The Oscars were almost entertaining. The show had some really powerful moments and some incredible glitches. Hugh Jackman was a great choice for a host, handsome, funny, good dancer.
It was cool seeing someone I met and know to be a nice guy win an Oscar. Dustin Lance Black who wrote the screenplay for Milk. Every time I see him at Outfest, he’s friendly to those he meets and gracious to the festival staff and volunteers. It’s nice to see nice guys get attention and honors.
Other observations:
Angelina Jolie‘s earrings looked like they were made of kryptonite.
Kate Winslet gave the best acceptance speech of the evening. She seemed truly gracious and moved by the award. While I might have voted for Jolie, I do believe Winslet has earned this honor –and not just for The Reader, for her whole body of work. And the Oscars were originally designed to honor a body of work.
Sean Penn gave the worst speech, unnecessarily politicizing the event. If he wanted to make the case for gay marriage, he would have done better not to attack its opponents and make a positive argument instead. When Penn reads someone else’s lines, he does a remarkable job. He’s not so good with his own. While I grant he delivered an Oscar-worthy performance in Milk, he did little to endear himself to most Americans who go to the movies.
And I wonder why on earth the organizers chose one of a hyperpartisan left-of-center host of a political show to present the documentary awards. The choice of Bill Maher does not reflect well on the Academy.
And what was up with the Memorial Tribute. In past years, once they start rolling the film, that occupies the entire screen. This year, they kept shifting the camera angle covering the screen on stage at the Hollywood theater. As a result, we often had difficulty reading the names of the late stars and even seeing the brief shot of their achievement.
I agree with you. I liked Sean Penn’s performance in “Milk” but he didn’t accomplish anything by attacking people who voted “yes” on Prop 8. Furthermore, you probably aren’t going to change any of those peoples’ minds by personally attacking them, if you want them to change their minds……..they have to see that despite the difference in our sexual orientation, we are more similar to straight Americans than the anti-gay people think.
But I did like what Dustin Lance Black said….he sounds like a good guy……I think I may have tried posting this quote on another post, but Dustin Black said this when accepting his Oscar for screenplay for “Milk”…….
“I think [Milk] would want me to say to all the gay and lesbian kids out there tonight … that you are beautiful, wonderful creatures of value, and that no matter what anyone tells you, God does love you and that very soon, I promise you, you will have equal rights, federally, across this great nation of ours.”
Amen.
If he wanted to make the case for gay marriage, he would have done better not to attack its opponents and make a positive argument instead.
Okay — what are you talking about? You expect gay marriage advocates to totally avoid attacking their opponents? How is that a sensible strategy? You’d really just advise someone arguing in favor of gay marriage to accentuate the positive and ignore completely the well-funded, well-oiled machine opponents, and you think that would work?
[Um, Levi, actually, yes, I do. Remember, the opponents are not running for office, but defending their notion of marriage and attacking an attempt to broaden its definition. Take issue with their ideas, not with them as advocates. Not just, that, in a forum like this one, Penn only had limited time. It’s telling that he used it not to promote but attack.
Think of it this way, you’re giving a short speech on an unrelated topic, but did want to promote gay marriage, that is, if you really wanted to advance the issue. How would you do that, in one sentence or two? –Dan]
So the fat chick from Titanic won. Whoopty-fucking-doo. I was actually pulling for Hillary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWaL1XnUPN0
OK. No, I was actually watching 31 Days of Oscar on TCM and finally got to see Sunset Blvd. all the way through.
Isn’t that the angle you team killing fucktards demand in the GWOT??? And anyway, please explain how attacking everyone is going to make them agree with you.
I smell jealousy and desperation. Stinks worse than the bullshit Chairman Obama shovels, and that’s pretty damn bad.
We seem to be in no danger of ever finding out. Liberals attack the supporters of traditional marriage because this is about nothing more than validation for them, and they have no idea what a positive argument for gay marriage would look like, and I think even they would recognize the silliness of their argument if they were to come right out and argue for what they really want….”VALIDATE ME!”
…although, the Oscars would have been the perfect place to say exactly that. “You LIKE me! You REALLY like me!”
Just watched Penn’s acceptance speech. Holy cow that is one stupid SOB! Was there even one coherent sentence in there? Come to think of it, has anyone ever heard the man utter a coherent sentence?
