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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/02/02/for-a-republican-an-apology-wouldnt-be-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-366046</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œMake no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. â€ Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.

Facts are a b!tch, aren&#039;t they, Tommy boy?

What goes around comes around.  And it couldn&#039;t have happened to a more appropriate libtard.

GayPatriot - doing the work the MSM used to do.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œMake no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. â€ Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.</p>
<p>Facts are a b!tch, aren&#8217;t they, Tommy boy?</p>
<p>What goes around comes around.  And it couldn&#8217;t have happened to a more appropriate libtard.</p>
<p>GayPatriot &#8211; doing the work the MSM used to do.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heliotrope has added good PS&#039;s to my comment.  There&#039;s no guestion that Congress is responsible for much of the waste in the Pentagon budget.  That&#039;s why smart and successful defense contractors make sure parts for a new weapons system (whether it works or not, whether it&#039;s needed or not) are manufactured in as many congressional districts as possible.  I can&#039;t remember the program but not too long ago I read of one that has companies involved located in all 50 states.  The military doesn&#039;t want the program but can&#039;t get rid of it in face of the support it has among Senators and Representatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heliotrope has added good PS&#8217;s to my comment.  There&#8217;s no guestion that Congress is responsible for much of the waste in the Pentagon budget.  That&#8217;s why smart and successful defense contractors make sure parts for a new weapons system (whether it works or not, whether it&#8217;s needed or not) are manufactured in as many congressional districts as possible.  I can&#8217;t remember the program but not too long ago I read of one that has companies involved located in all 50 states.  The military doesn&#8217;t want the program but can&#8217;t get rid of it in face of the support it has among Senators and Representatives.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The military, like big pharmaceuticals, must spend huge money on R and D. That will necessarily include a &quot;system&quot; from time to time that is outdated before it can be deployed or takes on a constituency of support for a program that is going nowhere. However, like the space program, military R and D spins off a lot of data that is of great value in other R and D areas. A bum military program is not all useless &quot;sunk cost&quot; in economics terms.

The military-industrial complex of Eisenhower&#039;s meaning was an iron triangle which would have been better named the military-industrial-Congressional district triangle. But even then Eisenhower&#039;s warning does not account for Jack Murtha.

Murtha has robbed the defense budget for his district. This is from the Wall Street Journal:&lt;blockquote&gt;One beneficiary is New Jersey-based DRS Technologies Inc., a multibillion-dollar maker of military electronics. The company entered Mr. Murtha&#039;s district a decade ago when it bought a small cable assembler. Since then, the congressman has helped fund nearly $400 million in contracts for the local DRS unit, building data-display terminals installed in Navy destroyers and submarines.

The Pentagon didn&#039;t ask for many of these contracts in its annual budget requests. Mr. Murtha assured the work would be done in his district by earmarking part of the program to DRS.

Paired with prime contractor Lockheed Martin Corp., the DRS unit helped build more than 4,000 display terminals in the past decade, some costing as much as $240,000 each. A former Murtha staffer, Paul Magliocchetti, helped get the funding through Mr. Murtha&#039;s committee. He was paid $3.2 million by DRS over the period for his lobbying efforts, federal records show. Since 1989, Mr. Magliocchetti and executives of Lockheed and DRS have given more than $377,000 to Murtha campaign committees.

Mr. Magliocchetti, who has built a lobbying business winning Murtha earmarks for dozens of companies, won&#039;t discuss his work. &quot;No comment,&quot; he says. &quot;I&#039;m just a former staffer.&quot; A spokesman for DRS, Richard Goldberg, also wouldn&#039;t comment on Mr. Murtha. &quot;We have a world-class manufacturing facility in Johnstown, and a skilled, reliable work force,&quot; he said. A Murtha spokesman says the program has saved money for the Navy by using commercial, off-the-shelf components.

Military officers and agency officials sometimes gripe about congressional orders to spend money on projects they didn&#039;t ask for. But the Pentagon tends to go along with Congress to facilitate earmarks, keeping lawmakers happy and ensuring political support for other military programs. T. Michael Mosely, the Air Force chief of staff and a featured guest at this summer&#039;s Murtha breakfast, shrugs off the issue. Congressional earmarks for local projects have been in the military budget &quot;for at least 200 years,&quot; he says.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Congressional oversight is often a sham. When you cut the military by 10% it is the common fool&#039;s assumption that the admirals will get smaller cars and the $600 dollar hammers will be canceled. But the fact is, that cutting the budget is no easier than base closings. There are political fingers in every nook and cranny of military spending.

