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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-388896</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be hard for a liberal like you to understand, boob, but when you give someone a tax exemption, you&#039;re not assessing tax on them in the first place. There&#039;s nothing to repay; you didn&#039;t lend them any money. 

However, if that company has assets that it accumulated, those can be sold off to pay off its creditors, especially if the company has broken its contracts. This is no different than the bank repossessing your house because you failed to keep up your end of the contract. No-fault divorce essentially is the equivalent of allowing you to not make the payments, but then insist that the house is still yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be hard for a liberal like you to understand, boob, but when you give someone a tax exemption, you&#8217;re not assessing tax on them in the first place. There&#8217;s nothing to repay; you didn&#8217;t lend them any money. </p>
<p>However, if that company has assets that it accumulated, those can be sold off to pay off its creditors, especially if the company has broken its contracts. This is no different than the bank repossessing your house because you failed to keep up your end of the contract. No-fault divorce essentially is the equivalent of allowing you to not make the payments, but then insist that the house is still yours.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-388376</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when a company that has certain tax exemptions later goes out of business, it doesn&#039;t have to retroactively pay back the tax exemptions, you ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when a company that has certain tax exemptions later goes out of business, it doesn&#8217;t have to retroactively pay back the tax exemptions, you ass.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-388206</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;continuing your logic, NDT, if an organization receives tax exemptions, should it not later be allowed to stop doing business at some point?&lt;/i&gt;

Absolutely. However, it should not be allowed to stiff all its creditors for no reason and skip away without penalty, which is what no-fault divorce does.

The problem here, Livewire, is that boob and his leftist ilk want the pay without having to do the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>continuing your logic, NDT, if an organization receives tax exemptions, should it not later be allowed to stop doing business at some point?</i></p>
<p>Absolutely. However, it should not be allowed to stiff all its creditors for no reason and skip away without penalty, which is what no-fault divorce does.</p>
<p>The problem here, Livewire, is that boob and his leftist ilk want the pay without having to do the work.</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-388008</link>
		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the fact that iâ€™m pragmatic and realize that sometimes divorce is better than staying in a destructive marriage doesnâ€™t mean iâ€™m less in favor of commitment.&lt;/i&gt;

Define destructive, bob.  Abuse?  Grounds for divorce.  Adultry? Grounds for divorce.  My second marriage ended in dissolution because I didn&#039;t want anything from her, except the divorce.  If I had been forced to bring it to a divorce court, I was prepared to go after the house, and bring as much of the scene and as many people into court as possible.  I made it clear I was going to make life for her and I in Ohio look like Atlanta after Sherman was done.  Then I could move to FL and start over.

Sorry, still bitter.

My point is, a &#039;destructive&#039; relationship is grounds for divorce.  So how does your statement matter a whit to no fault divorce?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the fact that iâ€™m pragmatic and realize that sometimes divorce is better than staying in a destructive marriage doesnâ€™t mean iâ€™m less in favor of commitment.</i></p>
<p>Define destructive, bob.  Abuse?  Grounds for divorce.  Adultry? Grounds for divorce.  My second marriage ended in dissolution because I didn&#8217;t want anything from her, except the divorce.  If I had been forced to bring it to a divorce court, I was prepared to go after the house, and bring as much of the scene and as many people into court as possible.  I made it clear I was going to make life for her and I in Ohio look like Atlanta after Sherman was done.  Then I could move to FL and start over.</p>
<p>Sorry, still bitter.</p>
<p>My point is, a &#8216;destructive&#8217; relationship is grounds for divorce.  So how does your statement matter a whit to no fault divorce?</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-387764</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and thanks for once again proving you are the king of making shit up and setting up strawmen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and thanks for once again proving you are the king of making shit up and setting up strawmen.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-387763</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>continuing your logic, NDT, if an organization receives tax exemptions, should it not later be allowed to stop doing business at some point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>continuing your logic, NDT, if an organization receives tax exemptions, should it not later be allowed to stop doing business at some point?</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-387750</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the government has no business telling adult, consenting couples what they do with their relationship.&lt;/i&gt; 

Tell us, boob, do you believe that organizations that receive tax exemptions should be required to follow certain rules or have their exemptions stripped? If so, why don&#039;t you think that &quot;adult, consenting couples&quot; that receive benefits from the government should have to do the same?

