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W: Classier and Less Divisive than his Successor

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 6:30 am - April 30, 2009.
Filed under: Bush-hatred,Noble Republicans

Recall how many Democrats, left-wing bloggers and their allies in the MSM dismissed former President George W. Bush as “divisive.”  He engaged in name-calling, a friendly acquaintance of mine alleged recently.  It was refreshing, he said, to have someone in the White House whose rhetoric is more uplifting, less acrimonious.

He later acknowledged that he has grown tired of watching the news, so hadn’t heard much of Obama’s presidential rhetoric.  Methinks that with Obama’s increasing ubiquity on the airwaves, that may be a good thing for the Democrat’s standing among Americans.

But, my acquaintance’s words notwithstanding, the president has been more critical of his fellow Americans than have perhaps any of his predecessors at least since Nixon.  As to his immediate predecessor, can anyone recall when George W. Bush mocked ant-war rallies, using a descriptor cooked up by the most extreme conservative blogs?  Did he try to dismiss the various organs of the news media which criticized him on a regular basis (e.g., New York Times, Washington Post, Newsweek, MSNBC) as outlets where he’s “not very popular”?

Commenting on the President’s recent statement, “Those of you who are watching certain news channels on which I’m not very popular, and you see folks waving tea bags around,” Moe Lane observes;  “He’s not really all that gracious when it comes to dealing with people that don’t already love him, is he? Kind of smirky, with a faint flavor of exasperation.”  As Glenn opines in linking the post, “Say what you will about George W. Bush, he had a skin whose thickness wasn’t measured in Planck lengths.

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  1. yeah, i’m really not sure how your post supports the claim in your title.

    but by all means, please continue to have your party emulate george bush and all his “classiness”.

    Comment by bob — April 30, 2009 @ 7:02 am - April 30, 2009

  2. “Classy” and “Democrat” just don’t go together.

    We had Claire McCaskill (D-MO) spitting in Mitt Romney’s earpiece.

    We had the entire left-media giggling like ten year old boys over the word “tea-bag.”

    We have a president whose idea of a classy gift to the Queen of England is a cheap iPod loaded with videos of his own speeches. A guy who sends his daughters to an expensive private school while killing the voucher program that allowed poor kids the same opportunity.

    His Chief of Staff is another class act who once mailed a dead fish to a pollster he didn’t like.

    His Speaker of the House presumes to lecture the Pope on Catholic doctrine.

    We have the Democrat attorney general California publicly fantasizing about business executives being prison-raped.

    Charlie Rangel tells a constituent who asked about his tax evasions, “Why don’t you mind your own g-d business!”

    John Murtha accuses Marines of being cold-blooded killers (a view apparently shared by Janet Napolitano) and his own constituents as ignorant rednecks.

    We have the Democrats who chanted “Na na hey hey good-bye” to Bush at Bam-Bam’s inauguration.

    Oh, and the left’s Hero of the Week is a sleazy gossip blogger who likes to draw crude penises over the faces of celebrities.

    Classy people, the left.

    Comment by V the K — April 30, 2009 @ 8:57 am - April 30, 2009

  3. Oh my. This is absurd as the “We’ve been criticizing Bush the whole time!” meme you guys are desperately pushing. You guys just can’t be trusted to honestly relay anything about what happened during the Bush years.

    Do keep it up though. Watching conservatives deny recent history so they can prop up someone as unpopular and unsuccessful as George W. Bush is just really, really fun to watch.

    Comment by Levi — April 30, 2009 @ 9:09 am - April 30, 2009

  4. I mean guys, I’m reading through this statement: “Those of you who are watching certain news channels on which I’m not very popular, and you see folks waving tea bags around,” and I’m at a total loss for what part of it could be considered insulting or dismissive. Isn’t that statement absolutely true? On April 15 and the days leading up to it, you could turn to a network on which Obama isn’t very popular, and you could see people waving tea bags around.

