Furthermore, when Gitmo starts looking like this, this, this, this, this, or even this, please let me know.

Before that, though, I’m sure the liberal left will repudiate murderous bastards like “Uncle Joe” Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Guevara, Castro, Chavez etc. right? No doubt you will castigate the liberal left for allowing the deaths of thousands in SE Asia just so they could advance their power grab?

Not to mention stripping Gen. Ashley Wilkes of his star he earned playing pocket pool while Rwandans died.

When you’re ready to do all that, get back to us. Otherwise, you just look like a bleeding gash.

I cant figure out if you’re a liar or an idiot.

I think you could have a more intelligent conversation with that bear hugger in that Discovery Chanel documentary a few years back. I think that clown fed himself and his “girlfriend” to the bears and it wouldn’t surprise me if gillie did something similar.

But please, let me explain to you what I was doing. I was using a few lines from a famous book to highlight how folks on the right use innocuous words to describe a horrible chapter in American History.

No need, If you could read, you’d see I not only “got” but already eviscerated your asinine non-point up above:

Yes, Gillie, that’s what you call it when you cause no pain and no damage and it only lasts a short while. Its temporary, and its uncomfortable.

Thats called accuracy in labeling, unlike the Democrat party who calls taking away workers right to a secret ballot “the employee freedom of choice act” and calls regulations restricting the speech of only broadcasters that disagree with them the “fairness doctrine”.

You see, its not Orwellian to call something what it is, Gillie. Its Orwellian to insist things are what they are not. Like pretending red marker ink is torture.

Of course, I did you give three names of people, have you looked up them?

Yes, a whopping THREE people, the only evidence of any unpleasant treatment let alone harsh interrogation or torture is …. their testimony! No witnesses, no evidence. In fact the only evidence in existence that even pertains to the case is the al Qaeda training manual which instructs them all to make false claims of torture!

But of your three examples, one was detained by Canada, which you apparently don’t know is not part of the United States, one’s status was reviewed several times and classified as an enemy combatant each time, and only one was improperly detained by the US and the only evidence of any mistreatment is his say so.

El-Masri alleges that they beat him, stripped him naked, drugged him, and gave him an enema.

Funny, isnt that exactly what Andrew Sullivan was advertising for on bareback.com?

Break free of your Right Wing News Cocoon!

Sorry that went over your head, I didn’t mean for you to take it literally.

Sorry that went over your head, I didn’t mean for you to take it literally.

Can’t it be both?

And AE most of the people we tortured were just people in the wrong place in the wrong time.
Not terrorists. No ticking bomb.
Just torture.

I cant figure out if youre a liar or an idiot. Even your Messiah, Obama, disagrees with you as I showed above. But by all means, please document their names and locations and conditions of their false arrests. I can wait.

Huh?
“temporary discomfort”

Yes, Gillie, that’s what you call it when you cause no pain and no damage and it only lasts a short while. Its temporary, and its uncomfortable.

Thats called accuracy in labeling, unlike the Democrat party who calls taking away workers right to a secret ballot “the employee freedom of choice act” and calls regulations restricting the speech of only broadcasters that disagree with them the “fairness doctrine”.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

You really are mentally retarded arent you. Oh! its got the word war in it! therefore it represents Republicans!

Republicans have NEVER said war is peace, idiot. We say war is war and its hell and its unfortunately sometimes necessary in an evil world. We do believe, as has been proven by history, that the way to keep ourselves at peace is by having the biggest, strongest military on the planet. But there is a huge difference between “war is peace” and “peace through strength” that is apparently too nuanced for a mental midget such as yourself to understand.

DEMOCRATS, on the other hand, are the ones who are CURRENTLY telling Americans that capitalism, the name given economic freedom by Karl Marx, doesn’t work, that they are slaves to corporations, that taking more power away from individuals and giving it to the government, aka slavery, is the only answer.

And it is LIBERALS who over and over and over again insist that enlightenment comes from prohibiting their ideas from being challenged. The fairness doctrine which targets only conservative radio, preventing any ideas that challenge global warming, Darwinism, laws against hate speech, campus speech codes, attempts to criminalize challenges to global warming, etc, etc. And it is liberals who are constantly shouting down, throwing things at, boycotting, and otherwise trying to destroy speech and ideas they dont like. In other words, it is Liberals who advocate that ignorance is strength.

And while we’re on the topic of Orwell, what on Earth do you think “hate crimes” and “hate speech” ARE? They are thought crimes!

You are more of a blithering idiot than I thought if you think Orwell was warning against anybody but people like YOU who advocate giving the government more power over the individual.

what did I make up?

Here, I’ll remind you. This isn’t an exhaustive list of your lies, but a down payment:

We took people off the street who might have said once “I know Bin Ladin” and tortured them. We took farmers who were at the wrong place and the wrong time and tortured them.

gillie, get help. You are really sick.

72 ….?…. so you are just deliberting keeping your head in the sand?

70 Murat Kurnaz, Khaled El-Masri, Maher Arar (technically done by Syria)
I could go on but I don’t have time

We’re supposed to believe the same folks who gave us the Valerie Wilson fraud?

We’re supposed to believe the same folks who covered up their involvement in Enron, Fan/Fred, Abramoff etc.?

Exactly. These folks are frauds, including gillie.

And we’re supposed to believe the same folks who tell us that insignificant amounts of lead in toys from China is bad, but we should be forced to buy mercury filled lightbulbs from China?

We’re supposed to believe the same folks who piss and moan about “spying on Americans®”, but keep Baghdad Jim McDermott employed?

We’re supposed to believe the same folks who gave us the Valerie Wilson fraud?

We’re supposed to believe the same folks who covered up their involvement in Enron, Fan/Fred, Abramoff etc.?

We’re supposed to believe the same folks who promissed to improve our airline/airport security but gave up on it in exchange for a half mil donation to the DNC?

Its your denial and refusal to accept that any republican president can do anything wrong that allowed it to happen.

Now you’re just projecting your lord BJ = spank bank material mentality onto us.

So you say that induced hypotherma is not torture?

So when do we put gaia on trial?

We took people off the street who might have said once “I know Bin Ladin” and tortured them.

Like who?

We took farmers who were at the wrong place and the wrong time and tortured them.

Like who?

MOST were innocent.

As determined by who?

MOST were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Like who?

Also, can you explain why liberals in congress are backpedalling so fiercely on the “torture” issue?

So
Let’s try and hold Rummy and Bush accountable.

Can we agree to that?

So let’s try and hold lord BJ, Janet Reno, Jimmuh etc. accountable.

Say, isn’t shooting up and burning down one’s church around them “torture”? Or is that just how liberals enforce the “separation of church and state”.

Please quit trying to insult us, gillie. The left has long standing love affairs with the world’s greatest torturers. Therefore, you’re full of shit and you can take your moral equivalency game and shove it sideways.

Can we agree to that?
Let’s do it together. I am so glad you finially are becoming a little more mentally mature.