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Does this mean Pat Buchanan supports Israel?

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 8:30 pm - January 9, 2009.
Filed under: Ex-Conservatives,Leftist Nutjobs

Buchanan Accuses Israel of ‘Blitzkrieg’.

It was the Nazis who developed and defined the idea of a “blitzkrieg.”  Pat Buchanan has apologized for the Nazis.  Is he thus comparing the Israelis favorably to those whom he believed nobly defended their fatherland against the diabolical Churchill?

Well, in my view, Pat Buchanan’s just another loony figure comparing Israel to the Nazis, even if he’s not as adverse to the latter as most who make the comparison.

UPDATE to revise my explanation:  Buchanan thinks the Nazis were justified in invading Poland with their “blitzkrieg.”  That suggests he believes a blitzkrieg to be a good thing.  Ergo, if he calls Israel’s operation a blitzkrieg, he thinks their operation is justified.

I guess that means he supports it.  That doesn’t make him any less of a crackpot.  And the Israeli operation is anything but a blitzkrieg.  But, then again, Buchanan does have a problem with world history.

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  1. Gee, aren’t you glad adDave doesn’t stoop to name-calling and mass-generalizations of people like he’s always accusing NDT of doing.

    And what’s funny is that adDave, by his own definitions, is a bigot and a racist, since he’s complained here about an incompetent minority individual in his workplace and how that person isn’t fired because of their minority status.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 11, 2009 @ 7:26 pm - January 11, 2009

  2. (I acknowledge that arguing with a brainwashed obamamoonie like gillie is a waste of time, but the peeks into the leftist alternative reality are fascinating, in the same way a true-crime book about a serial killer is fascinating.)

    Comment by V the K — January 11, 2009 @ 7:27 pm - January 11, 2009

  3. Never mind that harsh interrogation is done to save lives, a far cry from the senseless brutality of real torture.

    This touches on an important point: Context does matter. Or purpose, if you prefer. Show me a doctor who does emergency field work to save a person from gangrene or flesh-eating bacteria, and I’ll show you someone who inflicts massive pain and disfiguring injury, *sometimes even without the patient’s consent*. But it isn’t torture, because it’s for a good purpose. And we can know that it really is for a good purpose, if and because it is *no more than necessary*. Show me a doctor who inflicts more pain or injury than is necessary to protect life, and then I’ll show you a torturer.

    Real torture should be defined as something roughly like: the intentional infliction of pain or injury that is *unnecessary* to achieving a moral aim.

    In the case of terrorists, the moral aim is to save (say) 10,000 people’s lives, rather than (say) the patient’s own life. It’s still a moral aim. If you can show that the CIA did *more than was necessary* to get KSM to spill the beans about his many horrific plots, then and only then, they would be torturers.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 11, 2009 @ 7:54 pm - January 11, 2009

  4. As well as hating women who have been raped, qweers who have been bashed, racial minorities who have faced bigotry and foreigners, period.

    It’s fun when ADD shows his true colors as a raving, senseless hater.

    ADD, sorry to disappoint you, but you won’t find any of those things you wildly listed from me or anyone I associate with on this blog. (Unless, of course, you’re projecting again and had yourself in mind 😉 )

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 11, 2009 @ 7:59 pm - January 11, 2009

  5. As for how techniques like keeping the AC too low, sleep deprivation, etc., square with my definition:

    – They aren’t injuries.
    – They are definitely uncomfortable, which is why they work. But discomfort is not pain (unless you’re a pampered Western leftist).
    – They very definitely achieved a moral purpose – the saving of tens of thousands of lives – and, other than mistakes which were and are *against policy*, were apparently done carefully and with a strong consciousness of stopping as soon as the lives were duly saved.

    As I’ve said before: I don’t deny that our CIA interrogators, military people, etc., make some mistakes. I deny that the mistakes are their/our policy. I deny, correctly, that torture is our policy. I acknowledge and affirm that America generally investigates and punishes the mistakes. Saddam didn’t. al Qaeda doesn’t. The Nazis and imperial Japanese didn’t. What the latter did, was/is real torture.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 11, 2009 @ 8:18 pm - January 11, 2009

  6. #55 -geez
    Its not “uncomfortable” its torture. And many of the people were innocent. Further you fail to deal with the fact that these techniques can drive people insane. That is not temporary.

    Comment by gillie — January 11, 2009 @ 8:22 pm - January 11, 2009

  7. #53 most cases are fishing

    not life or death.

    Comment by gillie — January 11, 2009 @ 8:23 pm - January 11, 2009

  8. #48 John McCain suffered under the VC.

