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Way to go Mr. Bush, but alas I am not as classy as you. Remember those two dozen DVDs that classy and intelligent and ready from day ONE Pres. Obama gave to British PM Brown on his first state visit a couple of weeks ago? Well some of us joked that Obama’s team was so clueless they probably gave him US region DVDs that are unplayable in Britain, but never really believing that Obama’s state of the art team was that far gone from reality. After all Obama and his team were the Internet top dogs in the last campaign. So if anyone should know about these DVD accessibility issues, it would be Hillary and Obama, n’est pas? (Love throwing in the French to piss of any liberal readers you have-salt in the wound berating them in their mother tongue). Well, the NY Post on p.10 today, March 20, 2009, reports in a one inch blurb, that PM Brown decided to have a go with one of the DVDs graciously bestowed upon him by the Obamessiah from that visit. He put it in the machine, and these words appeared on the screen “WRONG REGION!” Maybe the TOTUS in Chief, has conspired with Brown’s DVD player? Or maybe Obama’s crack State Department team (the one that was clueless about how to translate ‘reset’ into Russian-doesn’t anyone at State have Condi’s home number?) in fact gave USA Region DVDs to the British PM! What a goof. And the late night yakkers say Obama can’t be satirized? You can’t make this stuff up.
Comment by eaglewingz08 — March 20, 2009 @ 8:26 am - March 20, 2009
It’s just a shame Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton didn’t have that much class. They just couldn’t help themselves. And Carter was no one to talk after that fiasco of a presidency.
I knew Bush would be content to do the right thing.
Comment by Anniee451 — March 20, 2009 @ 9:38 am - March 20, 2009
It’s not class. It’s just Bush’s utter lack of intellectual substance. I’m delighted to hear Cheney’s idea about the current administration.
We need them.
Comment by aeshna23 — March 20, 2009 @ 9:47 am - March 20, 2009
Bush’s gentlemanliness was also his greatest virtue… and his greatest handicap.
Comment by V the K — March 20, 2009 @ 9:47 am - March 20, 2009
What?
The man who was the moral equivalent of Adolf Hitler displays class? Even to a president who constantly blames him for everything under the sun?
This just can’t be!
Comment by Classical Liberal Dave — March 20, 2009 @ 10:05 am - March 20, 2009
FIRST CLASS!!!!
You can tell where the o”s were raised……..green dye in the beautiful South Lawn fountain….awful swing set near the Oval…..now a “kitchen” garden on the South Lawn…
When the Clinton’s moved out, I did not think there were anymore “trailer park: folks around, but I was wrong, they were just being raised in Chicago, Kansas and Hawaii.
The last straw was the “kitchen” garden……. give me a break, you can’t put it out of sight. And I understand the green in the fountain was MO’s idea, how tacky can you get. She really is low class……….
Comment by PatriotMom — March 20, 2009 @ 10:08 am - March 20, 2009
At least, President Bush 43 should say something like, “I would never make a joke about the Special Olympics. I’d never get away with it if I had.”
Comment by Julie the Jarhead — March 20, 2009 @ 10:08 am - March 20, 2009
Compare and contrast with the current resident of the White House, making jokes about the handicapped on the Tonight Show.
M’chel Obama has a downright mean husband.
Comment by V the K — March 20, 2009 @ 10:12 am - March 20, 2009
I was wondering when Differently Abled Dave will come out and declare Obama a “monster” for making fun of the handicapped?
Comment by American Elephant — March 20, 2009 @ 10:51 am - March 20, 2009
Oh, c’mon, Bush is just being quiet because he wants to be noticed. —or something— anyway, the litlleletterpeople will explain it.
Comment by heliotrope — March 20, 2009 @ 10:58 am - March 20, 2009
I think MO is just as mean, if not worse, than her husband
Comment by PatriotMom — March 20, 2009 @ 11:44 am - March 20, 2009
The Obamas – no class, all a$$.
Regards,
Peter H.
