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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-388379</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>livewire: i&#039;ve made countless substantive comments in this post and others.  the fact that you don&#039;t agree with me doesn&#039;t mean i don&#039;t offer anything to the conversation.

as for the ad hominem, please look at your comment in #83.  how did that offer a substantive argument?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>livewire: i&#8217;ve made countless substantive comments in this post and others.  the fact that you don&#8217;t agree with me doesn&#8217;t mean i don&#8217;t offer anything to the conversation.</p>
<p>as for the ad hominem, please look at your comment in #83.  how did that offer a substantive argument?</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-388010</link>
		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And again, unable to make a point or justify his stupidity, bob resorts to attacking spelling errors.

By the way, it&#039;s &quot;The_Livewire&quot; not livewire, bob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And again, unable to make a point or justify his stupidity, bob resorts to attacking spelling errors.</p>
<p>By the way, it&#8217;s &#8220;The_Livewire&#8221; not livewire, bob.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387785</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and it&#039;s &quot;declare&quot; not declair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and it&#8217;s &#8220;declare&#8221; not declair.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387766</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i generally reserve calling someone an &quot;idiot&quot; or some comparable noun for when he demonstrates a complete and utter inability to actually read arguments and respond intelligently.  having a difference of opinion is fine; not even trying to understand the other side, putting words in the other side&#039;s mouth, and throwing ad hominem attacks don&#039;t advance the argument.  case in point: NDT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i generally reserve calling someone an &#8220;idiot&#8221; or some comparable noun for when he demonstrates a complete and utter inability to actually read arguments and respond intelligently.  having a difference of opinion is fine; not even trying to understand the other side, putting words in the other side&#8217;s mouth, and throwing ad hominem attacks don&#8217;t advance the argument.  case in point: NDT.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387755</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not high on anyone&#039;s list bob.

In fact, your most defining argument is to babble nonsense, declair yourself the winner, then say that anyone who can&#039;t understand your enlightened wisdom is an idiot.

I got over those &#039;debate tactics&#039; in the 4th grade, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not high on anyone&#8217;s list bob.</p>
<p>In fact, your most defining argument is to babble nonsense, declair yourself the winner, then say that anyone who can&#8217;t understand your enlightened wisdom is an idiot.</p>
<p>I got over those &#8216;debate tactics&#8217; in the 4th grade, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387720</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>livewire said: â€œI didnâ€™t insult him in this thread.â€ Yup, thatsâ€™ going to garner as much respect as â€œI didnâ€™t hit my wife today, officer.â€

so my greatest sins are calling heliotrope, in a somewhat tongue-in-cheek manner, a &quot;moron&quot; and pointing out that his attempt to make a point was unsuccessful.  I&#039;ve been called just about every name in the book, including being called a &quot;snake&quot; and being accused of standing on a pile of hippo poo...just in helio&#039;s last post alone.  you can&#039;t make this up, folks.  NDT has called me every name under the sun, accusing me of, just off the top of my head, promiscuity, spreading disease, condoning taking children to sex fairs, etc.  if you all take your blinders off and go back and actually read all the posts, you&#039;ll see that of the invective offenders on this site, i&#039;m not too high on the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>livewire said: â€œI didnâ€™t insult him in this thread.â€ Yup, thatsâ€™ going to garner as much respect as â€œI didnâ€™t hit my wife today, officer.â€</p>
<p>so my greatest sins are calling heliotrope, in a somewhat tongue-in-cheek manner, a &#8220;moron&#8221; and pointing out that his attempt to make a point was unsuccessful.  I&#8217;ve been called just about every name in the book, including being called a &#8220;snake&#8221; and being accused of standing on a pile of hippo poo&#8230;just in helio&#8217;s last post alone.  you can&#8217;t make this up, folks.  NDT has called me every name under the sun, accusing me of, just off the top of my head, promiscuity, spreading disease, condoning taking children to sex fairs, etc.  if you all take your blinders off and go back and actually read all the posts, you&#8217;ll see that of the invective offenders on this site, i&#8217;m not too high on the list.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how exactly did we twist your words, heliotrope?  last i recall, you were the one who accused me of creating a &quot;gay smackdown&quot; when i agreed with another poster that his joke (poking fun at gays) was funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how exactly did we twist your words, heliotrope?  last i recall, you were the one who accused me of creating a &#8220;gay smackdown&#8221; when i agreed with another poster that his joke (poking fun at gays) was funny.</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387646</link>
		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#79 Can we leave furries out of this? *squick*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#79 Can we leave furries out of this? *squick*</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387632</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is there any reason for me not to fear â€œstraightâ€ â€œpeopleâ€?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here&#039;s a clue for you, Attmay: &lt;em&gt;they&#039;re actually not out to get you&lt;/em&gt;.  Here&#039;s another: &lt;em&gt;if they don&#039;t grant you a State marriage license, well, (1) it&#039;s not actually a denial of your rights, and (2) it needn&#039;t have any negative impact on your life&lt;/em&gt;.  Plus, they can be cute, furry and cuddly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is there any reason for me not to fear â€œstraightâ€ â€œpeopleâ€?</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s a clue for you, Attmay: <em>they&#8217;re actually not out to get you</em>.  Here&#8217;s another: <em>if they don&#8217;t grant you a State marriage license, well, (1) it&#8217;s not actually a denial of your rights, and (2) it needn&#8217;t have any negative impact on your life</em>.  Plus, they can be cute, furry and cuddly.</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387620</link>
		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attmay,

