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		<title>By: Ignatius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ignatius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not forget Bree (Jane Fonda) in &lt;i&gt;Klute&lt;/i&gt; and Sally (Nancy Allen) in &lt;i&gt;Blow Out&lt;/i&gt;.

Ted, you&#039;re right -- Baker plays an actor, but is his role gay or bisexual for the purposes of furthering his career?  I seem to remember he had a girlfriend...or is that another movie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget Bree (Jane Fonda) in <i>Klute</i> and Sally (Nancy Allen) in <i>Blow Out</i>.</p>
<p>Ted, you&#8217;re right &#8212; Baker plays an actor, but is his role gay or bisexual for the purposes of furthering his career?  I seem to remember he had a girlfriend&#8230;or is that another movie?</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mmmmm, Russell Crowe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mmmmm, Russell Crowe</p>
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		<title>By: Houndentenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Houndentenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, you missed one of the most interesting prostitutes in film history.  Vivian Leigh in Waterloo Station.  Okay, yes, melodramatic and a little preachy (the purpose of the film was to warn women about the dangers of this sort of thing as England was heading into WW2).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, you missed one of the most interesting prostitutes in film history.  Vivian Leigh in Waterloo Station.  Okay, yes, melodramatic and a little preachy (the purpose of the film was to warn women about the dangers of this sort of thing as England was heading into WW2).</p>
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		<title>By: Houndentenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Houndentenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LA Confidential is a great film and should have won best picture.  (It lost to Titanic???)  

To your point, GPW, redemption is a common theme not only in film but also in literature.  Don&#039;t we all want to believe that even the worst of us might, in some great moment of truth, do the right thing?  For women, I suppose living a dishonorable life means being a prostitute.  (There are so many more crime options for men, I suppose.)  It did become something of a cliche in the 90s that it seemed that an actress&#039;s only hope of an oscar nomination was playing a hooker or a nun.  Talk about the Madonna-Whore complex!

Now for a more difficult challenge...how many movies feature characters who basically led respectable and ethical lives and then went horribly off track.  I&#039;m thinking of Bill Macy&#039;s character in Fargo.  Surely he didn&#039;t set out to be a crook but he became one nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LA Confidential is a great film and should have won best picture.  (It lost to Titanic???)  </p>
<p>To your point, GPW, redemption is a common theme not only in film but also in literature.  Don&#8217;t we all want to believe that even the worst of us might, in some great moment of truth, do the right thing?  For women, I suppose living a dishonorable life means being a prostitute.  (There are so many more crime options for men, I suppose.)  It did become something of a cliche in the 90s that it seemed that an actress&#8217;s only hope of an oscar nomination was playing a hooker or a nun.  Talk about the Madonna-Whore complex!</p>
<p>Now for a more difficult challenge&#8230;how many movies feature characters who basically led respectable and ethical lives and then went horribly off track.  I&#8217;m thinking of Bill Macy&#8217;s character in Fargo.  Surely he didn&#8217;t set out to be a crook but he became one nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Draybee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...I guess Charlize Theron&#039;s character didn&#039;t have a heart of gold, but she was a hooker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;I guess Charlize Theron&#8217;s character didn&#8217;t have a heart of gold, but she was a hooker.</p>
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		<title>By: Draybee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not forget that the &quot;hooker with a heart of gold&quot; is a role that wins Oscars for actresses.  Aside from Basinger, there&#039;s Shirley Jones (Elmer Gantry), Elizabeth Taylor (Butterfield 8), Donna Reed (From Here to Eternity), Susan Hayward (I Want To Live), Charlize Theron (Monster), Mira Sorvino (Mighty Aphrodite), Helen Mirren (The Queen)...ok, I just threw that last one in to see if you were paying attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that the &#8220;hooker with a heart of gold&#8221; is a role that wins Oscars for actresses.  Aside from Basinger, there&#8217;s Shirley Jones (Elmer Gantry), Elizabeth Taylor (Butterfield 8), Donna Reed (From Here to Eternity), Susan Hayward (I Want To Live), Charlize Theron (Monster), Mira Sorvino (Mighty Aphrodite), Helen Mirren (The Queen)&#8230;ok, I just threw that last one in to see if you were paying attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12 - Actually, that quip came from Groucho Marx during a live TV interview back in the late 1950s.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12 &#8211; Actually, that quip came from Groucho Marx during a live TV interview back in the late 1950s.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Lofquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Lofquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Purported quip by a Hollywood producer:

