Comments on: Does NYTimes Columnist Fear Martian Invasion? http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/ The Internet home for American gay conservatives. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:37:49 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: GayPatriotWest http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-407236 GayPatriotWest Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:54:49 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-407236 Scottland, if I didn't get it, let me know. Fished out all the most recent of your comments. Scottland, if I didn’t get it, let me know. Fished out all the most recent of your comments.

]]> By: Scottland http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-407233 Scottland Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:47:24 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-407233 filtered. I don't mind a verbal sparring match, but let me get my words out! filtered. I don’t mind a verbal sparring match, but let me get my words out!

]]> By: Mark Turner http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-407136 Mark Turner Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:31:00 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-407136 El Baradi calling Cheney Darth Vader? He himself sounds like a two bit Jabba the Hutt. El Baradi calling Cheney Darth Vader?

He himself sounds like a two bit Jabba the Hutt.

]]> By: Scottland http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-407086 Scottland Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:30:53 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-407086 It was the red top tabloids that went after him, so a variety of newpapers, owned by people from across the political spectrum. Far left groups like Respect coalition and far right groups like the BNP also went after him for being a cop or being gay respectively. He has a pretty good relationship with the muslim community, and spearheaded the post 7/7 muslim community co-ordination programs. Also, having had many discussions with official from both the UK and the US (the details i'm not at liberty to disclose here because the meetings were under chatam house rules and therefore off the record), it would appear Muslim communities WANT better co-ordination with police forces, not for the totality of their communities to be written off as firebreathing jihadists. Just as all christians aren't the Westboro Baptist Church . It was the red top tabloids that went after him, so a variety of newpapers, owned by people from across the political spectrum. Far left groups like Respect coalition and far right groups like the BNP also went after him for being a cop or being gay respectively. He has a pretty good relationship with the muslim community, and spearheaded the post 7/7 muslim community co-ordination programs.
Also, having had many discussions with official from both the UK and the US (the details i’m not at liberty to disclose here because the meetings were under chatam house rules and therefore off the record), it would appear Muslim communities WANT better co-ordination with police forces, not for the totality of their communities to be written off as firebreathing jihadists. Just as all christians aren’t the Westboro Baptist Church .

]]> By: Peter Hughes http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-407075 Peter Hughes Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:16:05 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-407075 #31 - My mistake on the Lord Mayor honorific. I didn't know there were two of them. And by whom was Paddick treated so badly, those on the left or those on the right? And what was the Muslim reaction to his candidacy? I would hope that he doesn't meet the same fate as Pim Fortuyn in the Netherlands. You know, from pissing off the participants of the so-called "religion of peace." The ones who think that the way to fix homosexuality is to either hang the perpetrators or drop a wall on them. Regards, Peter H. #31 – My mistake on the Lord Mayor honorific. I didn’t know there were two of them.

And by whom was Paddick treated so badly, those on the left or those on the right? And what was the Muslim reaction to his candidacy?

I would hope that he doesn’t meet the same fate as Pim Fortuyn in the Netherlands. You know, from pissing off the participants of the so-called “religion of peace.” The ones who think that the way to fix homosexuality is to either hang the perpetrators or drop a wall on them.

Regards,
Peter H.

]]> By: Scottland http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-407019 Scottland Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:45:53 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-407019 FILTERED. but the first thing, just to correct you, was that Lord Mayor and Mayor are totally different positions. The current LORD Mayor is Ian Luder. FILTERED. but the first thing, just to correct you, was that Lord Mayor and Mayor are totally different positions. The current LORD Mayor is Ian Luder.

]]> By: Scottland http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-407016 Scottland Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:43:50 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-407016 What are you talking about? The Lord Mayor of London is Ian Luder. I didn't vote for him, I didn't vote for Ken (who was guilty of terrible cronyism) and I didn't vote for Boris. I voted for Brian Paddick, gay former police chief and unfortunate target of character assasination. As it stands, our extreme right citizens also woke up and managed to get national socialist Richard Barnbrook into the GLC, so I'm a little unhappy with the totality of the political makeup of London's representative body. What are you talking about? The Lord Mayor of London is Ian Luder. I didn’t vote for him, I didn’t vote for Ken (who was guilty of terrible cronyism) and I didn’t vote for Boris. I voted for Brian Paddick, gay former police chief and unfortunate target of character assasination. As it stands, our extreme right citizens also woke up and managed to get national socialist Richard Barnbrook into the GLC, so I’m a little unhappy with the totality of the political makeup of London’s representative body.

]]> By: Peter Hughes http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-407008 Peter Hughes Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:34:09 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-407008 #28 - And I bet you were firmly in Red Ken Livingstone's corner when he came out in support of Islamofascists and constantly denigrated the USA. At least most of your fellow citizens woke up and elected Boris Johnson as Lord Mayor. And I will lay odds you probably didn't. Regards, Peter H. #28 – And I bet you were firmly in Red Ken Livingstone’s corner when he came out in support of Islamofascists and constantly denigrated the USA.

At least most of your fellow citizens woke up and elected Boris Johnson as Lord Mayor. And I will lay odds you probably didn’t.

