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Obama’s War Doublespeak

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How DARE some stupid Senator challenge President Obama’s surge into Afghanistan!

“I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops is going to solve the violence there. In fact, I think it will do the reverse.”

“I think it is fair to say that the President has simply tried to gain another six months to continue on the same course that we’ve been on for several years now. It is a course that will not succeed. It is a course that is exacting an enormous toll on the American people and our troops.”

“We can send 15,000 more troops; 20,000 more troops; 30,000 more troops. I don’t know any expert on the region or any military officer that I’ve spoken to privately that believes that that is gonna make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground.”

Oh…..wait…… that was then-Senator Obama talking about the futility of the surge in Iraq.  Gee, what great judgment the Great and Powerful O has!

*sigh*

I guess Obamaspeak has a whole new set of rules that I don’t understand yet.  I went to publik skool.

-Bruce (GayPatriot)

Comments

  3. Bruce, I think it’s about time for Senator Debbie StupidCow to hand over to the WH her personal “Dangerously Incompetent” sign.

    http://www.widgetbox.com/network/politics/post/debbie-stabenow-dangerously-incompetent/426817

    For Obama to have railed against the surge initiative in Iraq and now propose to do the same for an even more-beleaguered war zone is duplicitous in the extreme.

    Kind of like telling the unions he’d smash NAFTA and then his first intern’l trip is to Canada to make nice-nice with the pro-NAFTA govt.

    Kind of like telling the Left we’d be out of Iraq in 6 months and then his promised first day in office is about signing cursory executive orders and extending the mission in Iraq to GWBush’s time table.

    Kind of like promising to break the partisan bickering in DC and then, with the first major legislation, dismissing GOP alternative plans because “we won” and Obama doesn’t have to compromise on his proposals.

    Kind of like campaigning on the notion that skyrocketing federal budget deficits are killing the American Dream and then passing the largest set of spending bills in American history.

    Dangerously Incompetent.

    I can’t help but wonder if Rove’s estimated 4 million plus couch potato, behavioral-GOPer, soc-cons who couldn’t stomach voting for McCain appreciate the demon they helped unleash and enabled by their stupid strategy of staying home on Election Day? Well, at least now they can have something to bitch endlessly about on talk radio.

  6. Wow, reading Obama’s speech and your rant, you’d almost think we were talking about two completely different countries, with different conditions, needs, and priorities that would respond differently to troop level increases.

    Oh wait.

    Are you guys so eager to follow the most radical of the anti-Bush left off the cliff of Anti-Obama syndrome that you are pretending troop movements into different countries can be treated the same way? Like these are countries in Risk or something where the only difference between them is the color on the map? Are you seriously advocating that opposing troop increases for circumstance set A in one country means one can never support troop increases for circumstance set B in another country and remain consistent? How is that grounded in reality?

  7. torrent, I can see how you can confused and befuddled. Obama made it clear that “the surge” in Iraq wouldn’t work, couldn’t work and the conditions there were so intractable that we’d just be marching more Americans to their deaths if we sent more troops in.

    Guess what? Obama did that for consumption within the Democrat Party primaries. He wanted those farLeft anti-war zealots to slap on their birkenstocks and help him win over Hillary. He didn’t have the interest of winning, American success, the soldiers’ safety or the viability of the mission and the future of Iraq in mind. It was “how can I use the surge to defeat my opponent”.

    Now, safely ensconced in the White House, he’s using a proven, tested battlefield strategy (a surge in troops) to regain control over Afghanistan. Only, the likelihood of success there is far less than it ever was in Iraq -where he poo-poo’ed the concept he now embraces.

    And you can’t follow that? That doesn’t strike you as a fundamental disconnect with his campaign promises and pledges? Or is that just being pragmatic?

    Kind of like telling the unions he’d bust NAFTA with a sledge hammer and then making his first international trip to make nicey-nice face with the NATFA-govt in Canada.

  10. “I don’t know any expert on the region or any military officer that I’ve spoken to privately that believes that that is gonna make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground.”