Do I know Doris Day? I knew her before she was a virgin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Purported quip by a Hollywood producer:</p>
<p>Do I know Doris Day? I knew her before she was a virgin.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted B. (Charging Rhino)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted B. (Charging Rhino)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The heterosexual hooker gets redeemed, but the ambitious gay actor (he wasn&#039;t a prostitute) dies...and gets laughed-about.  For that era, it was &quot;progressive and enlightened&quot; that Det. White even bothered to nail the DA for his murder, and that was only as a means to an end....not justice.

Just another Hollywood flick following the Hayes Code;&lt;i&gt; &quot;the fag dies...&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The heterosexual hooker gets redeemed, but the ambitious gay actor (he wasn&#8217;t a prostitute) dies&#8230;and gets laughed-about.  For that era, it was &#8220;progressive and enlightened&#8221; that Det. White even bothered to nail the DA for his murder, and that was only as a means to an end&#8230;.not justice.</p>
<p>Just another Hollywood flick following the Hayes Code;<i> &#8220;the fag dies&#8230;&#8221;.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Ignatius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ignatius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with it was the terrible miscast of Danny DeVito, an actor far too associated with goofy comedy roles to be taken seriously in a serious movie.  I also didn&#039;t think Basinger deserved the academy award for her competent but rather limited role and performance.  Very good movie otherwise.  The sets, costumes, and music hit the &lt;i&gt;noir&lt;/i&gt; nail on the head. 

I agree one of the themes in &lt;i&gt;L.A. Confidential&lt;/i&gt; is redemption, but that includes both cops (and a posthumous redemption of the Kevin Spacey police role as well) and is not unlike a 1950s noir &lt;i&gt;Faust&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;Parsifal&lt;/i&gt; (Wagner&#039;s version).  The male prostitute is apparently expendable, but I don&#039;t know about drawing larger Hollywood conclusions from the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with it was the terrible miscast of Danny DeVito, an actor far too associated with goofy comedy roles to be taken seriously in a serious movie.  I also didn&#8217;t think Basinger deserved the academy award for her competent but rather limited role and performance.  Very good movie otherwise.  The sets, costumes, and music hit the <i>noir</i> nail on the head. </p>
<p>I agree one of the themes in <i>L.A. Confidential</i> is redemption, but that includes both cops (and a posthumous redemption of the Kevin Spacey police role as well) and is not unlike a 1950s noir <i>Faust</i> or <i>Parsifal</i> (Wagner&#8217;s version).  The male prostitute is apparently expendable, but I don&#8217;t know about drawing larger Hollywood conclusions from the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Darkeyedresolve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darkeyedresolve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The theme of falling from grace and being restored or saved probably as a lot to do with our Western and Christian roots than anything else. Christianity is all about saving and being saved from your sins, no matter how bad you are. I can think of a lot of ancient stories that deal with redemption, like the labors of Heracles.

Now why its a hooker? Probably because society looks down on them and they are generally marginalized group. They are easy devices to make the victim and to make objects of scorn, that they have fallen in society. And its a woman, because, men are often the heroes but there are stories of men finding redemption with a woman as the light so to speak.

And of course it can happy with a gay twist, slash fanfiction is full of hurt and comfort heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The theme of falling from grace and being restored or saved probably as a lot to do with our Western and Christian roots than anything else. Christianity is all about saving and being saved from your sins, no matter how bad you are. I can think of a lot of ancient stories that deal with redemption, like the labors of Heracles.</p>
<p>Now why its a hooker? Probably because society looks down on them and they are generally marginalized group. They are easy devices to make the victim and to make objects of scorn, that they have fallen in society. And its a woman, because, men are often the heroes but there are stories of men finding redemption with a woman as the light so to speak.</p>
<p>And of course it can happy with a gay twist, slash fanfiction is full of hurt and comfort heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I&#039;m much more cynical than you in regards to Hollywood. (aside from John Wayne of course). I think Hollywood loves the hooker because they love demeaning women.