Obama promised to keep lobbyists out and then appointed some of the biggest whales in the lobbyist tank. If (and I doubt he will do it) he cuts the military, it will be Congressional district by Congressional district. And the Murthas will try to grab the appropriation from some losing district rather than watch it disappear. Congress is made up of jackals and hyenas. They constantly circle the military budget. Why would they waste their time trying to feed off the little stuff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The military, like big pharmaceuticals, must spend huge money on R and D. That will necessarily include a &#8220;system&#8221; from time to time that is outdated before it can be deployed or takes on a constituency of support for a program that is going nowhere. However, like the space program, military R and D spins off a lot of data that is of great value in other R and D areas. A bum military program is not all useless &#8220;sunk cost&#8221; in economics terms.</p>
<p>The military-industrial complex of Eisenhower&#8217;s meaning was an iron triangle which would have been better named the military-industrial-Congressional district triangle. But even then Eisenhower&#8217;s warning does not account for Jack Murtha.</p>
<p>Murtha has robbed the defense budget for his district. This is from the Wall Street Journal:<br />
<blockquote>One beneficiary is New Jersey-based DRS Technologies Inc., a multibillion-dollar maker of military electronics. The company entered Mr. Murtha&#8217;s district a decade ago when it bought a small cable assembler. Since then, the congressman has helped fund nearly $400 million in contracts for the local DRS unit, building data-display terminals installed in Navy destroyers and submarines.</p>
<p>The Pentagon didn&#8217;t ask for many of these contracts in its annual budget requests. Mr. Murtha assured the work would be done in his district by earmarking part of the program to DRS.</p>
<p>Paired with prime contractor Lockheed Martin Corp., the DRS unit helped build more than 4,000 display terminals in the past decade, some costing as much as $240,000 each. A former Murtha staffer, Paul Magliocchetti, helped get the funding through Mr. Murtha&#8217;s committee. He was paid $3.2 million by DRS over the period for his lobbying efforts, federal records show. Since 1989, Mr. Magliocchetti and executives of Lockheed and DRS have given more than $377,000 to Murtha campaign committees.</p>
<p>Mr. Magliocchetti, who has built a lobbying business winning Murtha earmarks for dozens of companies, won&#8217;t discuss his work. &#8220;No comment,&#8221; he says. &#8220;I&#8217;m just a former staffer.&#8221; A spokesman for DRS, Richard Goldberg, also wouldn&#8217;t comment on Mr. Murtha. &#8220;We have a world-class manufacturing facility in Johnstown, and a skilled, reliable work force,&#8221; he said. A Murtha spokesman says the program has saved money for the Navy by using commercial, off-the-shelf components.</p>
<p>Military officers and agency officials sometimes gripe about congressional orders to spend money on projects they didn&#8217;t ask for. But the Pentagon tends to go along with Congress to facilitate earmarks, keeping lawmakers happy and ensuring political support for other military programs. T. Michael Mosely, the Air Force chief of staff and a featured guest at this summer&#8217;s Murtha breakfast, shrugs off the issue. Congressional earmarks for local projects have been in the military budget &#8220;for at least 200 years,&#8221; he says.</p></blockquote>
<p>Congressional oversight is often a sham. When you cut the military by 10% it is the common fool&#8217;s assumption that the admirals will get smaller cars and the $600 dollar hammers will be canceled. But the fact is, that cutting the budget is no easier than base closings. There are political fingers in every nook and cranny of military spending.</p>
<p>Obama promised to keep lobbyists out and then appointed some of the biggest whales in the lobbyist tank. If (and I doubt he will do it) he cuts the military, it will be Congressional district by Congressional district. And the Murthas will try to grab the appropriation from some losing district rather than watch it disappear. Congress is made up of jackals and hyenas. They constantly circle the military budget. Why would they waste their time trying to feed off the little stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: Not Always Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Always Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps heliotrope is thinking more along the lines of systems like the V-22 Osprey Aircraft which has wasted huge amounts of money over decades and still is less than it was advertised or some of the various projects the Army has been behind that have been costly and not panned out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps heliotrope is thinking more along the lines of systems like the V-22 Osprey Aircraft which has wasted huge amounts of money over decades and still is less than it was advertised or some of the various projects the Army has been behind that have been costly and not panned out.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, heliotrope, I hope &quot;weapons systems that are never going to work&quot; wasn&#039;t a crack at a anti-missile defense - which the American people deserve, since countries with missile programs like Russia and North Korea are still in the world, and which of late is impressively close to working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, heliotrope, I hope &#8220;weapons systems that are never going to work&#8221; wasn&#8217;t a crack at a anti-missile defense &#8211; which the American people deserve, since countries with missile programs like Russia and North Korea are still in the world, and which of late is impressively close to working.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Allen (#8) makes a compelling point about military spending and waste.

