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Leftist Political Parties & Power

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 3:00 am - February 16, 2009.
Filed under: Liberals,Politics abroad

The concluding paragraphs of the AP article on the Venezuelan referendum to abolish term limits offered a telling insight into how leftist parties in Latin American countries handle political victory.  Instead of seeing their respective elections as a means to run the government for the particular term of office, they use them as beachheads to perpetual power (for themselves and their parties):

Chavez took office in 1999 and won support for a new constitution the same year that allowed the president to serve two six-year terms, barring him from the 2012 elections. Sunday’s vote was his second attempt to change that; voters rejected a broader referendum in December 2007.

Venezuela’s leftist allies in Latin America have followed the model. Ecuador pushed through a new constitution in September and Bolivia did so in January. Both loosened rules on presidential re-election. Nicaragua’s ruling Sandinistas also plan to propose an amendment that would let Daniel Ortega run for another consecutive term.

So, now Chavez can run for president for as long as he likes. Ortega, who has never won a majority of the popular vote in Nicaragua, seeks to facilitate his own hold on power.

It seems these demagogues are more interested in maintaining power than in maintaining constitutional democracies where leaders serve for a short period of time, then retire to live as citizens in the nation hopefully improved by the laws they enacted and policies effected.

UDPATE:  In the comments, Kevin Bliss notes something that the authors of the AP article left out, “Venezuela is in dire economic shape.”  Seems that’s something that happens pretty readily when leftists consolidate their power in Latin American nations.

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  1. Latin America has a long history of this type of “leadership” — narcissistic strongmen with a “dictator for life” mentality

    Comment by Mark Turner — February 16, 2009 @ 4:00 am - February 16, 2009

  2. Who doubts the liberal left, who consider the US Constitution nothing more than single-ply Charmin, will do the same?

    And you’ll be a RACIST, sexist, bigot homophobe to oppose it.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 16, 2009 @ 5:26 am - February 16, 2009

  3. Given that Democrats in the House are already spearheading a movement to repeal the 22nd Amendment so that His Holiness can be President-For-Life, I would say this effect isn’t limited to just Latin America.

    Comment by Vic — February 16, 2009 @ 8:25 am - February 16, 2009

  4. There was a good Op-ed on Venezuela and Chavez in Saturday’s Washington Post. I cited it in a blog posting on my weblog, What Should Be. It is worth a read. Venezuela is in dire economic shape and the refererdum yesterday could well end up being meaningless for Mr. Chavez. Here’s the link: http://www.whatshouldbe.com/blog1/?p=387

    Kevin Bliss
    Washington DC

    Comment by Kevin Bliss — February 16, 2009 @ 9:22 am - February 16, 2009

  5. Off-Topic: I see Chairman 0 has sent Hillary to Japan to warn North Korea not to cheat on its nuclear program. Yeah, right, because if there’s anyone who won’t put up with cheating, it’s Hillary.

    Comment by V the K — February 16, 2009 @ 9:24 am - February 16, 2009

  6. Lets see,

    American Democrats are preparing to nationalize health care (already have in large part), drastically increase the numbers of Americans working for and dependent on government, pass the biggest amnesty in our history to increase their voter base, politically manipulate the Census, prosecute the previous administration, and use the power of government to silence dissent.

    How exactly is it they differ from Hugo Chavez and the rest of the leftist thugs in Latin America?

    Comment by American Elephant — February 16, 2009 @ 9:44 am - February 16, 2009

  7. 2: That’s a pretty funny statement, considering what Bush & Cheney did with the constitution for 8 years. I seriously doubt this will go anywhere, much like the drive by Rohrbacher and Hatch to amend the constitution for the sole purpose of allowing Schwarzenegger.

    I read this bit of information on infowars.com and it reads like a hysterical rant. I also noticed that the first article after this one discusses the repeal of DOMA (with a nice little preface indicating the article isn’t “anti-gay”) yeah, right.

    The truth is, members of both parties have introduced, at various times, bills to repeal this amendment and they have always met with little or no support. #1 hits it on the head – South America has a long history of dictator wannabes who have used liberal causes to mask their true ambitions, not to mention others like Hitler, Mussolini, etc. Does this make them on the same scale as liberals? No. Making those are pretty much reserved for ultra/neo conservatives websites like this who work their hardest to equate liberal politics in this country with dictatorial regimes. Sorry folks, its not the same thing.