4: Only when written by someone else. (insert teleprompter joke here)
Anyone else remember his one man bucket brigade in NO?
The guy won an Academy Award for portraying (beautifully, I might add) the most important gay political figure of the 20th century. Also, in attacking protestors, Penn also challenged people to think and reflect about what a mistake it was for them to vote in favor or proposition 8. I notice one person here had to post 3 times in a row to denounce him and not once mention the importance of Milk himself. If you wonder why liberals view gay conservatives as self-loathing, then don’t look any further.
4: Yes, Penn is usually quite eloquent and can talk very well, even extemporaneously (unlike a certain former president). If you watch awards show, you might notice that sometimes people do that and are unprepared. His win was a huge surprise, since Mickey Rourke was winning awards left and right; clearly Penn (and much of the audience) was shocked that he won.
Can’t help but notice that the new spokesman for gay marriage is a wife beating divorcee.
Still waiting for that positive argument for gay marriage Kevin.
Penn makes Spicolli look intelligent.
And yes, Kevin, extemporaneously, Penn speaks ALMOST as eloquently as this retard. But unfortunately he is the current president, not former.
AE,
Watch your BP man. and don’t make me share my zoloft.
When Kevin gets you angry, you need to walk away from the PC and relax.
I do have to say that Dustin Lance Black was very moving in his speech:
When I was 13 years old, my beautiful mother and my father moved me from a conservative Mormon home in San Antonio, Texas to California and I heard the story of Harvey Milk. And it gave me hope. It gave me the hope to live my life, it gave me the hope to one day live my life openly as who I am and that maybe even I could fall in love and one day get married.
(He chokes up, audience begins to applaud.)
I want to thank my mom who has always loved me for who I am, even when there was pressure not to. But most of all, if Harvey had not been taken from us 30 years ago, I think he’d want me to say to all of the gay and lesbian kids out there tonight who have been told that they are less than by their churches or by the government or by their families that you are beautiful, wonderful creatures of value and that no matter what anyone tells you, God does love you and that very soon, I promise you, you will have equal rights, federally, across this great nation of ours. (Wild applause from the audience.) Thank you, thank you, and thank you God for giving us Harvey Milk.
Oh, don’t worry Live, I’m nowhere near angry. I love it when libs give me an excuse to mock them.
I wonder if anyone else feels like a gay actor should have been cast to play Harvey Milk.
Are there NO gay actors in Hollywood??…..hmmmmm they must all be on Broadway.
I recall outrage from the Vietnamese community when a Vietnamese actress was NOT chosen to play Kim in Miss Saigon….
Cuba Gooding Jr. eluded to the fact that Robert Downey played a “black face” actor…..this was NOT subtle in my opinion. I guess its ok since black actors played “white girls” in a similar comedy spoof.
But not a peep about a very serious film……
Just a thought.
I thought the show had some new, interesting ideas for presenting the awards, but for every innovation, there were 3-5 glitches, kinks or embarrassments that ultimately made the show as a whole a big hot mess. Hugh Jackman is just awesome in every way and the Academy would be wise to stick with him and continue to develop his role as a host, if he’s interested. His personality is a perfect blend of affable humility, humor, and confidence. The same confidence in Clooney comes off as arrogance, but with Jackman, it’s authentic and charming. Plus, Jackman’s bizarre and unapologetic comfort with the screaming musical theatre queen living inside of him is a unique, refreshing example of masculinity that cannot be duplicated.
The presentation of the acting awards with 5 previous winners coming on stage and speaking directly to each nominee was actually pretty cool, especially since the speeches were well-written and delivered by the presenters with sincerity. But, would someone please explain to me why the Academy seems so deeply committed to finding a format that will ensure that clips of the actors’ actual work are not shown. I don’t get it. I would think that the acting clips are indispensable, but it seems they are always the first to go in order to free up time to put…I dunno…Beyonce in a be-spangled red leotard for a 10-minute musical number that belongs at the Golden Nugget casino.