However, much of the waste is actually foisted on the military by members of Congress who grab Congressional district pork through military spending in exchange for other support of various defense projects. The Pentagon is fully staffed with folks who &quot;coordinate&quot; spending with members of Congress. Not long ago, the USN built a huge pier facility in Rhode Island. It is great for cruise ships and the likes, but the Navy no longer uses the port. How better to get urban upgrades than to get it budgeted as part of &quot;national security?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Allen (#8) makes a compelling point about military spending and waste.</p>
<p>However, much of the waste is actually foisted on the military by members of Congress who grab Congressional district pork through military spending in exchange for other support of various defense projects. The Pentagon is fully staffed with folks who &#8220;coordinate&#8221; spending with members of Congress. Not long ago, the USN built a huge pier facility in Rhode Island. It is great for cruise ships and the likes, but the Navy no longer uses the port. How better to get urban upgrades than to get it budgeted as part of &#8220;national security?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Dashle is so sorry for being a tax cheat why doesn&#039;t he ante up and pay 2 or 3x the PENALTY? Same with Rangel and all the other Democrat tax cheats appropriately called the Leona Helmsley Democrats!!!!! hehe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Dashle is so sorry for being a tax cheat why doesn&#8217;t he ante up and pay 2 or 3x the PENALTY? Same with Rangel and all the other Democrat tax cheats appropriately called the Leona Helmsley Democrats!!!!! hehe</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I know this is not the subject of your post, but I was out of town over the weekend and did not get to comment on your January 31 post regarding President Obama&#039;s request that the Pentagon reduce its FY 2010 budget request by 10 percent.

I was involved with the military for 25 years, am a life member in the Air Force Association and consider myself very pro-military.  

If the service secretaries, Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Joint Staff put aside service rivalries, took to heart Dwight Eisenhower&#039;s warning about the military-industrial complex and carefully and honestly took a sharp scapel to the Pentagon&#039;s budget, ten percent could be cut without any significant impact on our military&#039;s training, readiness and morale.

It would help a lot if a couple of the services stopped pouring billions into some weapons systems that are never going to work -- and if, miracle of miracles, they did work they&#039;d be useless fighting Islamic radicals who hide in caves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I know this is not the subject of your post, but I was out of town over the weekend and did not get to comment on your January 31 post regarding President Obama&#8217;s request that the Pentagon reduce its FY 2010 budget request by 10 percent.</p>
<p>I was involved with the military for 25 years, am a life member in the Air Force Association and consider myself very pro-military.  </p>
<p>If the service secretaries, Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Joint Staff put aside service rivalries, took to heart Dwight Eisenhower&#8217;s warning about the military-industrial complex and carefully and honestly took a sharp scapel to the Pentagon&#8217;s budget, ten percent could be cut without any significant impact on our military&#8217;s training, readiness and morale.</p>
<p>It would help a lot if a couple of the services stopped pouring billions into some weapons systems that are never going to work &#8212; and if, miracle of miracles, they did work they&#8217;d be useless fighting Islamic radicals who hide in caves.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; the change that we can believe in?

Meh.  Same ol&#039;, same ol&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is <em>this</em> the change that we can believe in?</p>
<p>Meh.  Same ol&#8217;, same ol&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John in Dublin Ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in Dublin Ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having worked in the financial industry my entire life, and having filed many personal and business taxes, I have a question that no one seems to have asked. When one underpays taxes, one is required to pay the taxes due, with interest and PENALTY. Why has Tom Daschle no been required to pay a penalty? He paid back taxes and interest. Who excused the penalty? Does anyone think the MSM is going to ask this question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked in the financial industry my entire life, and having filed many personal and business taxes, I have a question that no one seems to have asked. When one underpays taxes, one is required to pay the taxes due, with interest and PENALTY. Why has Tom Daschle no been required to pay a penalty? He paid back taxes and interest. Who excused the penalty? Does anyone think the MSM is going to ask this question?</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œMake no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;  Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>â€œMake no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. â€</p></blockquote>
<p>  Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. I feel like I&#039;m living in a _Star Wars_ movie.

[Yoda] You must... &lt;em&gt;*feeeeeeeelll*&lt;/em&gt; the Change and the Hope... between you.. the tree... Obama... the rock... yes... even Daschle.

[Obi-wan] This is a dangerous time for you.  You can feel the Change and the Hope... but you cannot control it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I feel like I&#8217;m living in a _Star Wars_ movie.</p>
<p>[Yoda] You must&#8230; <em>*feeeeeeeelll*</em> the Change and the Hope&#8230; between you.. the tree&#8230; Obama&#8230; the rock&#8230; yes&#8230; even Daschle.</p>
<p>[Obi-wan] This is a dangerous time for you.  You can feel the Change and the Hope&#8230; but you cannot control it.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heard Hannity say that NRO found a bit of Congressional history where Daschle called on the IRS to enforce the tax laws. I&#039;ll have to head over there and see if I can find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard Hannity say that NRO found a bit of Congressional history where Daschle called on the IRS to enforce the tax laws. I&#8217;ll have to head over there and see if I can find it.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Change!  Hope!  Change!  Hope!  Don&#039;t look at that man&#039;s taxes.  Look at the change they represent!   Don&#039;t look at how it&#039;s a change for the worse (since Bush would never have tried it).  Feel the hope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change!  Hope!  Change!  Hope!  Don&#8217;t look at that man&#8217;s taxes.  Look at the change they represent!   Don&#8217;t look at how it&#8217;s a change for the worse (since Bush would never have tried it).  Feel the hope!</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory of Yardale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory of Yardale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted a little &lt;a href=&quot;http://tehresistance.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/psa/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PSA&lt;/a&gt; on this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted a little <a href="http://tehresistance.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/psa/" rel="nofollow">PSA</a> on this topic.</p>
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