    [Um, Kevin, when did I equate liberal politics with dictatorial regimes? You, however, while leveling that accusation against us, seem to be equating Reppublican politicians with such governments. –Dan]

    Comment by Kevin — February 16, 2009 @ 9:45 am - February 16, 2009

  8. 2: That’s a pretty funny statement, considering what Bush & Cheney did with the constitution for 8 years. I seriously doubt this will go anywhere, much like the drive by Rohrbacher and Hatch to amend the constitution for the sole purpose of allowing Schwarzenegger.

    I read this bit of information on infowars.com and it reads like a hysterical rant. I also noticed that the first article after this one discusses the repeal of DOMA (with a nice little preface indicating the article isn’t “anti-gay”) yeah, right.

    The truth is, members of both parties have introduced, at various times, bills to repeal this amendment and they have always met with little or no support. #1 hits it on the head – South America has a long history of dictator wannabes who have used liberal causes to mask their true ambitions, not to mention others like Hitler, Mussolini, etc. Does this make them on the same scale as liberals? No. Making those are pretty much reserved for ultra/neo conservatives websites like this who work their hardest to equate liberal politics in this country with dictatorial regimes. Sorry folks, its not the same thing.

    Comment by Kevin — February 16, 2009 @ 9:45 am - February 16, 2009

  9. Kevin,

    Can you site examples of what ‘Bush & Cheney did with the constitution for 8 years’?

    Didn’t think so

    Comment by The Livewire — February 16, 2009 @ 9:58 am - February 16, 2009

  10. Has Kevin ever cited an example of Anything to back up his talking points? No.

    Comment by V the K — February 16, 2009 @ 10:12 am - February 16, 2009

  11. Better yet, can Kevin cite ANY instance of Obama UNdoing any of the “unconstitutional” power grabs of Bush and Cheney?

    So far all I’ve seen is Obama keeping in place everything the Bush administration did–except for Obama’s re-funding embryonic stem cell research, re-funding abortions abroad, and requiring that all construction funded with federal dollars employ only union labor at union wages, of course–all of which, by the way, are unconstitutional. But then, the far Left only worries about the Constitution in cases where American lives ARE protected, or when a Republican does anything.

    Obama lamented on PBS some time ago that the framers of the Constitution were lax in providing for redistribution of wealth. Duh! And don’t forget, Obama “taught” Constitutional Law; I’d love to have been in his class.

    Comment by polly — February 16, 2009 @ 10:14 am - February 16, 2009

  12. 10: I would say dismantling Gitmo is a pretty good start. Bush/Cheney & Co used their power to re-define just about everything in site (Torture became aggressive interrogation, just for one example).

    8: The 6th amendment was pretty much flung out the window, seeing as we’ve had people in Gitmo for years who’ve never had a trial, aren’t allowed access to witnesses or evidence against them, etc, etc. Their AMERICAN MILITARY legal counsels have come out speaking against this treatment (and, as a group, I don’t generally consider folks in the US Military to be a bunch of liberals).

    9: Yes. and in how many more posts are you going to devolve into name calling, as you usually do?

    Comment by Kevin — February 16, 2009 @ 10:40 am - February 16, 2009

  13. No one was ever tortured at Gitmo. However, Chairman 0 is continuing the policy of rendition of prisoners to countries that practice torture. Instead of the USA interrogating prisoners, Chairman 0 is just outsourcing it to countries that apply actual torture.

    Comment by V the K — February 16, 2009 @ 10:58 am - February 16, 2009

  14. Law abiding American citizens did not lose any Constitutional rights under the Bush administration. Under the Democrats, on the other hand, there is an assault on the First Amendment via the “Fairness Doctrine.” There is an assault on the Second Amendment via HR 45. The Census count is being taken away from the Commerce department and put under the control of white house political operatives. And that’s just during his first month in power.

    Comment by V the K — February 16, 2009 @ 11:04 am - February 16, 2009

  15. And that sixth amendment thing is bogus for reasons the filter refuses to let me explain. The Bush admin relied on interpretations of Constitutional law that had been established and followed in all prior wars and presidencies. FDR’s treatment of Japanese-Americans was far worse than anything Bush did, but its Constitutionality was never questioned. When the SCOTUS changed its mind and decided terrorists had Constitutional rights after all, the administration complied. If they were the dark evil regime of Kevin’s paranoid fantasies, they would not have done so.

