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	<title>Comments on: North Carolina &amp; Gay Marriage:A Long Way To Go</title>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/01/north-carolina-gay-marriagea-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-458838</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think marriage might be different but they should at  least allow a civil; union or partnership</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think marriage might be different but they should at  least allow a civil; union or partnership</p>
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		<title>By: Sloan ROllins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sloan ROllins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why must all conservatives speak from a place of hate and anger?  why must everything be polarized and black &amp; white?  when will you understand that as gays we are all brothers and sisters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why must all conservatives speak from a place of hate and anger?  why must everything be polarized and black &amp; white?  when will you understand that as gays we are all brothers and sisters?</p>
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		<title>By: Antigone Rising</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antigone Rising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 04:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Way to go lefties! You have set gay marriage back decades!&quot;

The recent votes in Vermont and Connecticut would seem to refute that conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Way to go lefties! You have set gay marriage back decades!&#8221;</p>
<p>The recent votes in Vermont and Connecticut would seem to refute that conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; I wish the poll had included â€œconfirmed bachelors sharing a houseâ€ or â€œdevoted friends splitting expensesâ€ or â€œmaiden aunts whoâ€™ve been together simply foreverâ€â€“this way of identifying yourself would lead to legal recognition. Who would object? &lt;/i&gt;

Ugh! Most self-respecting people would.  

I&#039;ll stick with Bruce&#039;s idea.  Why not poll on the question of civil unions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I wish the poll had included â€œconfirmed bachelors sharing a houseâ€ or â€œdevoted friends splitting expensesâ€ or â€œmaiden aunts whoâ€™ve been together simply foreverâ€â€“this way of identifying yourself would lead to legal recognition. Who would object? </i></p>
<p>Ugh! Most self-respecting people would.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stick with Bruce&#8217;s idea.  Why not poll on the question of civil unions?</p>
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		<title>By: Attmay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9: &quot;Way to go lefties! You have set gay marriage back decades!&quot;

I thought that would make you happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9: &#8220;Way to go lefties! You have set gay marriage back decades!&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought that would make you happy.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not the marrying kind&quot; is my favorite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not the marrying kind&#8221; is my favorite.</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/01/north-carolina-gay-marriagea-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-379248</link>
		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I misread your point.  Appologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I misread your point.  Appologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashpenaz</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/01/north-carolina-gay-marriagea-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-379239</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashpenaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in all of those cases, the couples could be having wild, crazy sex. The point is, there is no legal reason for them to reveal that. People should be able to form legal partnerships without having to explain their reasons for wanting to do that. When the gay community pushes sex into people&#039;s faces, they undermine all same-sex couples who want legal status. I should be able to have a civil union without having to make a political statement about my sexuality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in all of those cases, the couples could be having wild, crazy sex. The point is, there is no legal reason for them to reveal that. People should be able to form legal partnerships without having to explain their reasons for wanting to do that. When the gay community pushes sex into people&#8217;s faces, they undermine all same-sex couples who want legal status. I should be able to have a civil union without having to make a political statement about my sexuality.</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/01/north-carolina-gay-marriagea-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-379198</link>
		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashpenaz,

For most of those examples, there are legal remedies.  (I&#039;m having my roommate come in tomorrow to get my POA noterized, for example)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashpenaz,</p>
<p>For most of those examples, there are legal remedies.  (I&#8217;m having my roommate come in tomorrow to get my POA noterized, for example)</p>
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		<title>By: Ashpenaz</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/01/north-carolina-gay-marriagea-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-379149</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashpenaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish the poll had included &quot;confirmed bachelors sharing a house&quot; or &quot;devoted friends splitting expenses&quot; or &quot;maiden aunts who&#039;ve been together simply forever&quot;--this way of identifying yourself would lead to legal recognition. Who would object? Don&#039;t say &quot;people who hate gays no matter how they identify themselves&quot; because no one here has said anything about their orientation. These are couples who have valid reasons for wanting a legal civil union without having to reveal anything about their private sex lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish the poll had included &#8220;confirmed bachelors sharing a house&#8221; or &#8220;devoted friends splitting expenses&#8221; or &#8220;maiden aunts who&#8217;ve been together simply forever&#8221;&#8211;this way of identifying yourself would lead to legal recognition. Who would object? Don&#8217;t say &#8220;people who hate gays no matter how they identify themselves&#8221; because no one here has said anything about their orientation. These are couples who have valid reasons for wanting a legal civil union without having to reveal anything about their private sex lives.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveP.</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/01/north-carolina-gay-marriagea-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-379125</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveP.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the big secret of Democratic gays: that, everywhere Defense of Marriage Acts have been proposed, they&#039;ve passed- with the indispensable help of a huge percentage of Democratic voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the big secret of Democratic gays: that, everywhere Defense of Marriage Acts have been proposed, they&#8217;ve passed- with the indispensable help of a huge percentage of Democratic voters.</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/01/north-carolina-gay-marriagea-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-379116</link>
		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addendum, forgot to add. The supreme court of MA reaffirmed the state&#039;s right to restrict marriages, upholding the 1918 law saying that if you&#039;re not eligible in your home state to be married, you can&#039;t get married in MA.  So the court&#039;s tyrany resulted in saying &quot;You can regulate who gets married, legislature, we just get to tel you if we like it or not.&quot;