    This certainly means he needs new military advisors and “experts on the region”. I think it says quite a bit about the quality of his political circle that not one person he spoke to thought it could work. Under Bush such a statement would be proof of a dangerous ideological bias. Luckily that can’t be the case here.

    I feel so relieved.

  12. You cannot be this stupid but just in case:

    Iraq.

    Afghanistan.

    Do you notice that they use different letters to spell them?

    That’s because they’re different places!

    Do you know what different means?

    It’s an important word to understand, it means not the same.

    As in a cat is not a cow, they are different.

    Now I know what you’re thinking, they both have four legs, a tail and live on a farm! Why they must be the same animal!

    But no, they’re very different despite their similarities. For instance one is big and one is small., one is a pet one is for eating (does not apply in Korea) , we drink the milk from one of them but not the other and so on.

    So when Obama is talking about Iraq and when he’s talking about Afghanistan he is allowed to say different things because… can you guess?

    If you said “because they’re different!” then you are smarter than Bruce the Gay Patriot but that’s nothing to be proud of, there are brands of fast drying paint that can make the same claim.

    I thought you said you were going to quit blogging, you really should because I think if Obama has any successes it will drive you completely mad and let’s face it you’re hanging on to sanity with the last molecule of your middle fingernail so quit now. Take a rest at, hide from the news. If Obama goes south then come back, the smug joy you’d feel would probably invigorate and raise your IQ slightly.

    I mean you’ve always been dumb but Jebus, lately? If stupid were stretch-pants you’d be a Louisianan Wal-Mart.

  13. Yes Salvage,

    Iraq, Country with lots of supply routes, a cooridnated plan, a surge that was panned by (then senator) Obama even when it was working and after it worked and he’s never admitted that.

    Afghanistan country which we just turned over all the supply routes to our enemies because our President has shown to be a frakking moron in foreign policy, and now President Obama wants to throw 17K more troops in there because we ‘must do something’.

  14. “I can’t help but wonder if Rove’s estimated 4 million plus couch potato, behavioral-GOPer, soc-cons who couldn’t stomach voting for McCain appreciate the demon they helped unleash and enabled by their stupid strategy of staying home on Election Day?”

    This is as much their fault as it is the Obamunists’.

    No one ever accused social “conservatives” of being wise.

  15. So, The Livewire you don’t understand what “different” means, I get that but you should try and learn. Understanding words is important.

    And yes, Iraq, the Mission has been Accomplished again has it? How many times has that war been won now? I don’t think any war has had as many victories as Iraq has. I suspect there won’t be anymore as its not your Dear Leader’s war anymore.

    Of course the point you miss is that the war was all about WMD, I’m sure you howled about those from 2003-2006 so unless they’re found the invasion of Iraq can never be called a victory only a war crime.

  16. It’s pretty funny that salvage keeps rambling on that Obama’s critics don’t understand difference. It is Obama who is trying the same solution in Afghanistan that worked in Iraq (even though he was against it there).

    Perhaps salvage should get ahold of Obama and inform him they are different countries. Or perhaps Obama supporters should think before they type.

  17. #15: Salvage, I agree. Understanding words is important. When words or expressions intended to have very specific meanings are used sloppily and cavalierly, they lose their weight and power altogether. “War crimes” is a perfect example.

    And as for Iraq, I believe “mission accomplished” was used ONCE in relation to the toppling of Hussein’s regime (which was, incidentally, the primary objective of the mission). I don’t know if the expressions “mission accomplished” or “victory” were used on other occasions or how many times, but I can guarantee you that whatever the number is, it is but a tiny fraction when compared to the number of times liberal politicians used the expressions “defeat,” “unwinnable,” “quagmire,” “in cold blood,” and all of the “mongers” (war-, hate-, fear-, etc.) when referring to the efforts of US soldiers in the conflict.

  19. I’m not sure this criticism makes any sense. The two countries are not in the same situation, don’t face the same problems, and adding or taking away troops won’t have the same effect. No one who was for the surge in Iraq is or was required to support a surge in Afghanistan or vice-versa.