    Comment by V the K — February 16, 2009 @ 11:07 am - February 16, 2009

  16. Take a good hard look at Venezuela. Every leftist’s fondest dream is to turn the US into a banana republic.

    Comment by rightwingprof — February 16, 2009 @ 11:19 am - February 16, 2009

  17. And we’re just figuring this out?! Jeezus. I’m sorry — I do appreciate this site and other fine conservative sites but where are the people and leaders who have studied history and know the timeworn sinister games of leftist ideology? Didn’t 50 years of fighting communism teach anybody anything? The Left must be giddy, not only at what they’ve just pulled off here and now but at how completely they’ve dissimulated themselves into the culture. And at the cluelessness, political illiteracy and timidity of our movement.

    Comment by rrpjr — February 16, 2009 @ 11:21 am - February 16, 2009

  18. Chavez´s vistory raises questions. He lost a similar referendum in December of 2007, 51% to 49%. Why did he win this time with 54%. Could the 32% abstention tip the balance in his favor and why did so many fail to vote. Globovision´s opinion poll showed an overwhelming number of people were opposed to the amendement.

    His victory has energized the left in Latin America to do the same and join his Boliviarian empire. The leftist President of Guatemala is in Havana looking for support. Lugo, of Paraguay has apologized to the Nicaraguans for former Presient Stroesser in allowing deposed Anastasio Samoza to live in exile in his country. Mel Zelaya in Honduras also wants to change the constitution to end term limits for himslf.

    What is really disturbing to me personally about Chavez winning is that he will now use his resources to buy the election on March 15th for the presidency of El Salvador for his communist minion, Mauricio Funes, whose campaign slogan is, ¨Hope and Change.¨ It´s bad enough I pay property tax to the communist mayor of my community. I don´t wnat to live in a communist country and I don´t want to live in a socialist USA. So what are my options? Board a tramp steamer and become the man without a country? Don´t think the phenomena of changing constitutions to end term limits is only in Latin America. It is happening in the U.S. with no more than four days into the new administration,
    Jay Sandoval, a Democrat Congressman from New York is drafting proposal for an amendment to repeal the Twenty Second Amendment, so that the U.S. will have the benefit of Barak Obama´s leadership for more than eight years.

    I am amazed by liberals like Kevin who have a soft spot in their heart for the prisioners at GITMO. How is those libs never saw the videos of Americans who were blindfolded and decapitated? They never had a trial neither legal counsel nor the opportunity to have evidence and witnesses to testify against them. The prisioners at GITMO are not deliquent lawbreakers who are citizens with rights. They are prisioners of war, and not even in the traditional sense of war. They don´t represent a nation but an idealogy. Therefore they are not even entitled to the protections afforded prisioners of war under the Geneva Convention.

    Comment by Roberto — February 16, 2009 @ 12:05 pm - February 16, 2009

  19. Ah, poor Kevin,

    Gitmo is not being disassembled. President Obama signed an EO to look into it being shut down. Strangely enough, that’s the previous administration’s plan, shut it down when it’s no longer needed.

    Torture? cite please? Best of all, this hasn’t changed. President Obama reserved the right to go all Jack Bauer on someone.

    6th ammendment doesn’t apply to foreign nationals. Though I take it Kevin agrees with me that just putting a bullet in the back of their head on the battlefield (per the Geneva conventions) would be much quicker.

    *yawn* so much bile, so little substance.

    Comment by The Livewire — February 16, 2009 @ 12:13 pm - February 16, 2009

  20. Number 7 appears to have never read history – liberalism, progressive-ism, leftism, socialism, fascism, communism are all fellow travelers – only the name changes – and have been forever. They are all forms of state control and domination and vary only in degree. All of them think the governing class knows best. Our current administration and Congress believes in the same shit as does Chavez. They just can’t get away with it yet. It will be interest how Chavez survives if oil stays low…

    As to Gitmo, non citizens traditionally do not have rights in other countries except by treaty (I suggest you try demanding your rights in, say, Saudi and see what) and those fighting out of uniform are not covered by any convention. Normally they can be shot out of hand. In neither case does the US Constitution apply to them. However, I do like how you ignore the fact Gitmo will not close for some time and then the prisoners are being transferred to another prison. One that dumps money and jobs into a Democrat’s district. Yeah, that’s different.