Seperation of powers my pasty white aft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum, forgot to add. The supreme court of MA reaffirmed the state&#8217;s right to restrict marriages, upholding the 1918 law saying that if you&#8217;re not eligible in your home state to be married, you can&#8217;t get married in MA.  So the court&#8217;s tyrany resulted in saying &#8220;You can regulate who gets married, legislature, we just get to tel you if we like it or not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seperation of powers my pasty white aft.</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/01/north-carolina-gay-marriagea-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-379112</link>
		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was watching a thing on &#039;sucker bets&#039; in Vegas on the Travel Channel.  They had a contest between a professional odds player and a guy who took the sucker bets.  The sucket bets won, in that instance.

It hit me this is kind of the left/right arguement when it comes to same sex partnerships.

The conservative, societal change approach is slow, not as fun but has better odds.  Moving though the legislatures and referendum process, one state at a time.  California, with its &#039;civil unions&#039; has paid off.

The far left is on tilt, playing against the odds (0 and 30, maybe about to become 0 and 31) because the one time they win, and make it stick, they get a big payoff.

Bruce, it sounds like NC is about to make a pre-emptive defense, much like Ohio did.  We had a &#039;Defense of Marriage Act&#039; on the books, but the referrendum process changed it to an ammendment, in part because it&#039;s been shown time and time again that courts could care less about &#039;acts&#039; (They don&#039;t care about ammendments either, but that&#039;s a rant for another blog)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was watching a thing on &#8216;sucker bets&#8217; in Vegas on the Travel Channel.  They had a contest between a professional odds player and a guy who took the sucker bets.  The sucket bets won, in that instance.</p>
<p>It hit me this is kind of the left/right arguement when it comes to same sex partnerships.</p>
<p>The conservative, societal change approach is slow, not as fun but has better odds.  Moving though the legislatures and referendum process, one state at a time.  California, with its &#8216;civil unions&#8217; has paid off.</p>
<p>The far left is on tilt, playing against the odds (0 and 30, maybe about to become 0 and 31) because the one time they win, and make it stick, they get a big payoff.</p>
<p>Bruce, it sounds like NC is about to make a pre-emptive defense, much like Ohio did.  We had a &#8216;Defense of Marriage Act&#8217; on the books, but the referrendum process changed it to an ammendment, in part because it&#8217;s been shown time and time again that courts could care less about &#8216;acts&#8217; (They don&#8217;t care about ammendments either, but that&#8217;s a rant for another blog)</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/01/north-carolina-gay-marriagea-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-378842</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations Kevin, Your approach is working AWESOME!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations Kevin, Your approach is working AWESOME!</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/01/north-carolina-gay-marriagea-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-378841</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The poll of 600 registered voters from Feb. 16-19 found that 76 percent support a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage, while 21 percent are opposed to such an amendment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;How many states have now amended their constitutions to prohibit gay marriage? 20? 30?

None of which would have happened if gay liberals hadn&#039;t been trying to circumvent the people and  cram gay marriage down everyone&#039;s throats by activist judicial fiat. 

