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		<title>By: Attmay</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/18/when-kindness-doesnt-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-390338</link>
		<dc:creator>Attmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kindness also doesn&#039;t pay against bigots, haters, and anyone who wants a form of marriage apartheid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kindness also doesn&#8217;t pay against bigots, haters, and anyone who wants a form of marriage apartheid.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/18/when-kindness-doesnt-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-389166</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leah, thanks for your work with Op Gratitude!

There is another type of altruism that Rand was very concerned to stamp out, namely the Auguste Comte type of idea that self-sacrifice is ethically mandatory and service to others is the only justification of a person&#039;s existence.  I have a comment about it that is presently caught in the filter.  Not to repeat myself, but she felt that that type of thinking was the root of all dictatorship (because it took away people&#039;s moral stature to say No to the State).

By the time she was done stamping it out, and justifying an individual&#039;s right to live for his or her own sake, and being an atheist etc. etc. - perhaps you could take her in a narcissistic way.  But I don&#039;t find that to be a fair and accurate reading of her, and some of her followers have defined her concept of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Ethics_Benevolence.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;benevolence&lt;/a&gt; toward others as distinct from Auguste Comte altruism, and as one of the Objectivist virtues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leah, thanks for your work with Op Gratitude!</p>
<p>There is another type of altruism that Rand was very concerned to stamp out, namely the Auguste Comte type of idea that self-sacrifice is ethically mandatory and service to others is the only justification of a person&#8217;s existence.  I have a comment about it that is presently caught in the filter.  Not to repeat myself, but she felt that that type of thinking was the root of all dictatorship (because it took away people&#8217;s moral stature to say No to the State).</p>
<p>By the time she was done stamping it out, and justifying an individual&#8217;s right to live for his or her own sake, and being an atheist etc. etc. &#8211; perhaps you could take her in a narcissistic way.  But I don&#8217;t find that to be a fair and accurate reading of her, and some of her followers have defined her concept of <a href="http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Ethics_Benevolence.html" rel="nofollow">benevolence</a> toward others as distinct from Auguste Comte altruism, and as one of the Objectivist virtues.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ILC thanks for your explanation of Ayn Rand&#039;s philosophy. It&#039;s been a long time since I read her, and I remember a sense of narcissistic selfishness. I think you got it right.