    Comment by Kevin — February 16, 2009 @ 12:18 pm - February 16, 2009

  21. ” Didn’t 50 years of fighting communism teach anybody anything?”

    Nope, cause all those other times we just didn’t do it right. Just like the President’s plan to spend tons of money (which wasn’t so different than Bush’s IMO) will work because all the other times in history where we (or Japan) tried it and it didn’t work, we just didn’t spend enough.
    The lesson to socialists is: when you see you are on the wrong road, the answer is to drive faster!

    Comment by plutosdad — February 16, 2009 @ 12:56 pm - February 16, 2009

  22. Dan, if you remember at our brunch on Saturday, I mentioned that I had worked for Sequoia Voting Systems until they relocated their headquaters to Denver. What we didn’t get into that relates to Venezuela, is the former ownership of Sequoia, the third largest manufacturer of voting machines in the US. They were acquired in 2005 by a company called Smartmatic, based in Caracas. Smartmatic has long been accused of being funded in their creation by Chavez. They now produce and control all of the voting equipment in Venezuela. Congress discovered this ownership and forced the divestiture of Sequoia in 2007. after Smartmatic had looted Sequoia through a scheme called transfer pricing. I will not go into all the details, but they managed to move millions of dollars off shore to avoid taxes. The principals of Smartmatic have very questionable ties to the Chavez government and cast the shadow of fraud on any election in Venezuela.

    Comment by John in Dublin Ca — February 16, 2009 @ 1:45 pm - February 16, 2009

  23. Chavez´s victory raises questions. Why did the referendum pass with 54% to 46% when a similar proposal was defeated 49% to 51% in December 2007? Did the abstention of 32% tip the outcome in favor of ¨si´.¨

    The overwhelming defeat of the opposition has energized leftist in other countries in Latin America who want to be part of the Boliviarian empire. The leftist president of Guatemala is in Havana condemning the U.S. boycott and wanting support from the Castros. Mel Zalaya in Honduras wants to amend his constitution to end term limits for himself. President Lugo of Paraguay has allied himself with Ortega and apologized to Nicaragua for former President Stroesser allowing deposed Anastasio Samoza to live in exile in Paraguay.

    What is disturbing to me is that Chavez will buy the election on March 15h for the presidency of El Salvador for his communist minion, Mauricio Funes, whose campaign slogan is, ¨Hope and Change.¨ It is bad enough that I pay my property tax to a communist mayor but I refuse to live in a communist country. My dilema is this that I don´t want to live in a socialist U.S.A. So what options are left for me? Board a tramp steamer and be a man without a country? Don´t think that ending presidential term limits is a phenomena in Latin American countries.
    Four days into the Obama Administration, Jay Sandoval, a Democrat Congressman from New York is drafting a proposal for an Amendment to repeal the Twenty Second Amendment so that Americans can have the benefit of Obama´s leadership beyond the eight years limited by the Constitution.

    I find it strange that liberals have a soft spot in their heart for the prisoners at GITMO. Didn´t they ever see the videos of Americans being blindfolded and decapitated? They never had the benefit of a trial and neither did they have legal counsel nor access to evidence or witnesses to testify against them. Those in GITMO are prisoners of war and not in the traditional sense. . Yet they don´t represent a nation but an ideology. They are guerillas and as such they are not entitled to the protections afforded by the Geneva Convention.

    Comment by Roberto — February 16, 2009 @ 1:47 pm - February 16, 2009

  24. OT: When are we bailing out California?

    Comment by Ignatius — February 16, 2009 @ 2:04 pm - February 16, 2009

  25. Democrats seem to be having scandals on a daily basis: NY Governor lavishes raises on cronies amid tax hikes and budget cuts. But, I’m sure it’s okay since he’s one of those people. You know, a Democrat.

    Comment by V the K — February 16, 2009 @ 2:28 pm - February 16, 2009

  26. Who gives a shit? Who says you have to have term limits? We’ve barely had term limits for a quarter of our nation’s history.