  20. #19 – “No one who was for the surge in Iraq is or was required to support a surge in Afghanistan or vice-versa.”

    So in other words, back in World War II it was okay to support a surge into Italy, but not Germany?

    Try again.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

  21. ah salvage salvage, did I use words that were too big for your brain? Sorry.

    Iraq wasn’t just about WMD, it was about, among other things, WMD, Migs and other gear that were FOUND in Iraq, in violation of the cease fire. Funny thing about cease fires, you break em you get your ass kicked. The rest was later found in Syria, by our allies when they bombed the hell out of it.

    Also we had allies around Iraq for logistics. We had allies around Afganistan too, but the current administration took care of that. In a month too, impressive. http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/02/obamas-war.html#comments

    Oh wait, that link might have too many big words.

    You want a difference? Afganistan, rapidly becoming a charlie foxtrot because of the missteps of the current adminsitration.

    Now unlike you, I understand that this is our war, has been since 1974, but I’m intent on us winning it.

  23. >Iraq wasn’t just about WMD, it was about, among other things, WMD,

    You contradict yourself in the very same sentence.

    You may be even stupider than Bruce the Gay Patriot.

    There were no WMD. None. So you’re saying the war was about the thing that never was. We are in agreement on that.

    >Migs and other gear that were FOUND in Iraq,

    Migs and other gear! FOUND! Wow! Outdated Soviet era fighters that the greenest American pilot could down from his bunk (maybe not McCain) and gear is why hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are dead? That’s why thousands of American solider have been killed and maimed? Migs and gear?

    How strange that Dear Leader Bush never mentioned these justifications. Perhaps he asked you to do it for him?

    What is this gear they FOUND! anyway?

    And breaking the cease fire? Again things not mentioned anywhere near as much as WMD.

    >in violation of the cease fire.

    That would be funny, you going up to a war widow and telling her and her children that their father was dead because Saddam painted a NATO fighter with a radar and had jet planes and gear.

    >The rest was later found in Syria, by our allies when they bombed the hell out of it.

    What?

    You are either an idiot or a liar because that simply isn’t true, but please, prove me wrong, show me the announcement from the Bush White House about the WMD found in Syria. You’d think Fox News would at least mention it.

    C’mon, show us a link otherwise you confirm you’re a stupid liar.

  24. poor poor salvage. Is English really your first language?

    Please see ‘just’ Please see Wilson’s actual FBI briefs which contradict the article he wrote in the NYT. Please see the intel that was never recanted by the Brits. Thank you for playing.

    MIGs? Well they were buried in the desert. My lil bro’ has some lovely photos of him standing on them. Again, see violation of cease fire. I really don’t have the time to look up the links to the sarin gas rockets, the centerfuges, etc.

    Please see the bombing by Israel.

    Please get a life.

  25. Livewire, your arguments are impressive. Buried MIGs have always been a formidable weapon of war. Submarines of the dirt is what they were called in Vietnam. Many a soldier was shot in the foot by one. Likewise, misinterpreting Wilson’s position is almost as good as knowing what his actual comments are. As long as you are just defending a position and don’t care about the truth, that is. And who cares if the Brits were just DEAD WRONG, what’s important is that they never admitted it.

    Lot of that going around, that being dead wrong but not admitting it stuff.

    It isn’t Salvage’s english that’s in question, it’s your logic that’s flawed.

    But keep up the condescension. Perhaps if you are rude enough no one will notice that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

  26. Nah wil, I’ll leave that to you.

    See there’s this amazing thing about equipment. It can be unburied and used. I know it’s a novel concept to you, hiding something for a rainy day.

    Now that i’m home again…

    Sarin, Mustard Gas found seperately in Iraq
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

    Sarin Gas bomb
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/

    Saddam and terrorists
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp

    Thank you for playing gentlemen. It’s been a lovely game with your lies and slander, your parting gifts include a trio of links and a year’s supply of Hope and Change.