I’m sure Dan will have lots to say as today unfolds, so this is more of a place holder for further discussion.
From Pam’s House Blend:Â
The California Supreme Court will hear three hours of arguments today regarding the constitutionality of Prop 8. It will have 90 days to issue an opinion, but it’s been pretty clear that we’ll likely know something before then.
Watch the Court proceedings on The California Channel website.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
I’ve heard from a lot of gay marriage supporting conservatives that the California Supreme Court decision last May set back the cause by a decade, I wonder if that was the sentiment of anyone here? I ask because I’ve seen a lot of prescriptions for how to get gay marriage legalized, how you have to placate the other side and not push too hard, but that doesn’t seem to be what’s happening, now they’re talking about possibly repealing the proposition. You have lots and lots of pressure and outrage from liberals to thank for that.
Yes Levi,
They’re talking about denying the people the right to ammend their constitution.
We have liberals to thank for that.
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yep, Levi and if the court overturns Prop 8, then, you’ll see a society further divided on the issue, instead of reaching consensus. And you’ll create a precedent for the court reinterpreting the state constitution to suit its needs.
#1 – “You have lots and lots of pressure and outrage from liberals to thank for that.”
Yes, we can thank them for attacking pro-Prop 8 people using extreme force, acting like whiny kids when they don’t get their way, and turning most of America against them.
For once, Levi got it right. Sort of.
And THAT is what has set back the movement almost 2 decades.
Regards,
Peter H.
Here’s what we risk (and by “we,” I don’t mean gay–I mean those of us who want legal recognition for same-sex partnerships): If we force “gay marriage” down the throats of a public who is not ready or willing by use of legal machinations, we will create an incredible backlash. We will become the new Jews–not that we have done anything wrong, but we will be seen as the source of all society’s ills. In a difficult economic climate, people will, illogically and irrationally, blame the problems on the most visible and irritating scapegoat–that is, us–regardless of our innocence. And in the same way Hitler banded together a diverse and fragmented into a solid force by uniting against a common enemy–the Jews–some clearthinking demagogue who perhaps comes from a culture which dislikes gays to begin with (I’m not saying urban black culture, oh no, not me) will use a common enemy–homosexuals–to gather a divided country together.
So, by all means, let’s march on the California Supreme Court. Let’s be loud, proud, and annoying. See you at camp.
I’m a straight conservative follower of Mr. GayPatriot living in NorCal who voted No on 8 (including a few other Repubs I know), but during the campaign I repeatedly heard the commercials with that loudmouth Gavin Newsome and his “Like it or not, we’re going to cram this down your throats!” (or something that sounded similar) speech which I believe had some impact on the outcome of the election. Prop 8 may still have passed even without Newsome’s “help”, but he needs to shut his pie-hole or at least be a little more subtle in the future!
Wow, my eyes have not been on California. And I’ve not been breathlessly awaiting a decision by the court.
No matter the decision, the opposing side who loses this step will appeal… maybe even find a route into the federal courts.
It matters not to most Americans –who have already decided in their minds that gays should not have the “right” to marry. Should gays have civil partnerships? Sure. Marriage? In most states, even the question has brought out a peremptory NO from the majority.
I guess I’m wondering, what part of NO doesn’t the activist, farLeft gay community get?
I’d like to drive a stake through this issue, take some time to regroup and then press for the extension of federal benefits & protections to SS couples. That’s far more important than the gay marriage Yeah-Nay controversy. And, yes, I don’t need the State’s validation of my marriage or partnership.
“I’d like to drive a stake through this issue, take some time to regroup and then press for the extension of federal benefits & protections to SS couples. That’s far more important than the gay marriage Yeah-Nay controversy. And, yes, I don’t need the State’s validation of my marriage or partnership.”
That’s a fight that I think most of us would be on the same side on.
Well except the perpetual victim crowd.
Guys there is a great LGBT civil rights organization called the Empowering Spirits Foundation. They are very creative in how they approach this hot topic issue, in that they engage in service oriented activities in communities typically opposed to equal rights to foster thought and change for LGBT equality.
A friend of mine told me about it and I thought it was a great, positive approach to the issue. We had so much fun at the last event and it was great to give back to the community. Plus it was great to converse with others on the other side of the table in a way that wasn’t confrontational.
Anyway, this can be such a heated issue and I thought this was a unique approach.