Gene, a wonderful organization that is completely volunteer run and uses 100% of donations for the troops is Operation Gratitude.
http://www.opgratitude.com/
Yeah, this is a little bit of self promotion. I&#039;ve been volunteering there for over 5 years. It&#039;s America at it&#039;s best, and the joy we have brought to 450,000 servicemen and women is beyond description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ILC thanks for your explanation of Ayn Rand&#8217;s philosophy. It&#8217;s been a long time since I read her, and I remember a sense of narcissistic selfishness. I think you got it right.</p>
<p>Gene, a wonderful organization that is completely volunteer run and uses 100% of donations for the troops is Operation Gratitude.<br />
<a href="http://www.opgratitude.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.opgratitude.com/</a><br />
Yeah, this is a little bit of self promotion. I&#8217;ve been volunteering there for over 5 years. It&#8217;s America at it&#8217;s best, and the joy we have brought to 450,000 servicemen and women is beyond description.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that Obamateleprompter wants to charge wounded vets for their health care and raise taxes on charitable contributions, it is more important than ever that we find a way to fund worthy charities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that Obamateleprompter wants to charge wounded vets for their health care and raise taxes on charitable contributions, it is more important than ever that we find a way to fund worthy charities.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the heat of the Iraq war I was donating to as many as four supposed vets charity groups. Until I saw a report on Dateline or one of those shows that detailed how at least 2 of the groups I had been donating to were basically shams. They had employed all the members of one particular family with salaries of 100-200k. And spent 80% of the remaining money on soliciting and administration. Obviously I stopped donating to these kinds of groups. And now if I want to donate I give to the USO or the Amer Legion. Like GPW  I do want to feel good about my donation. It always makes me feel more like a human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the heat of the Iraq war I was donating to as many as four supposed vets charity groups. Until I saw a report on Dateline or one of those shows that detailed how at least 2 of the groups I had been donating to were basically shams. They had employed all the members of one particular family with salaries of 100-200k. And spent 80% of the remaining money on soliciting and administration. Obviously I stopped donating to these kinds of groups. And now if I want to donate I give to the USO or the Amer Legion. Like GPW  I do want to feel good about my donation. It always makes me feel more like a human being.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was an interesting post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was an interesting post.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe Iâ€™m not so altruistic after all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism_(ethics)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia, on altruism as a formal ethical or political doctrine:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The word &quot;altruism&quot; (French, altruisme, from autrui: &quot;other people&quot;...) was coined by Auguste Comte, the French founder of positivism... Comte says, in his Catechisme Positiviste [1], that: â€œ[The] social point of view cannot tolerate the notion of rights, for such notion rests on individualism. We are born under a load of obligations of every kind... [Man must serve] Humanity, whose we are entirely.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Rand wanted to destroy that kind of altruism specifically, seeing it as the root of totalitarian dictatorship.  Because who then decides what is and is not appropriate &quot;service to Humanity&quot;?  The State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe Iâ€™m not so altruistic after all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism_(ethics)" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia, on altruism as a formal ethical or political doctrine:</a><br />
<blockquote>The word &#8220;altruism&#8221; (French, altruisme, from autrui: &#8220;other people&#8221;&#8230;) was coined by Auguste Comte, the French founder of positivism&#8230; Comte says, in his Catechisme Positiviste [1], that: â€œ[The] social point of view cannot tolerate the notion of rights, for such notion rests on individualism. We are born under a load of obligations of every kind&#8230; [Man must serve] Humanity, whose we are entirely.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Rand wanted to destroy that kind of altruism specifically, seeing it as the root of totalitarian dictatorship.  Because who then decides what is and is not appropriate &#8220;service to Humanity&#8221;?  The State.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe Ayn Rand had a point about altruism.  Have you ever gone out of your way to help someone and find they keep asking for favors?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Altruism is a misunderstood concept.  In ordinary language, we use it a bit incorrectly to mean any kind of regard for the welfare of others - be it rational or irrational, selfish or unselfish.

Rand advocated rational, &quot;selfish&quot; (or what we might call self-respecting; self-aware) regard for the welfare of others.  You help people in accordance with their degree of importance to you, the fairness of their requests/expectations, and so forth.  If someone you love has a reasonable request, of course you help them.  You&#039;d be an idiot not to.  If someone you don&#039;t love has an unreasonable request, you should certainly think twice about helping them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe Ayn Rand had a point about altruism.  Have you ever gone out of your way to help someone and find they keep asking for favors?</p></blockquote>
<p>Altruism is a misunderstood concept.  In ordinary language, we use it a bit incorrectly to mean any kind of regard for the welfare of others &#8211; be it rational or irrational, selfish or unselfish.</p>
<p>Rand advocated rational, &#8220;selfish&#8221; (or what we might call self-respecting; self-aware) regard for the welfare of others.  You help people in accordance with their degree of importance to you, the fairness of their requests/expectations, and so forth.  If someone you love has a reasonable request, of course you help them.  You&#8217;d be an idiot not to.  If someone you don&#8217;t love has an unreasonable request, you should certainly think twice about helping them.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I begin to wonder if they spend as much money in asking for money as they do in helping the people they claim theyâ€™re helping.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Some of them spend more.  BTW, this a good resource for checking out how efficient charities are, with your dollars: http://www.charitynavigator.org
I don&#039;t know if it covers political groups; if anyone knows of a similar site for political groups, please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I begin to wonder if they spend as much money in asking for money as they do in helping the people they claim theyâ€™re helping.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some of them spend more.  BTW, this a good resource for checking out how efficient charities are, with your dollars: <a href="http://www.charitynavigator.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.charitynavigator.org</a><br />
I don&#8217;t know if it covers political groups; if anyone knows of a similar site for political groups, please let me know.</p>
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