The “presentation” of the documentary film awards was, top to bottom, a pretentious abomination that should go down in Oscar history as one of the show’s greatest misfires. People should be unceremoniously fired for it. Documentary filmmaking is supposed to have a guerilla mystique associated with it, but that interminable montage featuring interviews with the directors was barely distinguishable from some slick, corporate ad campaign designed to sell a software company’s superior office e-solutions, or something. What was that?! And what was the deal with the female director that couldn’t get through one sound byte without the producers having to bleep out her use of the f-word (i.e., “documentary film making is a highly personal expression of the artist’s BLAH BLAH BLAH, …that is, if you don’t FU*K it up in the editing room…”)? Klassy. And Bill Maher? Pathetic. Not only did he express brazen contempt for his documentary not being nominated, he had to take yet another petty swipe at religion by recapping the thesis of his own un-nominated film because I suppose he realizes that no one had any interest in seeing it. You could actually hear the collective groan from the audience. Gross. He should be embarrassed and ashamed.
And finally, that train wreck of a musical number staged by the usually brilliant Baz Luhrmann– Sweet Jesus, what on Earth was going on there? My theory is that the producers, desperately concerned about the lack of star-power expected at the ceremony, panicked and decided to give Beyonce a reason to show up and bring her demographic of fans with her. The costumes, the musical arrangement of the medley, the choreography–EVERYTHING about it was cringe-worthy. And I could be mistaken but I don’t think “At Last” was ever featured in a broadway musical or Hollywood adaptation thereof. Whether it was a lefty reference to The One’s ascension to the Presidency, or a slap at Etta James for daring to criticize Beyonce for singing it at the inaugural celebration, either way it made no sense at all. It was like a parody of bad Oscar musical numbers, and it’s suckiness was amplified by the comparatively clever, entertaining opening number with Jackman and Anne Hathaway.
I say they should keep about 10% of the new ideas and work on them. Throw the rest of it out.
Comment filtered, please help! Thanks.
Meh. The Oscars are just a bunch of spoiled nitwits telling each other how important they are, when the truth is they contribute nothing of value to society and indeed are destructive to it.
Much like Congress.
13. *shrug* Should the guy who played the womanizing newscaster on Frazier not been casts -because- he is gay?
Should Phil Morris have not voiced King Faraday in Justice League: The New Frontier because he’s not white?
Heck, should Carl Lumbly not have voiced the Martian Manhunter because he’s not a Martian?
Best man for the job, regardless of things like the colour of his skin or his choice in bedmates.
(Disclaimer, not seen Milk, and find Sean Penn a waste of space. jsut saying that I found the question annoying.)
frak, filter hates me this morning
I never watch the Oscars because I refuse to watch a liberal love-fest. Makes me feel all dirty and I need to take a shower.
I still can’t believe that Mickey Rourke lost to Spicolli.
Regards,
Peter H.
@ American Elephant
You can sure insult people! Nice!
Anyway, out of sheer curiousity, what do you support in terms of ‘rights’ or ‘things’ towards gay people?
You obv disagree with gay marriage, hence the irrational spewing…
Do you just not like gays? It’s okay if you do. You don’t choose to be gay but you can choose to not associate yourself with them. I mean what do they have to complain about?
I guess you hated Milk to huh?
Some people need to just except being a minority with their mouths shuts and heads down.
Dispicable! And I hope Sean Penn burns in hell or finds death for trying to tell people that they should give Gays equal rights! Dumbass! As if most gay people want it???
Why didn’t he just ask the prick. Better still, why didn’t he just come on this site?? Then he would’ve shut the hell up! Makes me sick.
One man’s “fat chick” is another woman’s busty, curvey, abso-effin’-lutely gorgeous lady.
I’ll take Kate Wisnlet in Titanic, over any of these skinny, “enhanced” Hollywood starlets.
As I’m sure y’all know, I’ll take Kate Winslet … period.
Well, I couldn’t watch the Oscars last night because we lost power due to a snowstorm. Just lucky I guess. Anyhow, we got our power back this morning & I watched Sean Penn’s speech on YouTube. Reading from a piece of paper? What a doofus. I’m glad he won for the Harvey Milk role, but he should’ve rehearsed beforehand.
John,
Your frothing at the mouth rant was almost as intelligible as Spicolli’s speech, but I will do my best to answer.
Equal rights. We have them.
I dont see where I said I disagree with gay marriage, only the asshats that think its a right. But I fail to see how it relates to your irrational spewing either way.
I like gays just fine. It’s idiots I’m not fond of. unfortunately, there’s a lot of overlap betwixt the two.
I love Milk, especially on cereal or in an iced vanilla latte.
SPICOLLI!
