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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-411311</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Werenâ€™t the Republican apparatus calling Obama unpatriotic once every other day during the campaign?&lt;/blockquote&gt;No, they surely weren&#039;t.

Individual, private citizens might have been - but you specified &quot;Republican apparatus&quot;.  The answer, again: no... not at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Werenâ€™t the Republican apparatus calling Obama unpatriotic once every other day during the campaign?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, they surely weren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Individual, private citizens might have been &#8211; but you specified &#8220;Republican apparatus&#8221;.  The answer, again: no&#8230; not at all.</p>
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		<title>By: elvlun</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-411171</link>
		<dc:creator>elvlun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A hypocritical posts like this one really discredit the integrity of this blog. Weren&#039;t the Republican apparatus calling Obama unpatriotic once every other day during the campaign? I thought you were supposed to stay on the message not to use your own strawman, repackage it and stamp the other side&#039;s seal on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hypocritical posts like this one really discredit the integrity of this blog. Weren&#8217;t the Republican apparatus calling Obama unpatriotic once every other day during the campaign? I thought you were supposed to stay on the message not to use your own strawman, repackage it and stamp the other side&#8217;s seal on it.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-411077</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Some think such a position is unpatriotic and absolutely nothing will convince them otherwise.&lt;/blockquote&gt;And others, meanwhile, would only go so far as to notice that the position is held by you in a manner impervious to all contrary evidence, like a Democrat reciting his talking points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Some think such a position is unpatriotic and absolutely nothing will convince them otherwise.</p></blockquote>
<p>And others, meanwhile, would only go so far as to notice that the position is held by you in a manner impervious to all contrary evidence, like a Democrat reciting his talking points.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-410231</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CP writes,

is it asking too much for a president to embrace these ideals at least? To advocate them?

Why are you asking these questions?  After twenty two years of sitting in a pew at Trinity UCC and listenting to Rev. Jeremiah Wrights anti-American rants, I mean sermons,  Â¨God bless America, No! No! No! God Damn America,Â¨and,  Â¨the KKK of AmericaÂ¨  why should anybody be surprised doesnÂ´t embrace the ideals. Michelle was no better.  She loves America now that her husband was elected. Allah forbid anything should happen to him, because weÂ´ll hear her vitriol again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CP writes,</p>
<p>is it asking too much for a president to embrace these ideals at least? To advocate them?</p>
<p>Why are you asking these questions?  After twenty two years of sitting in a pew at Trinity UCC and listenting to Rev. Jeremiah Wrights anti-American rants, I mean sermons,  Â¨God bless America, No! No! No! God Damn America,Â¨and,  Â¨the KKK of AmericaÂ¨  why should anybody be surprised doesnÂ´t embrace the ideals. Michelle was no better.  She loves America now that her husband was elected. Allah forbid anything should happen to him, because weÂ´ll hear her vitriol again.</p>
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		<title>By: Ignatius</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-410204</link>
		<dc:creator>Ignatius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the invasion of Iraq was a very stupid move.  I believe it was detrimental to the country I love.  Some think such a position is unpatriotic and absolutely nothing will convince them otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the invasion of Iraq was a very stupid move.  I believe it was detrimental to the country I love.  Some think such a position is unpatriotic and absolutely nothing will convince them otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-410040</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2009/04/20/cnn-s-begala-tea-party-goers-wimpy-whiney-weasels-who-don-t-love-thei&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democrat strategist Paul Begala says tea-party participants &quot;don&#039;t love their country.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2009/04/20/cnn-s-begala-tea-party-goers-wimpy-whiney-weasels-who-don-t-love-thei" rel="nofollow">Democrat strategist Paul Begala says tea-party participants &#8220;don&#8217;t love their country.&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-410036</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=284592&amp;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Harry Reid calls Rush Limbaugh unpatriotic&lt;/a&gt;. 

This is so easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=284592&amp;" rel="nofollow">Harry Reid calls Rush Limbaugh unpatriotic</a>. </p>
<p>This is so easy.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-410034</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/27/video-pelosi-calls-house-gop-unpatriotic/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nancy Pelosi calls House Republicans unpatriotic&lt;/a&gt;. 