Besides the fact that you&#039;re here because of &#039;em?

Though I will give you credit.  in your drama you actually use &#039;phobe&#039; correctly.  As in phobia, an irrational unreasoning fear.

As opposed to &#039;homophobia&#039; n. any position I disagree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attmay,</p>
<p>Besides the fact that you&#8217;re here because of &#8216;em?</p>
<p>Though I will give you credit.  in your drama you actually use &#8216;phobe&#8217; correctly.  As in phobia, an irrational unreasoning fear.</p>
<p>As opposed to &#8216;homophobia&#8217; n. any position I disagree with.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387600</link>
		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words, and I apologize for threatening to pick up my marbles. You folks have a compelling site and your interchange is enlightening and lively. I got too much bob on too many threads going at one time. As a rule, I don&#039;t try to poke sticks at snakes. I am not much inclined to hiss back. 

I greatly admire the pioneer gays who have earned their respect in general society and maintain their conservative values. It is so easy to jump on the liberal bandwagon and demand respect at the point of the government gun loaded with &quot;hate crime&quot; bullets.

Should my son come home with a gay partner, that would be another interesting chapter in my life and we would all proceed to grow and learn together. Should my son tell me he had to fend off a gay advance at work, I would caution him to keep things in perspective and to keep an even keel.

As I read the littleletterpeople, I have come to realize that some gay liberals will twist and turn what they wrote and what others wrote all the while positioning themselves to unleash invective while claiming perfect alignment with the stars.

Some seem to think they can raise their standing by perching on an ever higher pile of hippo poop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words, and I apologize for threatening to pick up my marbles. You folks have a compelling site and your interchange is enlightening and lively. I got too much bob on too many threads going at one time. As a rule, I don&#8217;t try to poke sticks at snakes. I am not much inclined to hiss back. </p>
<p>I greatly admire the pioneer gays who have earned their respect in general society and maintain their conservative values. It is so easy to jump on the liberal bandwagon and demand respect at the point of the government gun loaded with &#8220;hate crime&#8221; bullets.</p>
<p>Should my son come home with a gay partner, that would be another interesting chapter in my life and we would all proceed to grow and learn together. Should my son tell me he had to fend off a gay advance at work, I would caution him to keep things in perspective and to keep an even keel.</p>
<p>As I read the littleletterpeople, I have come to realize that some gay liberals will twist and turn what they wrote and what others wrote all the while positioning themselves to unleash invective while claiming perfect alignment with the stars.</p>
<p>Some seem to think they can raise their standing by perching on an ever higher pile of hippo poop.</p>
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		<title>By: Attmay, a proud heterophobe</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387569</link>
		<dc:creator>Attmay, a proud heterophobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I happen to be a Jew. I used the Holocaust comparison knowing full well that gays were among the victims of the Holocaust. But the Nazis didn&#039;t start with gas chambers. They started small and worked their way up to that.

I am a heterophobe and I&#039;m proud. Is there any reason for me not to fear &quot;straight&quot; &quot;people&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I happen to be a Jew. I used the Holocaust comparison knowing full well that gays were among the victims of the Holocaust. But the Nazis didn&#8217;t start with gas chambers. They started small and worked their way up to that.</p>
<p>I am a heterophobe and I&#8217;m proud. Is there any reason for me not to fear &#8220;straight&#8221; &#8220;people&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387493</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heliotrope, your voice is very welcome and appreciated here! I certainly hope you aren&#039;t going anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heliotrope, your voice is very welcome and appreciated here! I certainly hope you aren&#8217;t going anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387480</link>
		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Via, who gave bob a drool resistant keyboard?

&quot;I didn&#039;t insult him in this thread.&quot; Yup, thats&#039; going to garner as much respect as &quot;I didn&#039;t hit my wife today, officer.&quot;

heliotrope, I do hope your post was sarcasm.  While I&#039;d like to reclaim the &#039;token straight guy&#039; status on the blog, I&#039;m happy with the &#039;token straight D/s guy.&#039;

ILC, that was funny, I&#039;ll be sharing that with friends who are big guitar hero fans. 

bob, Re your disclaimer.  I, heck most people, don&#039;t &#039;define you by being gay&#039;.  Indeed, anyone reading these comments should be able to see there&#039;s no &#039;gay definition&#039;.