Comment by Peter Hughes — March 20, 2009 @ 11:50 am - March 20, 2009
I’m a volunteer with our local Special Olympics. Obamateleprompters remards about our kids was awful. This morning I was with two of those special needs children. One still had on her Obama braclet from the election. She had tears in her eyes when she asked my why “President Barack” would takk about her friends and her like that. I didn’t know what to tell the little girl.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — March 20, 2009 @ 12:25 pm - March 20, 2009
As Rush just mentioned, Sarah Palin has said that she intends for the Special Olympics to be a big part of Trig’s life.
Could there be a starker contrast between the meanness of the enlightened left, and the real character of the conservative right?
Comment by V the K — March 20, 2009 @ 12:27 pm - March 20, 2009
Compare and Contrast.
Comment by V the K — March 20, 2009 @ 12:30 pm - March 20, 2009
I use to think it sad and bizarre that Obama teleprompter had to use a teleprompter 95% of the time. After last nights attacking our Special Olympics kids on Leno, I’d like to ask our President to use a teleprompter 100% of the time. Please.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — March 20, 2009 @ 12:32 pm - March 20, 2009
The media forgot to mention, on Thursday it was announced that another 625,000 Americans were thrown out of work. The same day Obamateleprompter chose to go on late night and make jokes and do skits. A day after our President spent his time doing basketball brackets on ESPN. Are there any adults around who could ask the President to be an adult and work on the problems of his recession? The CBO announced today that Obamateleprompters budget deficeit projections are off by ONE TRILLION DOLLARS! One trillion dollars. Off by one trillion dollars. Mr President, I’m sorry, unlike the media, I don’t see the joke here. I don’t get the joke. I don’t think this is funny or comical.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — March 20, 2009 @ 12:38 pm - March 20, 2009
Classless people will never recognize class in others. President Bush is the epitome of class. Always was.
Don’t get me started on the new couple in the White House.
Gene, you are so right, put Obama and his wife on Telepromter 24/7!!
I’m listening to Rush now, I haven’t heard him so angry in a long time. And he speaks for me.
I wanted to like this president, I didn’t vote for him, but I had hoped that America wouldn’t make an awful mistake, well, they did, and we are all paying the price.
Comment by Leah — March 20, 2009 @ 12:48 pm - March 20, 2009
Would you care to see how a President with class, a President who cares, loves our special needs children?
http://search.archives.gov/query-bush.html?qt=%22special+olympics%22&rq=0&qs=&qc=bush2&col=bush2&pw=100%25&submit.x=36&submit.y=12
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — March 20, 2009 @ 12:57 pm - March 20, 2009
This is worse that I thought
Comment by PatriotMom — March 20, 2009 @ 1:13 pm - March 20, 2009
That got a lol from me
Sidebar – putting together “Obamaprompter” and “the Dear Leader”, I think I’ll start calling Him the Dear Teleprompter. You heard it here first.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 20, 2009 @ 1:17 pm - March 20, 2009
Just noticing something. Where are our critics on this thread? They’re usually so eager to chime in.
Comment by GayPatriotWest — March 20, 2009 @ 1:24 pm - March 20, 2009
#21 – They’re all congregating around PMSNBC, who is covering up for Dear Teleprompter as usual. (H/T ILC)
Regards,
Peter H.
Comment by Peter Hughes — March 20, 2009 @ 1:29 pm - March 20, 2009
The TOTUS is upset that President Obama imporvised and is slow getting the talking points out to the masses as payback
Comment by The Livewire — March 20, 2009 @ 1:30 pm - March 20, 2009
Yep, George is one classy guy.
Comment by Ignatius — March 20, 2009 @ 1:48 pm - March 20, 2009
Notice how President Bush was joking around with people he knows, off camera. Everyone jokes around with their peers. But even then, notice how he disparages and demeans no one.
Obama was addressing the largest nationwide audience he could find and chose to put down the most vulnerable to elevate himself in front of everyone.