See how easy that was? What did that take, three minutes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/27/video-pelosi-calls-house-gop-unpatriotic/" rel="nofollow">Nancy Pelosi calls House Republicans unpatriotic</a>. </p>
<p>See how easy that was? What did that take, three minutes?</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-410033</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, lefty trolls. They neither put up, nor shut up. 

&lt;i&gt;Liberals may love the geography, they may love the shopping, but they loathe America which was established and defined by the Constitution.&lt;/i&gt;

You are correct, sir!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, lefty trolls. They neither put up, nor shut up. </p>
<p><i>Liberals may love the geography, they may love the shopping, but they loathe America which was established and defined by the Constitution.</i></p>
<p>You are correct, sir!</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-410014</link>
		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gillie,

When one of your rants is ripped to shreds, it&#039;s done with links.  Thus the onerous of providing links to counter an arguement is on you.

Why should I waste my time otherwise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gillie,</p>
<p>When one of your rants is ripped to shreds, it&#8217;s done with links.  Thus the onerous of providing links to counter an arguement is on you.</p>
<p>Why should I waste my time otherwise?</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment showing gillie the lack of patriotism on the left:

Filtered</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment showing gillie the lack of patriotism on the left:</p>
<p>Filtered</p>
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		<title>By: gillie</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-409845</link>
		<dc:creator>gillie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry
wrong name
filtered</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry<br />
wrong name<br />
filtered</p>
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		<title>By: gille</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-409843</link>
		<dc:creator>gille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Delay on MTP with russert talking

Bachman with chris mathews

check them outyourself or use google for crying out loud.

No wonder you have not see any evidence.
You have kept your head in the sand</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Delay on MTP with russert talking</p>
<p>Bachman with chris mathews</p>
<p>check them outyourself or use google for crying out loud.</p>
<p>No wonder you have not see any evidence.<br />
You have kept your head in the sand</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-409813</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t question the patriotism of liberals.

When you want to make America resemble its founding principles less and resemble France more, it isnt America that you love. 

Liberals may love the geography, they may love the shopping, but they loathe America which was established and defined by the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t question the patriotism of liberals.</p>
<p>When you want to make America resemble its founding principles less and resemble France more, it isnt America that you love. </p>
<p>Liberals may love the geography, they may love the shopping, but they loathe America which was established and defined by the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-409732</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crickets chirped a little loudly, but still didn&#039;t produce anything resembling a quote, a link, or a citation that could be checked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crickets chirped a little loudly, but still didn&#8217;t produce anything resembling a quote, a link, or a citation that could be checked.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-409719</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahah, &quot;good grief&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahah, &#8220;good grief&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ColoradoPatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>ColoradoPatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief, Levi.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever witnessed anybody work so hard (consciously, it even seems) to discredit himself.

I have, once again, labored over the words to put into a post, read and re-read it.  Let it sit for a while, and come back and make a final check of it before I hit the &quot;Post&quot; button.

Along you come, and prove my point better than any words I could possibly come up with myself.  Sheesh!  From now on, I&#039;m just going to post a topic and let you demonstrate it for me from the beginning.

And for gillie:  Please provide some links to actual quotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief, Levi.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever witnessed anybody work so hard (consciously, it even seems) to discredit himself.</p>
<p>I have, once again, labored over the words to put into a post, read and re-read it.  Let it sit for a while, and come back and make a final check of it before I hit the &#8220;Post&#8221; button.</p>
<p>Along you come, and prove my point better than any words I could possibly come up with myself.  Sheesh!  From now on, I&#8217;m just going to post a topic and let you demonstrate it for me from the beginning.</p>
<p>And for gillie:  Please provide some links to actual quotes.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Levi makes his mind known:&lt;blockquote&gt;I think George Bushâ€™s presidency was an unmitigated disaster, I think the Iraq war might be the stupidest thing this country has ever done, and I think 100% of the tea party movement can be explained by Republican sour grapes over losing an election.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

1.) &quot;unmitigated&quot; means that every aspect of the Bush years was a disaster. When you choose to speak this way, you demonstrate that your passion controls your wit.

2.) The Iraq war &quot;might be&quot; the stupidest thing the country has ever done. Now there is an interesting way to back away from &quot;unmitigated.&quot;

3.) 100% means that Democrats who voted for Obama and attended the tea party in support of stopping the spending madness are outside your 100%. How does that work?