    Comment by Levi — February 16, 2009 @ 10:05 pm - February 16, 2009

  27. A long time ago, I used to hold the belief that our constitution shouldn’t hold to to non-citizens, I didn’t want to know what groups like the CIA were up to, etc, etc. But if our government can’t treat non-citizens with anything coming close to to what our constitution provides, then what can we expect it to do to citizens in the long run? In some ways, it’s similar to the old adage: Don’t judge a man by how he treats his equals but how he treats his servants (or inferiors, or the version of the quote you read).

    Look how we use excuses to treat something “so special” that rules and laws shouldn’t apply. This is the danger precedent conservatives have tried to use in inserting clauses into to bills to make them exempt from judicial review…pass laws that right off the bat don’t have to pass constitutional muster.

    22: I don’t have a soft spot for real criminals/prisoners of war. What I do have a soft spot for is people who are held in captivity by our government who are not given the opportunity to defend themselves and/or prove they might be innocent. Being held prisoner just because our government says so isn’t reason enough. The story of Murat Kurnaz is reason enough to question, scrutinize and determine which detainees are truly war criminals and which ones are simply there because a government official says they’re a criminal.

    Comment by Kevin — February 16, 2009 @ 10:26 pm - February 16, 2009

  28. But if our government can’t treat non-citizens with anything coming close to to what our constitution provides, then what can we expect it to do to citizens in the long run?

    You mean like Obama’s illegal-immigrant non-citizen aunt, who gets subsidized housing, free healthcare, and a cushy government job despite her being a criminal under a deportation order?

    Leftists like you, Kevin, are disgusting. You treat terrorists and crooks with more respect than you do law-abiding and hard-working US citizens, who you and your pathetic Obama Party minions constantly punish with more taxes that you yourself refuse to pay.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — February 17, 2009 @ 1:22 am - February 17, 2009

  29. NDT, if Kevin is half the masochist I think he is, he’s as tingly as Chris Matthew’s leg after the beatdown you just gave him.

    Comment by V the K — February 17, 2009 @ 8:00 am - February 17, 2009

  30. Leftists just don´t get it. Prisoners of war are not afforded rights under our Constitution. The war on terror is a different kind of war. The Americans and allies who were decapitated by the terrosists weren´t given any constitutional rights in Iraq. Who spoke out for those victims? Certainly no liberal voice condemned such violence against defensless prisoners. The silence from the Hate America group was saying, they deserved it. Even in WWII, the Japan didn´t always give prisoners the protections afforded by the Geneva Convention, like the Death March in the Philippines. I still have a vivid recollection of a picture of an American GI, stripped to the waist, kneeling, his hands tide behind him, and the Japanese soldier with a sword preparing to sever the head from the body. The followup picture showed the headless GI laying on the ground his head about a foot away.

    V the K is right in his analysis, leftist are masochists. Islamic radicals occupied a Church in Jerusalem for forty days. They tore our pages from Bibles and missals to use for toilet paper, cooked their meals on the altars.but the left was absolutely silent about it. Yet when a copy of a Quran or Koran was tossed in the toilet and they joined their anger to that of the prisoners. How awful are we Americans to lack respect for their holy book. Everytime a leftist comes out with their Hate America diatribe, doesn´t it want to make you vomit?

    Comment by Roberto — February 17, 2009 @ 10:23 am - February 17, 2009

  31. Wonder if the libtards like Kevvie would throw a hissy-fit if we started referring to the current corruptocrats in DC as Obama/Biden the way he throws around Bush/Cheney.

    After all, if he thinks GWB was a moron who had to be led by the nose by his VP, then the same must hold true for an inexperienced president with a loudmouthed partisan hack as his veep. At least GWB was a governor before he was president – with two terms’ worth of experience dealing with a legislative and executive branch.

    Then again, if I were Biden I would stay far, far away from Count Chocula the same way that Mondale kept away from Carter.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — February 17, 2009 @ 11:07 am - February 17, 2009

  32. “Venezuela is in dire economic shape.” Seems that’s something that happens pretty readily when leftists consolidate their power in Latin American nations.

    The same is the case in the USA. Wherever leftist oligarchs consolidate power, economic ruin follows. Look at Detroit. Look at California. Look at New Jersey.

    Comment by V the K — February 18, 2009 @ 8:52 am - February 18, 2009

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