Filtered at my snarky best.
Um, Levi, actually, yes, I do. Remember, the opponents are not running for office, but defending their notion of marriage and attacking an attempt to broaden its definition. Take issue with their ideas, not with them as advocates. Not just, that, in a forum like this one, Penn only had limited time. It’s telling that he used it not to promote but attack.
First of all, I’m certain you don’t believe that. The Republican Party has had absolutely no problem attacking people while ignoring the issues over the past 8 years, it’s one of the few things you’re consistent about. People that opposed the war were traitorous terrorist-coddlers, people that supported Obama ignored the America-hating church of racism he attended, people that want women to have the right to choose are baby-killers, and people that support gay marriage have no problem with beastiality and incest. Are you really going to pretend that the Republican Party practices what you’re preaching?
If part of the problem in any given political discussion is that a group arguing one side is relying on bigoted, racist, or stupid arguments, then that has to be addressed, because that is the core of the problem. Why should I not address what I perceive to be the core of the problem? That’s like telling a doctor he has to perform a heart transplant without the use of medical instruments.
Think of it this way, you’re giving a short speech on an unrelated topic, but did want to promote gay marriage, that is, if you really wanted to advance the issue. How would you do that, in one sentence or two? –Dan]
Wait — you’re saying that the issue of gay marriage and winning an Oscar for portraying an assassinated gay man are totally unrelated?
I think you want to walk that back.
*laugh* and with one post (and help by an editorial comment) Levi proves Dan’s point, for him.
And continues to ignore the reality on the ground in California, where it was more than those ‘evil Republicans’ he checks under the bed for who voted for Prop 8.
two hints, for Levi.
1) The Gay Marriage issue as you fight is 0-30. It’s the detroit lions of ballot issues.
2) It’s been a bipartisan action across the board. Thought that was the new ‘tone’ in the air, Bipartisan?
Oh, Dan let me try my arguement in two sentences.
Marriage has traditionally stood for a union between one man and one woman. Fred would allow hundreds of same sex couples recognition of their partnerships to be recognized by the goverment, with all the rights and restrictions thereof, without challenging the history of traditional marriage.
Two sentences 🙂
Levi, how can you be so certain what I believe and don’t believe.
My, my, my, do you just comment here, but not bother to read the posts, defining me as the narrow-minded hypocritical self-hating conservative of your imagination so you can more readily attack me and, by extension, all gay conservatives?
You go and lash out at the Republican Party as if embody everything it stands for, ignoring that I have criticized my party on a number of issues over the years. You reveal where you are truly coming from in this sentence (emphasis added):
Groups don’t argue issues. Individuals do, sometimes speaking for said groups. You seem to see me a representative of a group you abhor, not the individual that I am.
I’m an individual not a group. And I agree we need to take on hateful arguments, even those made by advocates of same-sex marriage. But, I’ve been pointing out that not all opponents of same-sex marriage make such arguments. And you’d be wise to pay attention to their concerns and address them in a responsible manner. As too should be Sean Penn.
Do you really think that all opponents of same-sex marriage are making bigoted arguments? Do I? I’m not opposed to gay marriage. Remember, you’re posting your comments to this blog, so address the ideas that I express and oftentimes you ignore them or misrepresent them.
Walk that back? When I said “unrelated topic,” I referred to Sean Penn as an actor and the character he was portraying. I’m not aware of Harvey Milk making gay marriage his chief issue. Indeed, I don’t believe he ever referenced it in the film.
Still, the point remains . . . .why did he attack the opponents of gay marriage instead of promoting the issue.
What WAS Philip Seymour Hoffman wearing on his head?
I watched most of the show since we were at an Oscar party. But I kept referring to Big Hollywood’s live blogging of the show to keep my sanity going.
I found it to be basically boring and self laudatory, which is all I expect from Hollywood.
Was very glad that Slumdog took all those awards, can’t say it was a great movie, but it was fresh and new.
Very glad that Waltz with Bashir didn’t win foreign film, we didn’t need a self hating Israeli film to win.
I thought Sean Penn did deserve the Oscar, but his speech reminds me why he is just an ‘actor’. Does other peoples lines very well, not much else.
Some of the dresses were nice, others were horrible.
In a month non of us will remember anything about this show. I just hope the caterers, limo drivers and all the tech people made a nice penny last night.