    He calls our actions torture

    Comment by gillie — January 11, 2009 @ 8:24 pm - January 11, 2009

  9. #47
    some at gitmo are bad
    many are not

    what’s your point?

    Comment by gillie — January 11, 2009 @ 8:24 pm - January 11, 2009

  10. WAR IS PEACE
    FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
    IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

    ROFL 🙂 Oh please, gillie, that is YOU. YOU are the one who uses the word “torture” to describe any treatment of terrorists you don’t like. You are the moral fraud here. You trivialize real victims of real torture. You don’t care one whit, gillie, about real victims of real torture.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 11, 2009 @ 8:30 pm - January 11, 2009

  11. no not me

    But a Bi partison report by the Senate
    (Signed by 12 repubs)
    John McCain

    and the world

    Comment by gillie — January 11, 2009 @ 8:46 pm - January 11, 2009

  12. Notice how leftist gillie refuses, flat-out REFUSES, to say that John McCain was tortured by the Viet Cong.

    What that makes clear is that gillie has two separate sets of standards for what constitutes torture. Turning down the air conditioner is torture to the Democrat Party, but what was done to John McCain was not.

    Again, it’s not actions that constitute torture to gillie; it’s who performs them. That’s why gillie and his Democrat Party endorse and support regimes like Saddam Hussein’s and the Viet Cong’s, but scream bloody murder about anything that the United States does.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 11, 2009 @ 8:46 pm - January 11, 2009

  13. Is McCain “trivializing” himself?

    yes or no

    Comment by gillie — January 11, 2009 @ 8:47 pm - January 11, 2009

  14. 62
    what the heck are you talking about?

    Comment by gillie — January 11, 2009 @ 8:48 pm - January 11, 2009

  15. and the world

    The world denied that what Saddam Hussein was doing was torture, just like the Democrat Party.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 11, 2009 @ 8:48 pm - January 11, 2009

  16. what the heck are you talking about?

    Your refusal to say that John McCain was tortured by the Viet Cong.

    That’s because you would then have to admit that the Democrat Party, such as John Kerry and Jane Fonda, supported and endorsed torture of American troops.

    Just as you refuse to admit that Saddam Hussein tortured — mainly because you would then have to admit that the Democrat Party and “the world”, which opposed Saddam’s removal or punishment, has no problem whatsoever with torture.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 11, 2009 @ 8:51 pm - January 11, 2009

  17. One wonders if gillie thinks it was “torture” to the people who leaped to their death from the WTC, or were burned to death, or suffocated, or crushed by hundreds of thousands of tons of debris, or were stabbed/had their throats cut on the planes.

    Too bad gillie is more interested in protecting the people whose stated goal it is to do that to more Americans than the American people themselves.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 11, 2009 @ 8:55 pm - January 11, 2009

  18. NDT
    It looks like you also think torture is a bad thing.
    Me too.
    We agree.
    And it looks like we agree our coutry tortures innocents.
    So
    Let’s try and hold Rummy and Bush accountable.

    Can we agree to that?
    Let’s do it together. I am so glad you finially are becoming a little more mentally mature.

    Comment by gillie — January 11, 2009 @ 9:33 pm - January 11, 2009

  19. You still don’t get it, gillie.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 11, 2009 @ 11:28 pm - January 11, 2009

  20. Its your denial and refusal to accept that any republican president can do anything wrong that allowed it to happen.

    Now you’re just projecting your lord BJ = spank bank material mentality onto us.

    So you say that induced hypotherma is not torture?

    So when do we put gaia on trial?

    We took people off the street who might have said once “I know Bin Ladin” and tortured them.

    Like who?

    We took farmers who were at the wrong place and the wrong time and tortured them.

    Like who?

    MOST were innocent.

    As determined by who?

    MOST were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Like who?

    Also, can you explain why liberals in congress are backpedalling so fiercely on the “torture” issue?

    So
    Let’s try and hold Rummy and Bush accountable.

    Can we agree to that?

    So let’s try and hold lord BJ, Janet Reno, Jimmuh etc. accountable.

    Say, isn’t shooting up and burning down one’s church around them “torture”? Or is that just how liberals enforce the “separation of church and state”.

    Please quit trying to insult us, gillie. The left has long standing love affairs with the world’s greatest torturers. Therefore, you’re full of shit and you can take your moral equivalency game and shove it sideways.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 12, 2009 @ 1:24 am - January 12, 2009

  21. gillie, I’d prefer to hold you accountable for your various moral frauds. You know… like your making sh*t up. Or your not giving a flying crap about real victims of real torture, you America-hating phony.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 12, 2009 @ 1:47 am - January 12, 2009

  22. 12 Republicans out of how many? I’m supposed to be impressed….why?