Regards,
Peter H.

]]> By: Scottland http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-406986 Scottland Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:58:39 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-406986 Being a Londoner, EBJ, we did get hit again after 9/11, and scores of my countrymen and women died on 7/7 (a friend of mine was only not on one of the trains because he was hungover and didn't go to work that day!), so my thinking is informed by the idea that, if this is indeed a global war, we have been hit MANY times post 9/11. Please don't think that I dont think that state-sponsored terrorism is a problem, nosiree. It just wasn't coming massively from a secular socialist state like Iraq. Neither are clearcut understandings of who is good or evil conveniently available. Look at the senate report on the Khobar towers bombing in 1996 and connect it to the actions of the Saudi Government to get an idea of how confusing it is as to who are our enemies and who aren't. Being a Londoner, EBJ, we did get hit again after 9/11, and scores of my countrymen and women died on 7/7 (a friend of mine was only not on one of the trains because he was hungover and didn’t go to work that day!), so my thinking is informed by the idea that, if this is indeed a global war, we have been hit MANY times post 9/11.

Please don’t think that I dont think that state-sponsored terrorism is a problem, nosiree. It just wasn’t coming massively from a secular socialist state like Iraq. Neither are clearcut understandings of who is good or evil conveniently available. Look at the senate report on the Khobar towers bombing in 1996 and connect it to the actions of the Saudi Government to get an idea of how confusing it is as to who are our enemies and who aren’t.

]]> By: EBJ http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-406973 EBJ Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:40:39 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-406973 If we get hit again, Scottland, will you still think Cheney's thinking surreal in a post 9-11 world? How about if we get hit twice? Three times? Four? How many times does state sponsored terrorism have to happen before it becomes real? For you that is. It's already real enough for me that I think we should kill it. If we get hit again, Scottland, will you still think Cheney’s thinking surreal in a post 9-11 world? How about if we get hit twice? Three times? Four? How many times does state sponsored terrorism have to happen before it becomes real?

For you that is. It’s already real enough for me that I think we should kill it.

]]> By: EBJ http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-406972 EBJ Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:34:58 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-406972 Levi = Ace of Spades troll lost in cyberspace. Play with him but don't expect anything serious. Jorge, I'm pretty sure the UN said sanctions were killing 50,000 kids PER MONTH. Though that was before Bushitler took office. When 'solving' the sanctions problem went from dropping the sanctions to taking out the bastard that was creating the problem. Levi = Ace of Spades troll lost in cyberspace. Play with him but don’t expect anything serious.

Jorge,

I’m pretty sure the UN said sanctions were killing 50,000 kids PER MONTH. Though that was before Bushitler took office. When ‘solving’ the sanctions problem went from dropping the sanctions to taking out the bastard that was creating the problem.

]]> By: Scottland http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-406969 Scottland Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:24:32 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-406969 FILTERED. but, as an additional point to what Jorg was saying, Clinton launched airstrike on Iraq. He dropped 1.3 million pounds of bombs between 1999 and 2001. this really crippled Iraq's weapons capabilities. As Condi Rice and Colin Powell so eloquently expressed before 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0wbpKCdkkQ FILTERED.
but, as an additional point to what Jorg was saying, Clinton launched airstrike on Iraq. He dropped 1.3 million pounds of bombs between 1999 and 2001.

this really crippled Iraq’s weapons capabilities. As Condi Rice and Colin Powell so eloquently expressed before 9/11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0wbpKCdkkQ

]]> By: Scottland http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-406967 Scottland Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:19:33 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-406967 Well, if there were other things to be taken into consideration, then did they in any way ameliorate what Cheney was talking about in 1993 (Iran wanting eastern Iraq, Kurds destabilizing Turkey, Syrian Interests, lack of Arab Support, the 'quagmire' of a US occupation.)? What you are espousing, reasonably coherently, is an idea that foriegn policy should be motivated by moral concerns. There is that arguement to be made. Cheney was arguing from a realist perspective, based on the need to try and prevent war between state actors and not really bring morals into the situation. That's that arguement to make as well. My mind isn't permanently made up, I'm learning every day. If you're referring to 9/11 as the 'little thing', then it still doesn't really hold up, because Iraq had nothing to do with that, as scores of ex Bush Administration figures are trying to claim that the US never tried to conflate the two. If Cheneys mind was changed because of 9/11, then it suggests that his viewpoint changed not from realist to humanitarian, but from realist to Surrealist! Well, if there were other things to be taken into consideration, then did they in any way ameliorate what Cheney was talking about in 1993 (Iran wanting eastern Iraq, Kurds destabilizing Turkey, Syrian Interests, lack of Arab Support, the ‘quagmire’ of a US occupation.)?
What you are espousing, reasonably coherently, is an idea that foriegn policy should be motivated by moral concerns. There is that arguement to be made. Cheney was arguing from a realist perspective, based on the need to try and prevent war between state actors and not really bring morals into the situation. That’s that arguement to make as well. My mind isn’t permanently made up, I’m learning every day.