Does anyone really think it took any courage at all for Spicolli to stand in front of that spoiled and addle-brained Hollywood crowd and rant about his support for same sex marriage? I’ll tell you what would take courage… to stand in front of those moral idiots and say, “I support traditional marriage because it’s in the best interest of society and children.” I’m waiting for a truly rebellious and free-thinking Hollywood “artist” to give that speech.
Yeah the Memorial Tribute was an absolute trainwreck. Half the time I couldn’t even read the name of the person being paid tribute. They spent way too much time focussing on Queen Latifah and trying to convey all the graphics being displayed on the screen that they lost focus on what the point of it all was.
If any of you had a national audience, would you have given that speech?
I think not and hope not.
#34, if you’re referring to my proposed speech supporting traditional marriage, I would happily give that speech in the right forum, and guess what? The vast majority of Americans would agree with me.
GPW,
I read your posts, for the love of god, I read your goddamn posts. And I’ll let you know when I see you expressing any sort of individualism — from what I can gather from my short time here, you sound like every other Republican that I’ve ever talked to. The annual Oscars posts about Hollywood sucking are a prime example. That’s my principle thesis about American politics, actually. You’re all pretty much identical.
As for your point, it isn’t really a point. Sean Penn is free to advocate for gay marriage in the way that he wants, you’re free to do it the way that you want. He thinks he can gain the most traction by using his platform to talk about the opponents, you’d prefer to do it a different way. Who are you to say how someone should argue for what they believe?
Actually, to Dustin Lance Black, I would say the following to gay kids everywhere: that whiny victim drama queens like himself who spend their entire lives telling gay kids how everyone hates them and that their only choice is to become moonbat leftists who will support even sexual exploitation of children and promiscuous disease-spreading sex in order to avoid condemning other gays’ behavior are out of their minds.
Be yourself and not who Dustin Lance Black wants you to be.
And actually, the irony is that the film did an excellent job of demonstrating exactly what Harvey Milk created in the last scene where he throws a temper tantrum in Moscone’s office, demanding that Moscone do exactly what he wants and ignore anyone else or be threatened and attacked.
We see that in Levi, Kevin, and all the other leftists who post here: obsession with their minority status, contempt for anyone else, and the desire to attack and harm anyone who dares disagree with them.
We see that in Levi, Kevin, and all the other leftists who post here: obsession with their minority status, contempt for anyone else, and the desire to attack and harm anyone who dares disagree with them.
What’s my minority status Mr. Know-It-All?
*laugh* and with one post (and help by an editorial comment) Levi proves Dan’s point, for him.
And continues to ignore the reality on the ground in California, where it was more than those ‘evil Republicans’ he checks under the bed for who voted for Prop 8.
I don’t mind calling the vast majority of black people that voted for Prop 8 bigots, either. They would have made the difference, to be sure.
two hints, for Levi.
1) The Gay Marriage issue as you fight is 0-30. It’s the detroit lions of ballot issues.
That’s not how I see it. What was the margin of victory last year? A couple of points? That gap is narrowing, not widening. There’s no reason to expect that trend not to continue. We’ll have gay marriage soon enough.
2) It’s been a bipartisan action across the board. Thought that was the new ‘tone’ in the air, Bipartisan?
Obama is just as wrong as the Republicans are. Obama is so far removed from the far left radical that conservatives painted him as during the election, and his stance on gay marriage is just another of the many facts that underscores that point.
What’s my minority status Mr. Know-It-All?
Your minority status is “antireligious and anti-Republican bigot and hatemonger”.
Not surprisingly, that’s the overwhelming majority of gay marriage supporters. It’s almost as if they’re using gay marriage as an excuse to carry out their public bigotry.
Your minority status is “antireligious and anti-Republican bigot and hatemongerâ€.
How are you figuring this out? What have I said confirms in your mind that I’m a bigot and a hatemonger?
Kevin: “Also, in attacking protestors …”
Oops, I forgot about the protesters. Penn did call them out, and now that I think about it, his response was more appropriate than I origially thought.
I agree the Memorial Tribute was screwed up. So, was this a memorial to the fantastic job the Oscars did in puttin’ on a show? That’s what it seemed like. They definitely should have concentrated more on the memorialized than on the memorial itself. Queen Latifah was great though.