&lt;i&gt;the fact that iâ€™m pragmatic and realize that sometimes divorce is better than staying in a destructive marriage doesnâ€™t mean iâ€™m less in favor of commitment.&lt;/i&gt;

The problem here, boob, is that you consider your spouse not being attractive enough to be a &quot;destructive marriage&quot;. No-fault divorce did not add the capability to divorce an abusive or adulterous spouse; it simply made it easy for liberal cads to ditch one and start over again without the previous one&#039;s consent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the government has no business telling adult, consenting couples what they do with their relationship.</i> </p>
<p>Tell us, boob, do you believe that organizations that receive tax exemptions should be required to follow certain rules or have their exemptions stripped? If so, why don&#8217;t you think that &#8220;adult, consenting couples&#8221; that receive benefits from the government should have to do the same?</p>
<p><i>the fact that iâ€™m pragmatic and realize that sometimes divorce is better than staying in a destructive marriage doesnâ€™t mean iâ€™m less in favor of commitment.</i></p>
<p>The problem here, boob, is that you consider your spouse not being attractive enough to be a &#8220;destructive marriage&#8221;. No-fault divorce did not add the capability to divorce an abusive or adulterous spouse; it simply made it easy for liberal cads to ditch one and start over again without the previous one&#8217;s consent.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-387741</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is a difference between the &quot;ideal&quot; and the real world, AE.  the fact that i&#039;m pragmatic and realize that sometimes divorce is better than staying in a destructive marriage doesn&#039;t mean i&#039;m less in favor of commitment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is a difference between the &#8220;ideal&#8221; and the real world, AE.  the fact that i&#8217;m pragmatic and realize that sometimes divorce is better than staying in a destructive marriage doesn&#8217;t mean i&#8217;m less in favor of commitment.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-387729</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>translation: Boob is all for commitment so long as it doesn&#039;t mean actually committing!

What is simplistic and frankly immature is the unwillingness to commit without an &quot;out&quot;. 

Don&#039;t get married, Boob. You aren&#039;t mature enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>translation: Boob is all for commitment so long as it doesn&#8217;t mean actually committing!</p>
<p>What is simplistic and frankly immature is the unwillingness to commit without an &#8220;out&#8221;. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get married, Boob. You aren&#8217;t mature enough.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-387714</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m all for commitment, AE, but i also believe in individual choice (yes, that can be a liberal principle as well).  true, people could choose not to commit in the first place, but over here in the real world, we recognize that circumstances change, and the government has no business telling adult, consenting couples what they do with their relationship.  sometimes people make bad choices.  sometimes circumstances change.  sometimes staying married is a worse alternative than getting a divorce, even despite all the negative consequences of divorce.  this is a complex world in which we live, AE, and with all due respect (i mean that sincerely) i think your thought process w/r/t no-fault divorce is a bit simplistic, and frankly, backward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m all for commitment, AE, but i also believe in individual choice (yes, that can be a liberal principle as well).  true, people could choose not to commit in the first place, but over here in the real world, we recognize that circumstances change, and the government has no business telling adult, consenting couples what they do with their relationship.  sometimes people make bad choices.  sometimes circumstances change.  sometimes staying married is a worse alternative than getting a divorce, even despite all the negative consequences of divorce.  this is a complex world in which we live, AE, and with all due respect (i mean that sincerely) i think your thought process w/r/t no-fault divorce is a bit simplistic, and frankly, backward.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-387485</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boob, 

As Heliotrope and NDT have very eloquently addressed, there is nothing about my position that restricts freedom. Marriage is a voluntary institution. If you don&#039;t want to commit, don&#039;t get married.

However, what liberals seek to do is not protect freedom, but undermine commitment. Just as they want the Constitution to be a &quot;living breathing&quot; document that means whatever the hell they want it to mean, instead of a contractual commitment, or the way liberals insist election laws are meaningless when they lose, likewise they advanced &quot;no-fault&quot; divorce. 

But voluntary commitment is essential to maintaining freedom. Freedom is illusory in a society where rules don&#039;t mean what they say and contracts aren&#039;t worth the paper they are printed on. That would be anarchy, and anarchy is only a temporary state that always leads to tyranny. 

You are free to purse happiness because we all agreed to forgo the freedom to kill you should the idea tickle our fancy. Marriage is likewise strengthened by commitment. And liberalism has only harmed marriage and harmed society by undermining that commitment. 

The rest of your examples are dull witted non-sequiturs that I&#039;m not even going to bother with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boob, </p>
<p>As Heliotrope and NDT have very eloquently addressed, there is nothing about my position that restricts freedom. Marriage is a voluntary institution. If you don&#8217;t want to commit, don&#8217;t get married.</p>
<p>However, what liberals seek to do is not protect freedom, but undermine commitment. Just as they want the Constitution to be a &#8220;living breathing&#8221; document that means whatever the hell they want it to mean, instead of a contractual commitment, or the way liberals insist election laws are meaningless when they lose, likewise they advanced &#8220;no-fault&#8221; divorce. </p>
<p>But voluntary commitment is essential to maintaining freedom. Freedom is illusory in a society where rules don&#8217;t mean what they say and contracts aren&#8217;t worth the paper they are printed on. That would be anarchy, and anarchy is only a temporary state that always leads to tyranny. </p>
<p>You are free to purse happiness because we all agreed to forgo the freedom to kill you should the idea tickle our fancy. Marriage is likewise strengthened by commitment. And liberalism has only harmed marriage and harmed society by undermining that commitment. </p>
<p>The rest of your examples are dull witted non-sequiturs that I&#8217;m not even going to bother with.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-387482</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and you wonder why even the conservatives on this blog think you&#039;re crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and you wonder why even the conservatives on this blog think you&#8217;re crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-387468</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NDT: &quot;The fact that boob and his fellow gay leftists shriek against no-fault divorce as being against their â€œfreedomâ€ shows the obsession that boob and his leftist ilk have with twisting marriage. They have no intention of honoring commitment; they want promiscuous sex with as many people as possible, and they want their â€œspousesâ€ unable to take legal recourse against them for doing it.&quot;