I find it very insulting to have all these hookers. Only Steve Martin was able to pull off an unbalanced love affair with a shop girl. At least she had the respect of an honorable job.

The rest of Hollywood has no respect for women - making them hookers  is part of that mentality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I&#8217;m much more cynical than you in regards to Hollywood. (aside from John Wayne of course). I think Hollywood loves the hooker because they love demeaning women.</p>
<p>I find it very insulting to have all these hookers. Only Steve Martin was able to pull off an unbalanced love affair with a shop girl. At least she had the respect of an honorable job.</p>
<p>The rest of Hollywood has no respect for women &#8211; making them hookers  is part of that mentality.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4 - We&#039;ll remind you of your comment the next time you whine about how the &quot;right-wingers&quot; are messing up your life.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4 &#8211; We&#8217;ll remind you of your comment the next time you whine about how the &#8220;right-wingers&#8221; are messing up your life.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: gillie</title>
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		<dc:creator>gillie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ILC
I think you have been spending too much time in the blogoshpere
Everything doesn&#039;t fall into the great left v right debate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ILC<br />
I think you have been spending too much time in the blogoshpere<br />
Everything doesn&#8217;t fall into the great left v right debate</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Hollywood argues to the contrary: &lt;a href=&quot;http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jlindsey/2009/01/22/and-the-victim-goes-too/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hollywood loves women as victims&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Hollywood argues to the contrary: <a href="http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jlindsey/2009/01/22/and-the-victim-goes-too/" rel="nofollow">Hollywood loves women as victims</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It seems we Americans like films where our heroes fall for the whore and rescue her from her â€œfallenâ€ life, redeeming her through romance.  ...Bud White... takes a fancy to the striking pseudo-blonde.  And that fancy blossoms into romance.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Isn&#039;t it a &quot;redemption&quot; that affirms the underlying cynicism of the left-liberal worldview, at least partly?  It&#039;s been awhile since I&#039;ve seen the film.  If I remember correctly, the romance would have been presented as a near-miracle (except that there is no God, of course) against the type of world-is-sh*tty, everyone-cheats-and-lies-and-backstabs backdrop that leftists tend to favor in art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It seems we Americans like films where our heroes fall for the whore and rescue her from her â€œfallenâ€ life, redeeming her through romance.  &#8230;Bud White&#8230; takes a fancy to the striking pseudo-blonde.  And that fancy blossoms into romance.</p></blockquote>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it a &#8220;redemption&#8221; that affirms the underlying cynicism of the left-liberal worldview, at least partly?  It&#8217;s been awhile since I&#8217;ve seen the film.  If I remember correctly, the romance would have been presented as a near-miracle (except that there is no God, of course) against the type of world-is-sh*tty, everyone-cheats-and-lies-and-backstabs backdrop that leftists tend to favor in art.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hollywood Likes the Redeemed Hooker&lt;/blockquote&gt;Only when he or she is culturally and politically a left-liberal.  Remember Jeff Gannon?  Typically, left-liberals don&#039;t even acknowledge his redemption.  For example, one GP commentor always speaks of Gannon as a current prostitute, whether commenting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/11/12/us-flags-fall-down-after-clinton-press-conference/#comment-2352&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in 2007&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/26/wonder-why-john-aravosis-has-to-say-about-this/#comment-396390&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in 2009&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hollywood Likes the Redeemed Hooker</p></blockquote>
<p>Only when he or she is culturally and politically a left-liberal.  Remember Jeff Gannon?  Typically, left-liberals don&#8217;t even acknowledge his redemption.  For example, one GP commentor always speaks of Gannon as a current prostitute, whether commenting <a href="http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/11/12/us-flags-fall-down-after-clinton-press-conference/#comment-2352" rel="nofollow">in 2007</a> or <a href="http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/03/26/wonder-why-john-aravosis-has-to-say-about-this/#comment-396390" rel="nofollow">in 2009</a>.</p>
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