The whole show was a throw-back to the days of Hollywood Glamor and I appreciated that a LOT. What? Get a MOVIE STAR to host? What an idea! Great sets, mind blowing lighting, good graphics. But I missed the voice-over with details of what we’re seeing: “This is the fourth Oscar for [this person] … ” Etc. Or, they’d show someone in the audience and unless you knew the actors personally, you’d have NO idea who the heck this is and why they’re doing a closeup. There just wasn’t enough information for the casual Hollywood fan.
I sorta watched it in reverse, watching the big awards live then going back to watch the rest the next morning, and whoa, the first time I saw five screen legends giving what seemed like personal speechs to the five best actress nominees, I nearly … Hey, I teared up. Another great idea that harkens to the glory days. After watching them all, well, that ONE was great, the others were less successful.
I could go on and on, it was a great show IMO.
See below, Levi:
“I don’t mind calling the vast majority of black people that voted for Prop 8 bigots, either. They would have made the difference, to be sure.”
Checkmate. Usiing your own words.
#42 – “How are you figuring this out? What have I said confirms in your mind that I’m a bigot and a hatemonger?”
Oh God, talk about having eyes but being unable to see. Just read your past frickin’ posts, Levi.
Regards,
Peter H.
“And I wonder why on earth the organizers chose one of a hyperpartisan left-of-center host of a political show to present the documentary awards.”
Maybe my sarcasm alert isn’t working, but I can’t believe you wrote this. They did it because they knew it would endear them to their target audience, hyperpartisan hollywood leftists.
Levi vomits the following: “I don’t mind calling the vast majority of black people that voted for Prop 8 bigots, either.”
OK, then – I double-dog-dare you to walk into Harlem, South Central LA, Atlanta, Houston’s Fifth Ward, New Orleans’ Lower Ninth, or any part of DC and call the first black person you see a bigot for not accepting you and your sexual persuasion.
Then after you get out of the hospital ER, we’ll talk about Hope-n-Change some more.
Coward.
Regards,
Peter H.
Levi vomits the following: “I don’t mind calling the vast majority of black people that voted for Prop 8 bigots, either.â€
OK, then – I double-dog-dare you to walk into Harlem, South Central LA, Atlanta, Houston’s Fifth Ward, New Orleans’ Lower Ninth, or any part of DC and call the first black person you see a bigot for not accepting you and your sexual persuasion.
Then after you get out of the hospital ER, we’ll talk about Hope-n-Change some more.
Coward.
Regards,
Peter H.
Oooo- thanks for bringing the kid stuff! My dad can beat up your dad!
Also, what’s my sexual persuasion?
36. Snort. No Individulalism?
Hear that Attmay, Levi’s just declared that Bruce, Dan, you, and I all agree on all the issues.
*picks self up off floor, gets strange looks from co-workers*
Levi, the saying ‘there are none so blind as those who cannot see’ was custom made for you.
Dan’s ‘individuallity’ can be seen under the archive catagory Log Cabin (Republicans). If there was a uniform consensus of Republican talking points, Dan, and a lot of the posters, are far from it in so many things.
The question has been bandied around ‘why do straight folks post here?’ I’ve avoided it because I find it a silly question.
Let me state it for me here. I post here because I find the posters and the majority of the commentators decent people. Dan, I’ve had the pleasure of meeting and discussing everything from politics to Beowulf with him. (hint: don’t get started on Beowulf) Attmay, NDT, Julie, V the K, yes, even AE, I’d be comfortable meeting for a beer (root beer in my and V the K’s case) I find that our similarites, and differences, make us all the stronger.
It’s you, PeeJ, adDave, that I see so calcified in your thoughts and hatred that makes me feel sorrow for you. Well sorrow mixed with a bit of contempt.
See below, Levi:
“I don’t mind calling the vast majority of black people that voted for Prop 8 bigots, either. They would have made the difference, to be sure.â€
Checkmate. Usiing your own words.
Comment by The Livewire — February 23, 2009
By that token, since North Dallas Thirty called me a bigot, then he/she is a bigot, too? Right?
Are people that call Klansmen bigots actually bigots themselves?
36. Snort. No Individulalism?
Hear that Attmay, Levi’s just declared that Bruce, Dan, you, and I all agree on all the issues.
*picks self up off floor, gets strange looks from co-workers*
Levi, the saying ‘there are none so blind as those who cannot see’ was custom made for you.