Comment by American Elephant — March 20, 2009 @ 2:49 pm - March 20, 2009
#21 I’ve been asking all week where the leftists were on this blog. I needed their insight into
a)Obamateleprompters falling poll numbers.
b)What they thought of firing Geithner
c)If they agreed with taxing any American 90% who has a valid contract for services. Which many people say is unconstitutional.
d)If the leftists know when Obamateleprompter will have the Treasury Dept staffed up.
e)Do they think it is wise for the President to spew tons of carbon into the atmosphere to get to the Leno show to crack jokes, do skits and attack Special Olympics children.
f)Which of the Democrats is to blame for allowing the AIG bonuses to go forward, when Treasury knew months ago, and the White House knew months ago.
g)What do the leftists think of Sen Dodd lying then finally telling the truth days later that his office put the wording in the bill to allow the bonuses.
h)Should Geithner be reassigned to the commerce/census dept.
i)Should Dodd resign or be impeached.
j)Why are the Dems embargoing the video of the President speaking the Irish PM’s speech on his teleprompter.
k) Do they think it tacky at all that Obamateleprompters wife is putting green food coloring in the fountains on holidays. And digging up the south lawn to plant some tomato plants?
l)Did they think it was an appropriate gift to give the PM of Britain a set of 20 DVD’s that he could have gotten at Blockbusters for about $30. Now today we find out the DVD’s were in the North American format. When the PM sat down to watch one, you know in EUROPE …..they didn’t work.
All these and more. I’d like reactions about Obamateleprompter from our leftist friends here. All these and more, just from this week.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — March 20, 2009 @ 2:51 pm - March 20, 2009
Notice how President Bush was joking around with people he knows, off camera.
Notice how President Bush is on camera, thus enabling our ability to view his actions on YouTube.
But even then, notice how he disparages and demeans no one.
Any President demeans the office by engaging in such behavior. No one is equating Obama’s joking comments with Bush’s joking behavior. The title of the blog entry is The Class of George W. Bush.
Comment by Ignatius — March 20, 2009 @ 2:57 pm - March 20, 2009
#27 Iggie I’m glad you re here. Please help me out with #26.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — March 20, 2009 @ 3:06 pm - March 20, 2009
Bush wasn’t President when he did that idiot. YouTube didnt exist! Notice he looks about 20 years younger! He was probably with the Texas Rangers baseball team at that point.
Holy cow are you really this pathetic of an upsucking sphincter kissing apologist?
Comment by American Elephant — March 20, 2009 @ 3:07 pm - March 20, 2009
(ILC chuckles, then carefully clamps mouth shut)
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 20, 2009 @ 3:21 pm - March 20, 2009
#8: He’s a jackass. He shouldn’t make fun of people who would make a better president than he has proven to be thus far.
Comment by Attmay — March 20, 2009 @ 3:27 pm - March 20, 2009
#28 What kind of help would you like/do you need? Seems that you’ve got the Obama administration covered.
#29 You claimed he was off camera. I claim he’s on camera. Which is it? And again, the title of the blog entry is The Class of George W. Bush. Which of us is the, uh, “…pathetic of an upsucking sphincter kissing apologist”?
Comment by Ignatius — March 20, 2009 @ 4:29 pm - March 20, 2009
The comedy stylings of Barack “Shecky” Obama
http://jimtreacher.com/archives/002035.html
(I used to have a dog named Shecky)
Comment by V the K — March 20, 2009 @ 4:41 pm - March 20, 2009
Wow, it was just 2 years ago that the Amateur in Chief called for Imus’ firing, saying, “I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus,” Obama told ABC News, “but I would also say that there’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3031317&page=1
Comment by Patriot Goddess — March 20, 2009 @ 5:02 pm - March 20, 2009
No I claimed he was joking around with his friends who were off camera. As opposed to Obama who thought it would be funny to make fun of retarded people in front of the whole world.
The first is normal behavior that everyone engages in, the second is utterly classless behavior that only the most incompetent inexperienced clueless f*ckwit could engage in.