If you’re referring to 9/11 as the ‘little thing’, then it still doesn’t really hold up, because Iraq had nothing to do with that, as scores of ex Bush Administration figures are trying to claim that the US never tried to conflate the two. If Cheneys mind was changed because of 9/11, then it suggests that his viewpoint changed not from realist to humanitarian, but from realist to Surrealist!

]]> By: JorgXMcKie http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-406959 JorgXMcKie Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:59:47 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-406959 Scottland, perhaps something changed between 1993 and 2003? A decade is a long time, you know. Perhaps some little thing helped change the VP's mind. I dunno, perhaps Saddam mildly violated UN Resolutions, or maybe killed 500,000 babies by starving them to death using Oil for Food as an excuse. No. That can't be because if such heinous things happened the Clinton Administration would have been all over him like stink on sh*t. Must have been something else that happened between 1993 and 2003 to change the equation. Something. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I'll bet some little thing happened that changed Cheney's mind. (But not yours, of course. Yours is made up permanentlyl. Scottland, perhaps something changed between 1993 and 2003? A decade is a long time, you know. Perhaps some little thing helped change the VP’s mind. I dunno, perhaps Saddam mildly violated UN Resolutions, or maybe killed 500,000 babies by starving them to death using Oil for Food as an excuse.
No. That can’t be because if such heinous things happened the Clinton Administration would have been all over him like stink on sh*t.
Must have been something else that happened between 1993 and 2003 to change the equation. Something. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but I’ll bet some little thing happened that changed Cheney’s mind. (But not yours, of course. Yours is made up permanentlyl.

]]> By: Peter Hughes http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-406927 Peter Hughes Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:11:15 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-406927 #7 - "The proof is in the lack of international organization." To organize what? Is that why the dumb half of America voted in an inexperienced "community organizer" to be POTUS when he has less qualifications in the executive branch than, say, Sarah Palin? Levi, you are such a fool. Regards, Peter H. #7 – “The proof is in the lack of international organization.”

To organize what? Is that why the dumb half of America voted in an inexperienced “community organizer” to be POTUS when he has less qualifications in the executive branch than, say, Sarah Palin?

Levi, you are such a fool.

Regards,
Peter H.

]]> By: Fred Beloit http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-406925 Fred Beloit Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:07:11 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-406925 1993???? Why don't you cite something he may have said in high school, Scotty? Beam me up indeed. 1993???? Why don’t you cite something he may have said in high school, Scotty? Beam me up indeed.

]]> By: The Livewire http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-406922 The Livewire Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:03:47 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-406922 And again, when asked for facts, Levi can't provide any. it's true we go it alone in disaster relief, AIDS service to Africa, defending soverign nations from invasion... Oh woe is the Bush administration, cursed to be alone! And again, when asked for facts, Levi can’t provide any.

it’s true we go it alone in disaster relief, AIDS service to Africa, defending soverign nations from invasion…

Oh woe is the Bush administration, cursed to be alone!

]]> By: Scottland http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-406912 Scottland Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:39:22 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-406912 Fen, I'd like to thank your former vice president for conducting this very illuminating interview in 1993 about why going into Iraq is a terrible idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8MePwb6TEk It's not even a smear, he basically pre-empted the reasons why pre-emptive force in Iraq is a mistake! Fen, I’d like to thank your former vice president for conducting this very illuminating interview in 1993 about why going into Iraq is a terrible idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8MePwb6TEk
It’s not even a smear, he basically pre-empted the reasons why pre-emptive force in Iraq is a mistake!

]]> By: Fen http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-406908 Fen Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:23:04 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-406908 "The proof is in the lack of international organization. We haven’t done anything with anybody for 8 years. Even the paltry amount of help we received in our go-it-alone adventure in Iraq has dried up." You really have NO idea what you're talking about. That, or you're simply a bold-faced liar. "People don’t want to work with you when you’re an arrogant failure." Is that why Obama came back from Europe empty-handed, despite his celebrity reception? Here's a clue: Euro "goodwill" can't be banked into anything tangible. “The proof is in the lack of international organization. We haven’t done anything with anybody for 8 years. Even the paltry amount of help we received in our go-it-alone adventure in Iraq has dried up.”

You really have NO idea what you’re talking about. That, or you’re simply a bold-faced liar.

“People don’t want to work with you when you’re an arrogant failure.”

Is that why Obama came back from Europe empty-handed, despite his celebrity reception?

Here’s a clue: Euro “goodwill” can’t be banked into anything tangible.

]]> By: Levi http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/13/does-nytimes-columnist-fear-martian-invasion/comment-page-1/#comment-406907 Levi Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:22:39 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=10528#comment-406907 <i>Um, Levi, that’s an answer. Where are the specifics. As to arrogant failures, I’ll remember your comments in about 18 months as it may well be a great term to use to describe the incumbent Administration.</i> It's hard to be specific about things that didn't happen. Easier to list the things on which we didn't at all internationally organize: ..... There. Um, Levi, that’s an answer. Where are the specifics.

As to arrogant failures, I’ll remember your comments in about 18 months as it may well be a great term to use to describe the incumbent Administration.

It’s hard to be specific about things that didn’t happen. Easier to list the things on which we didn’t at all internationally organize:

…..

There.

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