As to &#039;gay culture&#039; isn&#039;t such a thing artifical?  By that I mean a recent construct or perceived ways and mores, not gays-as-klingons-artifical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via, who gave bob a drool resistant keyboard?</p>
<p>&#8220;I didn&#8217;t insult him in this thread.&#8221; Yup, thats&#8217; going to garner as much respect as &#8220;I didn&#8217;t hit my wife today, officer.&#8221;</p>
<p>heliotrope, I do hope your post was sarcasm.  While I&#8217;d like to reclaim the &#8216;token straight guy&#8217; status on the blog, I&#8217;m happy with the &#8216;token straight D/s guy.&#8217;</p>
<p>ILC, that was funny, I&#8217;ll be sharing that with friends who are big guitar hero fans. </p>
<p>bob, Re your disclaimer.  I, heck most people, don&#8217;t &#8216;define you by being gay&#8217;.  Indeed, anyone reading these comments should be able to see there&#8217;s no &#8216;gay definition&#8217;.</p>
<p>As to &#8216;gay culture&#8217; isn&#8217;t such a thing artifical?  By that I mean a recent construct or perceived ways and mores, not gays-as-klingons-artifical.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387462</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and do tell...if i&#039;m not out of the closet, how exactly do i use my sexual orientation to &quot;escape the consequences of [my] behavior.&quot; ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and do tell&#8230;if i&#8217;m not out of the closet, how exactly do i use my sexual orientation to &#8220;escape the consequences of [my] behavior.&#8221; ???</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387461</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and i&#039;d still like to know how i was calling for a &quot;gay smackdown&quot; after i told ilc that his joke was actually pretty funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and i&#8217;d still like to know how i was calling for a &#8220;gay smackdown&#8221; after i told ilc that his joke was actually pretty funny.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387458</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but thanks for proving my point in #66.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but thanks for proving my point in #66.</p>
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		<title>By: bob (aka boob)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387457</link>
		<dc:creator>bob (aka boob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually what i said was i had not called him stupid in that particular thread.  read much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually what i said was i had not called him stupid in that particular thread.  read much?</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/12/gay-acivists-becoming-the-haters/comment-page-2/#comment-387362</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, boob has been caught in another one of his lies.

boob claims he has never namecalled or insulted heliotrope, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gaypatriot.net/?comments_popup=9500#comment-387206&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; starting in this thread&lt;/a&gt;, he refers to heliotrope as &quot;dense&quot;, says his statements are &quot;mindless&quot;, and directly calls heliotrope a &quot;moron&quot;.

Boob is a liar and a bigot who is obviously used to using his sexual orientation to escape the consequences of his behavior. Treat accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, boob has been caught in another one of his lies.</p>
<p>boob claims he has never namecalled or insulted heliotrope, but <a href="http://www.gaypatriot.net/?comments_popup=9500#comment-387206" rel="nofollow"> starting in this thread</a>, he refers to heliotrope as &#8220;dense&#8221;, says his statements are &#8220;mindless&#8221;, and directly calls heliotrope a &#8220;moron&#8221;.</p>
<p>Boob is a liar and a bigot who is obviously used to using his sexual orientation to escape the consequences of his behavior. Treat accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Look, I am not a â€œwelcomeâ€ voice on Gay Patriot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;heliotrope, are you kidding?  We love reading you!  Stay, stay, stay!&lt;blockquote&gt;Seriously, I donâ€™t find a lot of straight posters here&lt;/blockquote&gt;That means you add an important element of variety, or a &quot;different&quot; perspective, shall we say.  And there are some straight commentors.  I think The Livewire has said he is straight, and many other commentors.&lt;blockquote&gt;ILC, glad you at ease with your mates.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I hope you understand that I&#039;m just injecting a bit of levity in the thread.  Sorry if it obfuscates your argument at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Look, I am not a â€œwelcomeâ€ voice on Gay Patriot.</p></blockquote>
<p>heliotrope, are you kidding?  We love reading you!  Stay, stay, stay!<br />
<blockquote>Seriously, I donâ€™t find a lot of straight posters here</p></blockquote>
<p>That means you add an important element of variety, or a &#8220;different&#8221; perspective, shall we say.  And there are some straight commentors.  I think The Livewire has said he is straight, and many other commentors.<br />
<blockquote>ILC, glad you at ease with your mates.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope you understand that I&#8217;m just injecting a bit of levity in the thread.  Sorry if it obfuscates your argument at all.</p>
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