Comment by American Elephant — March 20, 2009 @ 5:09 pm - March 20, 2009
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Comment by American Elephant — March 20, 2009 @ 5:10 pm - March 20, 2009
So according to Obama, Obama should step down.
Comment by American Elephant — March 20, 2009 @ 5:11 pm - March 20, 2009
You mean like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTJs0VRJLO8
And this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnEhmbKazdw
And quit playing semantics. You know damn well what AE meant.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — March 20, 2009 @ 5:28 pm - March 20, 2009
#35 No matter who is out of the camera’s view, Bush is in the camera’s view. You’re right, he’s joking with those who are off-camera. But he’s on-camera and it is his behavior I’m holding up as an example of less-than-classy behavior. For the third time, I’m responding to the title of GPW’s post. My comment and example had nothing to do with Obama’s “joke” and I never mentioned it until you made the comparison. By posting a link to Bush flipping off the camera, I’m not inferring that he’s just as bad as Obama — I’m inferring that he’s NOT CLASSY. My comments have nothing to do with Obama. Get it?
I disagree that flipping off the camera is normal behavior and something everyone engages in and that making fun of a group of people who are handicapped is something no one except “…only the most incompetent inexperienced clueless f*ckwit…” would engage in. I’d say it’s far more common for people to do the latter than the former, but we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Perhaps we can both agree that both are classless acts. Judging from your comments, however, I doubt you could agree with me no matter how similar our positions on any issue.
#38 See above.
Comment by Ignatius — March 20, 2009 @ 5:48 pm - March 20, 2009
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Comment by Ignatius — March 20, 2009 @ 5:49 pm - March 20, 2009
And yet, listening to Glenn Beck, I am reminded of a time when George W Bush was not a good man, when he was not a gentleman, when he allowed his myopic political vision and cronyism lead him to imprison good men for political reasons.
Ignacio Ramos called into Glenn’s show today.
Comment by V the K — March 20, 2009 @ 6:40 pm - March 20, 2009
OMG, You can’t this make this up! A left-wing blogger is defending Obama’s gaffes as follows: “But in a way, it’s heartening to hear our politicians stumble over words, mangle syntax and make inappropriate jokes. It shows politicians are human, too. Sometimes.”
When Bush did it, it meant that he was an idiotic chimp. When Obama does it, it makes him more “human.”
Comment by V the K — March 20, 2009 @ 6:49 pm - March 20, 2009
ha.
Comment by bob (aka boob) — March 20, 2009 @ 7:44 pm - March 20, 2009
Much to my surprise, I find myself missing GWB… I didn’t think that would happen this quickly.
GWB is wise to observe the tradition that presidents don’t comment about their successors.
Obama’s (and his fellow libs’) policies so far are manifest failures. I just hope people notice before it’s too late (and it may be too late already).
Comment by SoCalRobert — March 20, 2009 @ 8:09 pm - March 20, 2009
Responses from a ‘leftist’, albeit a british male who is a student of American politics, not a participant in:
a)Obamateleprompters falling poll numbers – Hope and change were an advertising campaign. it encouraged uninformed citizens to make irrational choices. both parties did this.
b)What they thought of firing Geithner – I was unhappy with hiring Geithner in the first place.
c)If they agreed with taxing any American 90% who has a valid contract for services. Which many people say is unconstitutional – I think there might have been a time when there was a legislative window to make provisions prohibiting exorbitant bonuses. that moment of, as the courts say, ‘ripeness’ has passed, and so we have a rotten bill.
d)If the leftists know when Obamateleprompter will have the Treasury Dept staffed up – Nope.
e)Do they think it is wise for the President to spew tons of carbon into the atmosphere to get to the Leno show to crack jokes, do skits and attack Special Olympics children – No, but the overture to Iran was a piece of public diplomacy awesomeness. its a mixed picture on the message front.
f)Which of the Democrats is to blame for allowing the AIG bonuses to go forward, when Treasury knew months ago, and the White House knew months ago – Dodd, Frank, a big list of incompetant boobs. but i’m not part of the system, just an observer.