    And we’re supposed to believe the same folks who tell us that insignificant amounts of lead in toys from China is bad, but we should be forced to buy mercury filled lightbulbs from China?

    We’re supposed to believe the same folks who piss and moan about “spying on Americans®”, but keep Baghdad Jim McDermott employed?

    We’re supposed to believe the same folks who gave us the Valerie Wilson fraud?

    We’re supposed to believe the same folks who covered up their involvement in Enron, Fan/Fred, Abramoff etc.?

    We’re supposed to believe the same folks who promissed to improve our airline/airport security but gave up on it in exchange for a half mil donation to the DNC?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 12, 2009 @ 4:19 am - January 12, 2009

  23. We’re supposed to believe the same folks who gave us the Valerie Wilson fraud?

    We’re supposed to believe the same folks who covered up their involvement in Enron, Fan/Fred, Abramoff etc.?

    Exactly. These folks are frauds, including gillie.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 12, 2009 @ 10:54 am - January 12, 2009

  24. 71 what did I make up?

    72 ….?…. so you are just deliberting keeping your head in the sand?

    70 Murat Kurnaz, Khaled El-Masri, Maher Arar (technically done by Syria)
    I could go on but I don’t have time

    Comment by gillie — January 12, 2009 @ 11:06 am - January 12, 2009

  25. what did I make up?

    Here, I’ll remind you. This isn’t an exhaustive list of your lies, but a down payment:

    We took people off the street who might have said once “I know Bin Ladin” and tortured them. We took farmers who were at the wrong place and the wrong time and tortured them.

    gillie, get help. You are really sick.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 12, 2009 @ 11:14 am - January 12, 2009

  26. Huh?
    “temporary discomfort”

    Yes, Gillie, that’s what you call it when you cause no pain and no damage and it only lasts a short while. Its temporary, and its uncomfortable.

    Thats called accuracy in labeling, unlike the Democrat party who calls taking away workers right to a secret ballot “the employee freedom of choice act” and calls regulations restricting the speech of only broadcasters that disagree with them the “fairness doctrine”.

    WAR IS PEACE
    FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
    IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

    You really are mentally retarded arent you. Oh! its got the word war in it! therefore it represents Republicans!

    Republicans have NEVER said war is peace, idiot. We say war is war and its hell and its unfortunately sometimes necessary in an evil world. We do believe, as has been proven by history, that the way to keep ourselves at peace is by having the biggest, strongest military on the planet. But there is a huge difference between “war is peace” and “peace through strength” that is apparently too nuanced for a mental midget such as yourself to understand.

    DEMOCRATS, on the other hand, are the ones who are CURRENTLY telling Americans that capitalism, the name given economic freedom by Karl Marx, doesn’t work, that they are slaves to corporations, that taking more power away from individuals and giving it to the government, aka slavery, is the only answer.

    And it is LIBERALS who over and over and over again insist that enlightenment comes from prohibiting their ideas from being challenged. The fairness doctrine which targets only conservative radio, preventing any ideas that challenge global warming, Darwinism, laws against hate speech, campus speech codes, attempts to criminalize challenges to global warming, etc, etc. And it is liberals who are constantly shouting down, throwing things at, boycotting, and otherwise trying to destroy speech and ideas they dont like. In other words, it is Liberals who advocate that ignorance is strength.

    And while we’re on the topic of Orwell, what on Earth do you think “hate crimes” and “hate speech” ARE? They are thought crimes!

    You are more of a blithering idiot than I thought if you think Orwell was warning against anybody but people like YOU who advocate giving the government more power over the individual.

    Comment by American Elephant — January 12, 2009 @ 11:27 am - January 12, 2009

  27. And AE most of the people we tortured were just people in the wrong place in the wrong time.
    Not terrorists. No ticking bomb.
    Just torture.

    I cant figure out if youre a liar or an idiot. Even your Messiah, Obama, disagrees with you as I showed above. But by all means, please document their names and locations and conditions of their false arrests. I can wait.

    Comment by American Elephant — January 12, 2009 @ 11:58 am - January 12, 2009

  28. I cant figure out if you’re a liar or an idiot.

    Can’t it be both?