It’s an assumption I’m entirely unafraid to make. I don’t know how many times I’ve had a Republican tell me they didn’t agree with George Bush or his policies over the years, but all it ever takes is a little bit of scratching beneath the surface to figure out that they’re pretty much in lockstep. I haven’t been at this blog for long and I certainly know nothing about you, but I have no doubt that that pattern will repeat itself. Non-criticism of Republicans and George Bush is the biggest problem with your party, as far as I can tell.
Levi wrote this at #39: “What’s my minority status Mr. Know-It-All?”
This at # 42: “How are you figuring this out? What have I said confirms in your mind that I’m a bigot and a hatemonger?”
And now this at #51: “It’s an assumption I’m entirely unafraid to make. I don’t know how many times I’ve had a Republican tell me they didn’t agree with George Bush or his policies over the years, but all it ever takes is a little bit of scratching beneath the surface to figure out that they’re pretty much in lockstep. I haven’t been at this blog for long and I certainly know nothing about you, but I have no doubt that that pattern will repeat itself.”
Don’t even think about making assumptions about, Levi. Only he gets to do that. As I’ve said before, liberals have standards, but the “double” is always silent.
Right, no one here ever criticized Bush’s spending.
No one here ever criticized Bush’s complete neglect of border security or his cronyism, or his selection of Harriet Miers, or his prescription drug giveaway, or No Child Left Behind, or McCain-Feingold, or for imprisoning Ramos and Compean, or for signing Tom Daschle’s bloated Agriculture Bill or the even more bloated Highway Bill Congress produced.
Yeah, we were all totally in “lockstep” with Bush on every issue.
(Dumbass.)
Right, no one here ever criticized Bush’s spending, or his complete neglect of border security, or his cronyism, or his selection of Harriet Miers, or his p-r-e-s-c-r-i-p-t-i-o-n d-r-u-g g-i-v-e-a-w-a-y, or No Child Left Behind, or McCain-Feingold, or for imprisoning Ramos and Compean, or for signing Tom Daschle’s bloated Agriculture Bill or the even more bloated Highway Bill Congress produced.
Yeah, we were all totally in “lockstep” with Bush on every issue.
(Dumbass.)
Aside from that, Sean, there’s the simple fact that, according to Levi’s logic, no matter what a person says, all you have to do is scratch the surface and you’ll find out that they’re lying and they really mean what you said they’re saying in the first place.
Hence, I don’t need any type of evidence to call Levi a bigot and a hatemonger; I just can do it and, by Levi’s logic, be perfectly correct, since “the pattern will repeat itself” regardless of what the person actually said.
Then you truly don’t pay attention or you just don’t accept anything that doesn’t conform to your preconceived notions.
#48 – “Also, what’s my sexual persuasion?”
Hell if I know, dimbulb. I may be a gay male but I don’t let that fact be the ONE thing that defines me.
So if you are asking me what your persuasion is, then you are more confused that I thought.
Also – you still haven’t accepted my challenge to call a black person a bigot. And you never will, because like most libtards you are all talk and no action.
Checkmate.
Regards,
Peter H.
@ american elephant
“Equal rights. We have them.”
What are they??
#56:
I’ll take up the challenge.
Black people who voted yes on Prop 8 are bigots and should be honorary Klansmen.
*hugs Attmay and sings ‘can you feel the love tonight’* 🙂
the freedoms of religious exercise, speech, assembly, association, redress of grievances. The right to bear arms. The right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, excessive bail, and cruel and unusual punishment. Due process, property rights, speedy trial by a jury of peers.
Ever heard of them?
I’m a bit disappointed that Hugh Jackman didn’t keep his promise to appear naked and drunk….
No PeeJ, your lumping people into groups to vent your vitrol on shows you as a bigot.
Damnit, I meant Levi.
Sorry again PeeJ
i think you also meant “you’re” and not “your”
and to the other poster: yes, people who voted “yes” on prop 8, including black people, are either bigoted or ignorant (and sometimes both).
And Boob exemplifies why gays continue to lose the marriage debate. There is no principled opposition in their tiny little nano-brains.
And why? Because gay marriage to THEM has nothing to do with the importance of the institution, or what is good for the country, to them it is about nothing but validating homosexuality. And who could oppose validating homosexuality but bigots and the ignorant.
once again, the left shows they dont give a rats ass about marriage.