g)What do the leftists think of Sen Dodd lying then finally telling the truth days later that his office put the wording in the bill to allow the bonuses – Sounds like business as usual. it doesn’t sound like some weird communist overtake of the country like many on the fringe suggest.
h)Should Geithner be reassigned to the commerce/census dept – If it becomes politically expediant.
i)Should Dodd resign or be impeached – If it becomes politically expediant.
j)Why are the Dems embargoing the video of the President speaking the Irish PM’s speech on his teleprompter – Dont know what you’re talking about.
k) Do they think it tacky at all that Obamateleprompters wife is putting green food coloring in the fountains on holidays. And digging up the south lawn to plant some tomato plants? – My mother has a vegetable garden and we grow cucumbers and tomatoes in a big greenhouse. why is growing plants different to growing flowers? they have different kinds of utility, but neither is invalid.
l)Did they think it was an appropriate gift to give the PM of Britain a set of 20 DVD’s that he could have gotten at Blockbusters for about $30. Now today we find out the DVD’s were in the North American format. When the PM sat down to watch one, you know in EUROPE …..they didn’t work – It was a political move. As a british subject, I know the political position brown is in. it isn’t good. he’s either going to be ousted from power in the next election or replaced from his own ranks. Obama was probably just making nice untill a more popular head of government was elected. He doesn’t have a lot of political capital invested in england.
Comment by Scottland — March 20, 2009 @ 8:17 pm - March 20, 2009
FILTERED.
Comment by Scottland — March 20, 2009 @ 8:17 pm - March 20, 2009
He doesn’t have a lot of political capital invested in england.
Foreign opinion was certainly an enhancement to Barry’s sliver of a resume during the campaign. Did you see his speech given in Germany and the collective orgasmic aftermath here in the States? Democrats have a great deal of respect for foreign opinion and thus have invested a great deal of political capital in the opinions of heads of state and their subjects. Your opinion of Obama is undoubtedly held in higher regard than mine.
Comment by Ignatius — March 20, 2009 @ 9:04 pm - March 20, 2009
Yes, Ignoramus, I can agree that I will not agree with you. Flipping your friends the bird in a situation that was never meant for broadcast is not classless, its normal jocular banter among peers. Putting down retarded people to elevate yourself in a broadcast to the nation is the epitome of classlessness.
And if you think its far more normal to put down retarded people in front of an audience than to flip the bird to a friend while joking around in private, I think you only illustrate that you have no idea what class is.
Comment by American Elephant — March 21, 2009 @ 2:39 am - March 21, 2009
re: #47 – You are right in that Obama has an allure amongst the chattering classes of europe. Its a soft power tactic; you dont reallly change much of the platform of American engagement with the rest of the world, but you make it look better. Joseph Nye is the guy to look at regarding the phenomenon. Brown, in prime ministers questions, has frequently sought to make his agenda appear to be in lockstep with the Obama agenda, in order to improve his domestic image. bearing in mind he’s part of the government that lied Britain into war, it rings hollow. Obama certainly gave Brown a slap in the face, my guess is that it was a message that he shouldn’t expect many photo opportunities in order to enhance his own political standing.
Comment by Scottland — March 21, 2009 @ 4:19 am - March 21, 2009
Sorry, I can’t resist jumping in.
No, Iggy. For the third time, you’re showing foolishness. Let’s review. This is was the totality of GPW’s post:
It makes undeniable points:
- That Bush recently said “There are plenty of critics in the arena. He deserves my silence.â€
- That Bush has not much criticized Obama.
- That Bush not much criticizing Obama shows class, or grace, or admirable gentleman-like qualities, or whatever you want to call it.
How can any rational person deny those points? But sure enough, you, Iggy, having a track record on this blog of not being able to stand-or-understand plain English, and equally of not being able to stand anyone (even GPW) having an opinion or an emotion of admiration that you didn’t pre-approve, attempt to deny it.