1) i was not giving my opinion of no-fault divorce in that argument; i was pointing out a contradiction.

2) last i checked, no-fault divorce was implemented by heterosexuals for heterosexual marriage.

3) number of times i have cheated on someone: zero.

moving on... in #48 you call me a &quot;hateful bigot&quot; who insults anyone who disagrees with me...and then you...insult me...for...disagreeing with you.

w.o.w.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NDT: &#8220;The fact that boob and his fellow gay leftists shriek against no-fault divorce as being against their â€œfreedomâ€ shows the obsession that boob and his leftist ilk have with twisting marriage. They have no intention of honoring commitment; they want promiscuous sex with as many people as possible, and they want their â€œspousesâ€ unable to take legal recourse against them for doing it.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) i was not giving my opinion of no-fault divorce in that argument; i was pointing out a contradiction.</p>
<p>2) last i checked, no-fault divorce was implemented by heterosexuals for heterosexual marriage.</p>
<p>3) number of times i have cheated on someone: zero.</p>
<p>moving on&#8230; in #48 you call me a &#8220;hateful bigot&#8221; who insults anyone who disagrees with me&#8230;and then you&#8230;insult me&#8230;for&#8230;disagreeing with you.</p>
<p>w.o.w.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-387456</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps.  or perhaps it makes you a liar and a sociopath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps.  or perhaps it makes you a liar and a sociopath.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-387357</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, boob&#039;s constant attempts to insult heliotrope just demonstrate more and more heliotrope&#039;s point, that boob is a hateful bigot with an agenda who screams insults and namecalls anyone who dares disagree. 

Why should we believe that boob behaves any differently in public that he does here? Wouldn&#039;t that make boob a hypocrite and contradictory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, boob&#8217;s constant attempts to insult heliotrope just demonstrate more and more heliotrope&#8217;s point, that boob is a hateful bigot with an agenda who screams insults and namecalls anyone who dares disagree. </p>
<p>Why should we believe that boob behaves any differently in public that he does here? Wouldn&#8217;t that make boob a hypocrite and contradictory?</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-387354</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What boob will never realize, heliotrope, is that restricting divorce is only a limitation on freedom if marriage is an unavoidable state. But, since marriage is a choice freely entered that grants benefits and privileges, one would expect that the recipients thereof would be required to uphold their end of the bargain, just as with any contract.

The fact that boob and his fellow gay leftists shriek against no-fault divorce as being against their &quot;freedom&quot; shows the obsession that boob and his leftist ilk have with twisting marriage. They have no intention of honoring commitment; they want promiscuous sex with as many people as possible, and they want their &quot;spouses&quot; unable to take legal recourse against them for doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What boob will never realize, heliotrope, is that restricting divorce is only a limitation on freedom if marriage is an unavoidable state. But, since marriage is a choice freely entered that grants benefits and privileges, one would expect that the recipients thereof would be required to uphold their end of the bargain, just as with any contract.</p>
<p>The fact that boob and his fellow gay leftists shriek against no-fault divorce as being against their &#8220;freedom&#8221; shows the obsession that boob and his leftist ilk have with twisting marriage. They have no intention of honoring commitment; they want promiscuous sex with as many people as possible, and they want their &#8220;spouses&#8221; unable to take legal recourse against them for doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-387272</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the fact that you didn&#039;t address the substantive points in this argument is telling...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the fact that you didn&#8217;t address the substantive points in this argument is telling&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-387271</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>careful there, heliotrope, you&#039;re not on the clock right now.  wouldn&#039;t want to do your job w/o pay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>careful there, heliotrope, you&#8217;re not on the clock right now.  wouldn&#8217;t want to do your job w/o pay!</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-387258</link>
		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, bob, I completely understand your ability to reason. You can not tell the difference between freedom and license. I suspected as much, but you have gone out of your way to prove it.

As they say at K-Mart, &quot;have a nice day.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, bob, I completely understand your ability to reason. You can not tell the difference between freedom and license. I suspected as much, but you have gone out of your way to prove it.</p>
<p>As they say at K-Mart, &#8220;have a nice day.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/a-conservative-conversation-on-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-387229</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*hands heliotrope his ass*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*hands heliotrope his ass*</p>
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