Levi, you have an important need to gain control of your language use. As it is now, no one is confused about how totally closed your mind is to rational dialogue. 

Unfortunately, your points of view are almost cartoon balloons of the stereotypical liberal moonbat. Have you no interest in rising above that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Levi makes his mind known:<br />
<blockquote>I think George Bushâ€™s presidency was an unmitigated disaster, I think the Iraq war might be the stupidest thing this country has ever done, and I think 100% of the tea party movement can be explained by Republican sour grapes over losing an election.</p></blockquote>
<p>1.) &#8220;unmitigated&#8221; means that every aspect of the Bush years was a disaster. When you choose to speak this way, you demonstrate that your passion controls your wit.</p>
<p>2.) The Iraq war &#8220;might be&#8221; the stupidest thing the country has ever done. Now there is an interesting way to back away from &#8220;unmitigated.&#8221;</p>
<p>3.) 100% means that Democrats who voted for Obama and attended the tea party in support of stopping the spending madness are outside your 100%. How does that work?</p>
<p>Levi, you have an important need to gain control of your language use. As it is now, no one is confused about how totally closed your mind is to rational dialogue. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, your points of view are almost cartoon balloons of the stereotypical liberal moonbat. Have you no interest in rising above that?</p>
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		<title>By: Levi</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/19/the-unintended-utility-of-the-straw-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-409665</link>
		<dc:creator>Levi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Standard refutation: Cite specific examples please, Farva.

Standard response: (Crickets chirping)&lt;/i&gt;

I couldn&#039;t care less about proving anything, especially something so blatantly obvious, to you. Denying that conservatives spent the Bush years viciously attacking the patriotism of liberals is like denying that the Earth revolves around the sun. Questioning Obama&#039;s patriotism was the primary line of attack used by Republicans against Barack Obama last year, as it was in 2004 against John Kerry. Do you remember any of that? John Kerry was a baby-killer shooting kids in the back and burning their villages and giving himself scratch wounds  for Purple Hearts, remember that? Obama was a subversive who definitely hated America because he went to Rev. Wright&#039;s church, and worst of all, &lt;i&gt;sometimes he wouldn&#039;t wear a flag pin.&lt;/i&gt; 

Hell, look at this website. Look at this thread. I&#039;ve been accused a number of times that I hate America and the troops, NDT has been incoherently doing  it since you asked me to &#039;prove it.&#039; I&#039;ve got better things to do than to prove to you something that you know is true anyway.

I&#039;ll ask you, do you think I&#039;m patriotic? Do you think I hate America? Here&#039;s some reminders while you think about that question; I think George Bush&#039;s presidency was an unmitigated disaster, I think the Iraq war might be the stupidest thing this country has ever done, and I think 100% of the tea party movement can be explained by Republican sour grapes over losing an election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Standard refutation: Cite specific examples please, Farva.</p>
<p>Standard response: (Crickets chirping)</i></p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t care less about proving anything, especially something so blatantly obvious, to you. Denying that conservatives spent the Bush years viciously attacking the patriotism of liberals is like denying that the Earth revolves around the sun. Questioning Obama&#8217;s patriotism was the primary line of attack used by Republicans against Barack Obama last year, as it was in 2004 against John Kerry. Do you remember any of that? John Kerry was a baby-killer shooting kids in the back and burning their villages and giving himself scratch wounds  for Purple Hearts, remember that? Obama was a subversive who definitely hated America because he went to Rev. Wright&#8217;s church, and worst of all, <i>sometimes he wouldn&#8217;t wear a flag pin.</i> </p>
<p>Hell, look at this website. Look at this thread. I&#8217;ve been accused a number of times that I hate America and the troops, NDT has been incoherently doing  it since you asked me to &#8216;prove it.&#8217; I&#8217;ve got better things to do than to prove to you something that you know is true anyway.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll ask you, do you think I&#8217;m patriotic? Do you think I hate America? Here&#8217;s some reminders while you think about that question; I think George Bush&#8217;s presidency was an unmitigated disaster, I think the Iraq war might be the stupidest thing this country has ever done, and I think 100% of the tea party movement can be explained by Republican sour grapes over losing an election.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NDT, I would bet on Farva making some kind of moral equivalence between Code Pink (not Patriots) and the Tea Party people (Patriots).</description>
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