So, what do you do, by way of denying it? You offer a YouTube video of Bush as a young(er) guy giving the finger as an off-record joke, insulting no one. Pathetic. Why pathetic?
1) What are you, a 100-year-old woman?
2) Why is it somehow not-classy, or disproof of class, that somebody jokes around? Especially when that joking-around is both off-the-record (in the journalistic sense) and in no way mean-spirited or intended to degrade anyone?
3) GPW’s post referred to the recent classiness that President Bush has shown in not being eager to criticize Obama. HOW, pray tell (and you still haven’t told), does a pre-presidential Bush joking around off-the-record change *that*? Or have anything to do with it? In what *warped philosophy* of yours, Iggy, is the positive value and moral stature of one action to be undermined by a different action even though the latter was both harmless and very much unrelated?
4) The very enterprise of your trying to piss on GPW’s expression of admiration for an incident or instance that (a) really did happen and (b) arguably is admirable, is pathetic, i.e., per se not-admirable.
Next, AE calls you some names, which I got a chuckle from but hereby do not endorse. Feeling the sting, you dig your hole deeper, asking:
Even though the answer is both obvious AND IRRELEVANT – because the video itself is, again, irrelevant as an answer to GPW’s post: Bush is on-camera, but off-the-record in the video-journalism sense. Argument settled and Big Whoop. But no, you have to dig in again:
Again: WHY? I see your point, and I find that it is both negative and irrelevant. You’re not making a point worth reading; just showing the GP blog your negativity, as is your habit.
For the third time (in this comment): You’re not. Again, how is/was your citation of the earlier Bush video **in any way responsive** to the title of GPW’s post?
Answer: It wasn’t. See point (3) above. There is no logical or morally valid connection between GPW’s post and any of your responses, in this thread so far. There is a definite incidental connection – the fact that GPW’s post triggered your responses – but that’s it. The incidental connection, in the end, underscores the negativity and irrelevance of your responses thus far.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 21, 2009 @ 6:19 am - March 21, 2009
To summarize the above: Your responses in this thread to GPW’s post/title, Iggy, haven’t been logical or worthwhile responses, but simply you being negative and irrelevant.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 21, 2009 @ 6:42 am - March 21, 2009
#48 Once again, you made the comparison to Obama’s “joke”, not I. Reread what I wrote, repeatedly if necessary, so that you understand that. My original post had nothing to do with Obama — only with George W. Bush. Once you understand that, you can realize your mistake and move on.
#50 The blog governess is still feeling the sting over Ayn Rand, apparently.
Comment by Ignatius — March 21, 2009 @ 11:24 am - March 21, 2009
Translation: Iggy’s got nothing.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 21, 2009 @ 11:58 am - March 21, 2009
Iggy makes a point. The GWB clip he talks about was an unguarded moment so long ago before GWB was President. It might be instructive to see Obamateleprompters “unguarded comments” and jokes about our Special Olympics children when he WASN’T preped for a national television performance. I’d bet Obamateleprompters unguarded comments about the weak needy might be even more horrible and troubling.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — March 21, 2009 @ 12:02 pm - March 21, 2009
Scottland, thanks for responding. You helped me with about a third of my questions. I wish my leftists American friends would address Obamateleprompters last week of gaffes and bumbles.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — March 21, 2009 @ 12:04 pm - March 21, 2009
Remember Obamateleprompter won by 5 million votes. If 5 million and one voters changed their minds, a weak Republican McCain would be President. I’m not hearing lately about CHANGE, YES WE CAN, COMPETENCE, POST PARTISIANSHIP, WE KNOW WHAT TO DO, all the things that swung those 5 million and one voters a long 5 months ago.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — March 21, 2009 @ 12:07 pm - March 21, 2009
Now Gene, you’re expressing positive feelings, or making positive statements. Did you get Iggy’s pre-approval? I don’t think so
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 21, 2009 @ 12:31 pm - March 21, 2009
Gene, you get the prize for actually taking what I wrote at face value and understanding it. Thanks for not making false comparisons and not finding a reason to project insecurities that translate into a need to control.