    Comment by V the K — January 12, 2009 @ 12:03 pm - January 12, 2009

  29. For proof that republicans live in a cocoon please read comment #75

    Comment by gillie — January 12, 2009 @ 6:04 pm - January 12, 2009

  30. #76 “Republicans have NEVER said war is peace, idiot.”
    You are right, republicans never said that. But please, let me explain to you what I was doing. I was using a few lines from a famous book to highlight how folks on the right use innocuous words to describe a horrible chapter in American History. They use those words like “discomfort” and such words in the hopes they can believe it and thus keep their conscience clear.

    Sorry that went over your head, I didn’t mean for you to take it literally.

    Comment by gillie — January 12, 2009 @ 6:10 pm - January 12, 2009

  31. #76 “Republicans have NEVER said war is peace, idiot.”
    You are right, republicans never said that. But please, let me explain to you what I was doing. I was using a few lines from a famous book to highlight how folks on the right use innocuous words to describe a horrible chapter in American History.

    Sorry that went over your head, I didn’t mean for you to take it literally.

    Comment by gillie — January 12, 2009 @ 6:10 pm - January 12, 2009

  32. #77 unfortunately I have little time to do that. I apologize, I really do. If time permitted I would gladly help you in your search. But names, dates and other info are quite easy to find. Of course, I did you give three names of people, have you looked up them?

    Break free of your Right Wing News Cocoon!

    Comment by gillie — January 12, 2009 @ 6:13 pm - January 12, 2009

  33. But please, let me explain to you what I was doing. I was using a few lines from a famous book to highlight how folks on the right use innocuous words to describe a horrible chapter in American History.

    No need, If you could read, you’d see I not only “got” but already eviscerated your asinine non-point up above:

    Yes, Gillie, that’s what you call it when you cause no pain and no damage and it only lasts a short while. Its temporary, and its uncomfortable.

    Thats called accuracy in labeling, unlike the Democrat party who calls taking away workers right to a secret ballot “the employee freedom of choice act” and calls regulations restricting the speech of only broadcasters that disagree with them the “fairness doctrine”.

    You see, its not Orwellian to call something what it is, Gillie. Its Orwellian to insist things are what they are not. Like pretending red marker ink is torture.

    Of course, I did you give three names of people, have you looked up them?

    Yes, a whopping THREE people, the only evidence of any unpleasant treatment let alone harsh interrogation or torture is …. their testimony! No witnesses, no evidence. In fact the only evidence in existence that even pertains to the case is the al Qaeda training manual which instructs them all to make false claims of torture!

    But of your three examples, one was detained by Canada, which you apparently don’t know is not part of the United States, one’s status was reviewed several times and classified as an enemy combatant each time, and only one was improperly detained by the US and the only evidence of any mistreatment is his say so.

    El-Masri alleges that they beat him, stripped him naked, drugged him, and gave him an enema.

    Funny, isnt that exactly what Andrew Sullivan was advertising for on bareback.com?

    Comment by American Elephant — January 12, 2009 @ 8:54 pm - January 12, 2009

  34. I cant figure out if you’re a liar or an idiot.

    I think you could have a more intelligent conversation with that bear hugger in that Discovery Chanel documentary a few years back. I think that clown fed himself and his “girlfriend” to the bears and it wouldn’t surprise me if gillie did something similar.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 13, 2009 @ 12:33 am - January 13, 2009

  35. El-Masri means “The Egyptian”. He sounds like an international fighter – i.e., al Qaeda – who of course would make sh*t up. (not unlike gillie 😉 )

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 13, 2009 @ 12:46 am - January 13, 2009

  36. No, he doesn’t support it–I think you know, but it didn’t sound much like sarcasm–he’s just like Ahmadinajsdldssdfoosdlksdlnsdsdncsoopsdpospewew in that he doesn’t hold up his own standards when it comes to genocide. Or like the Democrats when it comes to race.

    Comment by Mitchell Blatt — January 13, 2009 @ 12:49 am - January 13, 2009

  37. Say gillie, when you get some time from collecting food stamps to buy meth, could you explain to me where it’s written that the guests at Club Gitmo have to be charged with anything.

    Furthermore, when Gitmo starts looking like this, this, this, this, this, or even this, please let me know.

    Before that, though, I’m sure the liberal left will repudiate murderous bastards like “Uncle Joe” Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Guevara, Castro, Chavez etc. right? No doubt you will castigate the liberal left for allowing the deaths of thousands in SE Asia just so they could advance their power grab?

    Not to mention stripping Gen. Ashley Wilkes of his star he earned playing pocket pool while Rwandans died.

    When you’re ready to do all that, get back to us. Otherwise, you just look like a bleeding gash.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 13, 2009 @ 5:21 am - January 13, 2009

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