#65: “and to the other poster: yes, people who voted “yes†on prop 8, including black people, are either bigoted or ignorant (and sometimes both).”
Wow. I’ve never witnessed such a selfless act of bravery–bob, where do you get the guts to go on a blog about gay conservatives and then anonymously condemn the members of a minority group that voted for Prop. 8 as bigoted and ignorant? Aren’t you concerned about your safety? Why hasn’t Sean Penn made a movie about YOU?!
bob, the day you strap on a sandwich board that reads on both sides in all caps “MUSLIMS WHO VOTED FOR PROP. 8 ARE HOMOPHOBIC, IGNORANT BIGOTS!” and stand outside a mosque ringing a bell, is the day I’ll be impressed with your unequivocal condemnations.
#67: What do you expect him to do, go to an anti-gay black church and make a scene? Is that your idea of bravery?
Did anti-gay black churches put up most of the money? Did they pay for most of the radio, TV and internet propaganda ads? They weren’t the ones leading the charge. They just followed it. They were misguided, ignorant and, yes, bigoted. But it was the Mormons who were pulling the strings, therefore they were the targets of the protests.
Attmay,
Sending white powder in an envelope is not a ‘protest’ by any stretch of the imagination. You know that’s beyond the pale, and I assume you didn’t mean to include that in the umbrella of protests.
I understand you’re passionate on the topic, but it is possible to oppose something w/o being a bigot. After all, you oppose efforts to keep the definiation of marriage as it is commonly understood, but I think you’d bristle at being called ‘bigoted against blacks, hispanics and Mormons’ (not to mention all us poor white folks)
And being lectured for grammar by bob is like being lectured on fidelity by Bill Clinton.
Oh, and why not go to a black church or a Mosque? They did vote for prop 8, yes? It’s just safe to assume the results would have been more, spectacular, if it was done.
What do you expect him to do, go to an anti-gay black church and make a scene? Is that your idea of bravery?
Not bravery; consistency.
After all, he said that anyone who voted in favor of Proposition 8 should be publicly shamed. Why would it then take bravery to attack black and Islamic people, when he so readily and easily attacks Mormons and white people?
Meanwhile, in order to justify the cowardice of leftist gays and Penn in not attacking black people and Muslims, you argue that Muslims and black people are “ignorant” and thus are not responsible for their behavior.
#71: Because you saw what happened with that New York Post cartoon. Perception of racism is as destructive (where PR is concerned, anyway) as real racism. Witness that Obama-fellating scumbag JoeMyGod drinking Al Sharpton’s Kool-Aid.
I doubt Sean Penn, an individual for whom I have little to no respect, and his alleged gay marriage support (more related to PR than anything else) did not increase that respect, exempted any Prop 8 supporters from his shame. But he’s one to talk: he married Madonna!
Attmay,
I think perception is destructive only as we allow it.
To use you as an example. Your, shall we say, strident condemnation of those who disagree with you on the gay marriage issue could easily be perceived as hate speech against the religious. I doubt that’s true. but if the ‘perception is as destructive’ as the real thing. Shouldn’t you appologize?
Just saying.
No. Because the perception doesn’t match the reality. If I were saying “Christians suck and should die in a horrible grease fire” that would be hate speech against the religious. I didn’t say that.
The Yes on 8 campaign was built on one lie after another. Many people bought into them because they conformed to the impressions of gays put in their mind by their their pseudo-religious mis-teachings. Too many conservative blogs regurgitated this garbage word for word, and their commenters pulled Bible quotes out of their hind quarters to justify their prejudices.
Meanwhile the supposed savior of the GOP, Michael Steele, shows his true colors and opposes not only gay marriage but civil unions, which even George W. Bush supported.
They chose to prejudge all gays. I refuse to be tolerant towards beliefs that consider me equivalent to a murderer. I refuse to be tolerant towards beliefs that consider me worse than terrorists. And if you continue to hide behind Christianity to justify it you do not bolster your argument. You just hurt the reputation of Christianity.
I doubt any of the so-called “anti-religious bigots” developed their beliefs about religion in a vacuum.
and the dead chimp wasn’t meant to be President Obama. I fail to see the difference.
#75: It was blatant anti-chimp bigotry. I’m sick of chimps being insulted by being compared to politicians.