If my comments truly are irrelevant, then they would simply be ignored by those who consider them irrelevant. Obviously, the link I posted struck a chord that some here don’t want to hear/see. I remember hearing an interview with someone who really hated the music of Celine Dion and expressed himself in very angry terms. He insisted she was irrelevant to music, but if that were true, why the tirade? What is it about Dion he found so threatening? The answer: Another opinion.
Public message boards attract all types and in those in which I’ve participated, there is usually a group of regulars, a core online clique who as a group tend to agree with and support one another. This is natural. However, among the clique there are one or two who are bent on maintaining it and so they engage in and enjoy a kind of virtual loyalty that renders open discussion impossible. They’re not interested in discussing issues — they’re interested in a pecking order and are bent on chasing away anyone who threatens it. Thus, the name-calling, the insults, the obfuscation, the distraction, the ad hominems, the assumptions, the mis-characterizations, and all the other methods that indicate what they really, truly lack: lives. For these folks, it isn’t enough to say “Here’s where I disagree with you…” or “If this were true, how would you justify…” or some such; for them, it is not merely a temptation to attack, but a thrill — an opportunity to make themselves feel better not by honest discussion, but dishonest and highly personal projection. It is one thing, for example, to derive humor from something someone says, pointing out the silliness of the statement. But it is quite another to de-humanize. It gives the atmosphere of a tawdry gay bar near closing time where those whose overtures have been rejected engage in a desperate retribution, only to face the same cold loneliness once they turn off their computer and go home.
I’ve come to expect it and I don’t expect it to change. However, I think it’s unfortunate that homosexuals are so willing to engage in this kind of behavior, especially amongst themselves. Perhaps it’s an indication of a loveless existence, where time is ticking away and the opportunities of a satisfying relationship with a real human being is gradually becoming an unattainable goal. The stereotype of the Bitter Old Queen is justified and I feel sorry for him.
I like GayPatriot because of the issues it raises and its interactive format. Unfortunately, there are several participants who prevent it from becoming a welcoming place of open debate where all opinions are judged solely on their merits. As many here know, I frequently disagree with what’s posted here and it is unfortunately taken quite personally no matter how objectively and neutrally I try to state those disagreements. Look at the blow-up in this thread, simply by my posting a link to Bush flipping off the camera. I doubt our resident scratching post bob (aka boob) and I agree on much of anything, but I admire that he continues to post his comments despite the downright nasty treatment he receives from so many here. Does he sometimes engage in bad behavior? Sure, we all do occasionally, but to use him as a continued opportunity to enjoy crushing someone with insults is hardly justified.
My suggestion: Let’s try to be adults and treat each other and ourselves with a bit more respect. We likely agree on a lot of things — why make enemies of each other? If someone states a disagreement, take it at face value and discuss it, respectfully. I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do or control the narrative here as some wish to do, but I encourage all of us to be just a bit kinder. It’s not difficult and you just might make a few friends.
My $0.02.
Comment by Ignatius — March 21, 2009 @ 5:04 pm - March 21, 2009
I find it quite amusing how quickly your collective elephant memories forget just how much you disparaged, a la Judas, GWB after his second election when he came under such criticism for policies that were suddenly “not conservative.” There would have been no way for him to have been elected both times without the collective backing of conservatives. Even before the election I can’t recall how many posts there were on here about how GWB was not “one of us.”
So if he is “classy” all of a sudden for doing what is general protocol of an outgoing president, what does that say of his vice president and associated administrative staff who have recently shot off their mouth at every opportunity with conservative news outlets, even going so far, with Ari Fleisher, to attempt to reinforce disproven issues about WMDs and with others still trying to directly link Saddam Hussein to 9/11.
