Jenna, your dead wrong on promiscuity. Gay men are much more promiscuous than straight men. This is shown by STD rates, which are much higher among gay men. This is why there is no self-sustaining AIDS pandemnic among straights in the USA – outside of some inner city groups – they simply have many fewer sexual partners over the course of a lifetime. And STD’s don’t discriminate; they don’t care whether your staight or gay, liberal or conservative.

BZZT! A classic post hoc ergo propter hoc AND a fallacy of exclusion. The reason STI rates among men that have sex with men (N.B. I’m NOT talking about gay men specifically, but of non-gay identified homosexual and bisexual males on the down low as well) are higher than heterosexuals and *ahem* relatively more than homosexual females that are more likely to enter a same-sex marriage than males, is primarily due to the mechanics of STI transmission; anal sex is more likely than vaginal sex to transmit STIs, so indirectly, they do discriminate. Then you have to consider the differences in m2m relationships, such as those in the down low taking a heavier role in the statistics, yet common sense states it’s the least likely group to be interested in same-sex marriage (even to the point of some opposing it).

No, boob, we can quote that gay-sex liberals like yourself and the leaders of your movement view marriage with disdain as a “patriarchal” and oppressive institution.

But emphasizing the moral or symbolic importance of the m-word could alienate some religious and unmarried families, both of which make up a large segment of potential voters. Discussing the latter group, Jean offered her own version of a response to the princess ad, to much laughter and applause:

“Here’s the message I wanted to see. … ‘You’re right honey, you can marry a princess, and isn’t that wonderful? You can also marry someone of [a different] race. And you know what, you don’t have to get married; in fact I think you should consider whether you want to participate in that patriarchal institution.’”

Why are you insulting marriage, boob? Why aren’t you speaking up against your bigoted and hateful leaders who slander marriage? Why should gay-sex liberals like yourself who want to namecall and destroy marriage, and have that as your avowed goal and practice, be allowed to participate in it?

No the idea that “men are pigs” , or to use another term, sinful, is a central tenant of Christianity, not atheism.

You seem to have taken offense.

I didnt mean that all men are necessarily pigs, I mean that men, in general are more sexually driven, and thus more inclined to promiscuity than women. Science has shown it is in our nature. I guess that’s where you get the Darwinian atheism thing, but I assure you I am no atheist.

And while I will admit that I know very little about the civilizing influence of the sexes upon each other in ancient Greece, I was speaking more about civilizations that actually exist on earth today…namely ours.

I’m actually flabbergasted that anyone would challenge the notion that women have a civilizing effect on men. All the statistics back this up. Men are far more promiscuous than women, and it is marriage (to a woman) that gets men to “settle down” as the saying goes. Men marry for sex, women for security, is another. Make an honest man out of him, is another. Studies show men think about sex far more. And I could go on and on… But your comments really do floor me. But yes, men, compared to women are far more likely to be pigs.

It’s never about the actual marriage for gays–it’s always about trying to prove to the world that they are victims of a hypocritical patriarchal power structure. Ho, hum.

Remember that the ideal marriage in the Obama Party is Jim McGreevey, who lied to his wife, cheated on her, and then dumped her for his rich gay-sex liberal boyfriend, and was lauded as a “hero” by HRC and the gay community for doing it. They think everyone has relationships like that.

Myth: Men are pigs. Men are only pigs if they are raised to be pigs. There is no “natural instinct” which requires men to be promiscuous. There is nothing, not one iota of evidence, that human beings were ever, in the history of their evolution, promiscuous. It does not promote any evolutionary benefit. There are many species which are monogamous–most higher mammals. This view that men are pigs is part of the mythology of atheistic Darwinism.

Myth: Straight couples are just as promiscuous as gay couples. All of the straight couples I know are far too tired at the end of the day for any kind of “swinger” party. Having a job and raising a family really takes the swinger out of you.

Myth: Women have a civilizing influence on men. Wow, if that isn’t the most sexist thing I’ve ever heard. Men have a much more civilizing effect on other men. Looking at the history of male couples–Achilles and Patroclus, et. al.–men’s relationships are marked by fierce loyalty and devotion. It is only since Stonewall that multiple partners have become the norm. Really. Look it up.

Jenna, your dead wrong on promiscuity. Gay men are much more promiscuous than straight men. This is shown by STD rates, which are much higher among gay men. This is why there is no self-sustaining AIDS pandemnic among straights in the USA – outside of some inner city groups – they simply have many fewer sexual partners over the course of a lifetime. And STD’s don’t discriminate; they don’t care whether your staight or gay, liberal or conservative.

Most gay men I know want gay marriage as a confirmation of their lifestyle. I know few even long term gay male relationships which are completely monogomous. I can understand if hetrosexuals don’t want to introduce the promiscuity of us gay men into marriage.

Regards,
Peter H.

As a NJ citizen, I don’t want my tax dollars supporting discrimination in public accommodation, and if they chose to discriminate, then they don’t get to have the tax breaks.

Says who?

Where do you get this silly idea that your tax dollars cant go to anything you oppose? Was protesters tax dollars go to the war, my tax dollars are going to fund an entire litany of asinine liberal programs that not only dont work, but are making the world worse and will cause countless millions to suffer both short and long term.

That is the consequence of politics. But one thing trumps policy, and that is the constitution wherein peoples God-given, unalienable right to exercise their religious beliefs and associate with whom they wish are protected from government interference.

If you’re open to the public, you have to serve ALL of the public – you can’t pick and choose which members of the public you will serve based on some discriminatory practice.

Christian churches can choose not to allow gay marriage in their primary buildings of worship. They also don’t marry Jewish people there. Or Hindus. Or Muslims. Jewish synagogues don’t have to perform Christian marriage ceremonies, either. That’s never, ever going to be an issue (and if it is, I’ll fight against that, too.)

But if a Christian church owns a pavilion on a boardwalk that they allow members of the general public to rent out – guess what. They have to allow anyone to rent it out, they can’t say ‘oh, you’re black, so you can’t rent our pavilion, but that white couple can’. That’s discrimination and it’s illegal. If they choose to do that, they give up their tax breaks. Which is *exactly* how it’s supposed to go. Just like a store owner can’t refuse to serve a customer because they are Jewish. Or Catholic. Or a woman. Or black. Or asian. Or hispanic.

Public means public.

Stating that a church was forced to allow a gay couple to use their property for a marriage ceremony is a lie. My mommy taught me those were wrong. They lost their tax break because to them, discriminating was more important than the tax break. They weren’t criminally charged. There was no legal repercussions. They simply lost a tax advantage that they had been given when they agreed to open the property up to the public. When they removed that property from public use, they lost the advantage that went with it.

I don’t see how this is a problem. That’s the system working *exactly* how it should be. They’re not forced to do anything against their beliefs, and I’m not forced to pay for it. Win-win.

WRT promiscuity…sky is gray and rainy in NJ today.

You know what they say about statistics.