Way to go lefties! You have set gay marriage back decades!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The poll of 600 registered voters from Feb. 16-19 found that 76 percent support a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage, while 21 percent are opposed to such an amendment.</p></blockquote>
<p>How many states have now amended their constitutions to prohibit gay marriage? 20? 30?</p>
<p>None of which would have happened if gay liberals hadn&#8217;t been trying to circumvent the people and  cram gay marriage down everyone&#8217;s throats by activist judicial fiat. </p>
<p>Way to go lefties! You have set gay marriage back decades!</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry Kevin,

I&#039;m sorry you are so insecure you need government recognition of your relationship.  I&#039;m sorry you don&#039;t know the meaning of the word &#039;right&#039;.  And I&#039;m sorry you can&#039;t seem to reply to Bruce&#039;s point that they didn&#039;t ask about civil unions.

Most of all, I&#039;m sorry that you can&#039;t see that pushing the same hostile attacking of those who disagree with you produces the same results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry Kevin,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you are so insecure you need government recognition of your relationship.  I&#8217;m sorry you don&#8217;t know the meaning of the word &#8216;right&#8217;.  And I&#8217;m sorry you can&#8217;t seem to reply to Bruce&#8217;s point that they didn&#8217;t ask about civil unions.</p>
<p>Most of all, I&#8217;m sorry that you can&#8217;t see that pushing the same hostile attacking of those who disagree with you produces the same results.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 01:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Kevin, since you think not being able to marry anyone with whom you want to have sex is denial of &quot;equal legal rights&quot;, then why aren&#039;t you speaking out against bans on incestuous, polygamous, and child marriage?

Oh, that&#039;s right; you and your fellow gay liberals are advocating &lt;a href=&quot;http://beyondmarriage.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; exactly that&lt;/a&gt;.

And you wonder why people support constitutional amendments against you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Kevin, since you think not being able to marry anyone with whom you want to have sex is denial of &#8220;equal legal rights&#8221;, then why aren&#8217;t you speaking out against bans on incestuous, polygamous, and child marriage?</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s right; you and your fellow gay liberals are advocating <a href="http://beyondmarriage.org/" rel="nofollow"> exactly that</a>.</p>
<p>And you wonder why people support constitutional amendments against you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/01/north-carolina-gay-marriagea-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-378807</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 01:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the glee that permeates here when certain people people of this country can&#039;t enjoy equal legal rights.  Why not coin the term &quot;uppity homos&quot;?  that could harken back to a bygone era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the glee that permeates here when certain people people of this country can&#8217;t enjoy equal legal rights.  Why not coin the term &#8220;uppity homos&#8221;?  that could harken back to a bygone era.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 01:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>North Carolina only has one Democrat Senator! The Witch of the West, Kay Hagan. Our other Senator is Republican Richard Burr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North Carolina only has one Democrat Senator! The Witch of the West, Kay Hagan. Our other Senator is Republican Richard Burr.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 00:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I suspect these polls reflect negative reaction to the more vocal prop-8 opponents in California and (reasonable) fear people have that some judge is going to impose this from the bench.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I agree.  The Prop 8 opponents have set us back (pro-civil union and/or pro-marriage gays).  And there&#039;s a long and sorry track record of gay marriage being imposed from the bench, so it&#039;s rational for people to fear that.&lt;blockquote&gt;Considering that NC is a â€˜New Blueâ€™ state...thatâ€™s an awful lot of queer-hatinâ€™, gay-bashinâ€™, homophobic Democrats. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Give the man a prize.  It was, after all, Kerry voters who passed those initiatives in 2004 - and Obama voters who provided the margin of victory of Prop 8 in CA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I suspect these polls reflect negative reaction to the more vocal prop-8 opponents in California and (reasonable) fear people have that some judge is going to impose this from the bench.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree.  The Prop 8 opponents have set us back (pro-civil union and/or pro-marriage gays).  And there&#8217;s a long and sorry track record of gay marriage being imposed from the bench, so it&#8217;s rational for people to fear that.<br />
<blockquote>Considering that NC is a â€˜New Blueâ€™ state&#8230;thatâ€™s an awful lot of queer-hatinâ€™, gay-bashinâ€™, homophobic Democrats. </p></blockquote>
<p>Give the man a prize.  It was, after all, Kerry voters who passed those initiatives in 2004 &#8211; and Obama voters who provided the margin of victory of Prop 8 in CA.</p>
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