If he were classy he’d do us, and that includes you, the favor of just fading away. For liberals he reminds us of just how ignoble his administration was, the bad decisions he carried out and the horrible policy he endorsed. For conservatives I’d think he just reminds you of how much political capital he wasted and for his one main achievement in ensuring Republicans and conservatives the minority party for years to come.
His presidency was not classy. It was secretive, paranoid, misdirected, bumbling, wasteful, unproductive, highly partisan, effete, biased, religious, careless, misguided, derelict, negligent, and often just plain bad.
I guess actually in a way I’m truly pleased you all think he’s suddenly such a “classy” guy now that he’s out of office. It shows just how collectively dumb you all are. I hope you continue to put your stock in well-connected morons to make it that much easier for them to be defeated by association. In fact, I think you should endorse Sarah Palin for president in 2012 with Joe the Plumber as her running mate. Nothing says classy like ambitious idiots.
Comment by geroge — March 21, 2009 @ 6:08 pm - March 21, 2009
Irrelevant *and negative*, I said. And, hate to break it to you Iggy, but much (or most) of the time I do ignore you.
Then why do you do it, Iggy?
May I suggest, Iggy, that you then being by practicing what you preach? Lead by example. Remember: You’re someone who can’t even bring yourself to use big-boy words, in half your comments.
On the contrary. It’s what you’ve tried to do in this thread, and in several others I’ve seen.
Projection begins at home. When you point the finger at others, Iggy, you have 3 pointing at you. If you want to be given a different (friendlier) experience from people here, lead by example. Don’t dig in your heels when you’ve said something stupid, and people notice. Don’t lecture others on syndromes that you appear to be suffering from.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 21, 2009 @ 6:15 pm - March 21, 2009
Sorry, typo, “that you then *begin* by practicing what you preach”.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 21, 2009 @ 6:16 pm - March 21, 2009
See what I mean, folks (#61)? The worst offender beautifully illustrates nearly every single one of my points.
Ah, well. No harm in trying.
Comment by Ignatius — March 21, 2009 @ 6:41 pm - March 21, 2009
Out of kindness, Iggy, I’ll give you yet another hint. Just take this bit:
That, right there, is “classic Iggy”. In lecturing your blog-opponents on their alleged use of insult and obfuscation tactics, you… conclude the sentence by casting an insult at them, obfuscating your guilt.
But I’ll give you one thing. At least you wrote it out, this time. If I were you, and if I were behaving as you do in many of your other comments, I would not be doing you the courtesy here of responding in words and thus explaining myself; I would childishly post a comment describing some body sound or other, in one word.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 21, 2009 @ 6:52 pm - March 21, 2009
See what I mean, folks (#64)? The worst offender beautifully illustrates nearly every single one of my points.
Ah, well. No harm in trying.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 21, 2009 @ 6:53 pm - March 21, 2009
Aargh, typo again, meant #63
Sorry.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 21, 2009 @ 6:55 pm - March 21, 2009
Iggy, speaking of words, I’ve been reaching for a more succinct one to describe what you have done in this thread (e.g., your little lecture), and what you seem to do fairly often in your conflicts with people. I had it a couple days ago, then lost it. It just came back. That word is: Posturing.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — March 21, 2009 @ 7:09 pm - March 21, 2009
Hello! First time poster, long time reader! I always knew GWB had class, this just proves it. I love watching the libs react with their gnashing of teeth and their same ol’ hate speak lines. Even though the left absolutely tore him apart, comparing him to hitler and to a freakin chimp, he is confident and STILL wants what is best for this country. Thanks GWB for keeping us safe!
Comment by bazasho — March 22, 2009 @ 6:02 pm - March 22, 2009
Ignatius contends: “See what I mean, folks (#61)? The worst offender beautifully illustrates nearly every single one of my points.”
And then, ILC complains that Ignatius is “posturing”. I think that qualifies as the worst offender charging others with the very thing he repeatedly does with glib abandon.
If it were spring and there were clouds, I’d advise ILC not to go out for fear of tempting God’s lighting to strike him for that charge of others are posturing.
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