    You’re harping on him for describing the tea party movement exactly, and you’re complaining that he’s the thin-skinned one? Time to look in a mirror, boys.

    Comment by Levi — April 30, 2009 @ 9:23 am - April 30, 2009

  5. Aw…come on Levi, they are so desperate to become the aggrieved minority throw them a bone!
    GPW simply wants to try and stoke anger and self-righteousness by giving reality a good head fake.

    It’s the tried and true conservative strategy! I would expect nothing less than that.

    Comment by gillie — April 30, 2009 @ 10:03 am - April 30, 2009

  6. Good the leftists can comment on todays daily Obama administration blunder, gaffe and goof.
    Democrat Vice President Jumpin Joe Biden, Democrat Obamas first choice, first decision this morning causes panic in the airline industry. Ole Joe said he wouldn’t be caught dead in an airplane right now. Told his family not to go into “closed spaces” where someone could caugh during the swine flu pandemic. NICE. Looks like Obamas administration isn’t about creating jobs hehe but causing panic and gettin people to stay home. It’s only 10 am……so let’s see if one of his tax cheats or other boobs can top ole Joe before the end of the day. 101 days. A+

    Comment by Gene on Pennsylvania — April 30, 2009 @ 10:13 am - April 30, 2009

  7. What bothered me even more than his dismissiveness of those “folks waving tea bags around” was the idea that he’s willing to have a serious conversation. We’ll save money and Medicare by spending another $646 billion as a “down payment”? We’ll save Social Security simply by raising the cap in how much of a person’s income is subject to the payroll tax? Tightening our belts is asking the cabinet to cut $100 million dollars? The deficits in his 10-year budget plan are the fault of George Bush? And a $400 tax credit that will end after next year is a wondrous thing, when even his own wife commented on the recent $600 stimulus payments with the phrase “What can you do with that?”

    However amateurish and sometimes even shrill the “tea baggers” are, they understand that his numbers don’t add up. President Obama can have his “serious conversation” the moment he gets serious himself.

    Comment by Wesley M — April 30, 2009 @ 10:34 am - April 30, 2009

  8. Gillie, please show me how I’m trying to stoke anger and self-righteousness and where I am giving reality a head-fake, thanks.

    And Levi, if you actually read the post, it wasn’t about W’s record, but about his class and contradicting the claim of his critics that his rhetoric was divisive.

    BTW, I see that neither your nor bob nor gillie contradict any of the points I made in the post. If you were seriously eager to challenge my thesis, you might consider trying to find comments Bush made as divisive as those his successor made yesterday.

    But, no matter ho hard you look, you won’t find any.

    And Levi, just because I think W is a good and decent man doesn’t mean I failed to criticize his mistakes.

    Comment by GayPatriotWest — April 30, 2009 @ 11:03 am - April 30, 2009

  9. Will the penny ever drop?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — April 30, 2009 @ 11:11 am - April 30, 2009

  10. Levi, the point, which I’m sure you missed, is that even with your insane conspiracy theories, President Bush has never stooped to the level of calling his attackers out on their lies.

    He also never blamed the previous administration for its excesses. And in fact, down played their vandalism and childish pranks.

    These are the facts. So now I expect you to run away until you get new talking points, like every other thread where you get beaten like a drum.

    Comment by The Livewire — April 30, 2009 @ 11:13 am - April 30, 2009

  11. Certain vocal, persistent left-wing commentors on this blog are just unbelievably silly.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — April 30, 2009 @ 11:21 am - April 30, 2009

  12. Wesley has a point. In the middle of his derisive rant on the tea party protesters he talks about how he wants to talk to them. Anyone else think he was a lying liar who lies?

    My hand is raised high.

    Obama is arrogant, and he doesn’t deal well with criticism. He doesn’t have the ability to really laugh at himself, and when he tries it almost always falls flat.

    The tea party protesters don’t like his ideas, so his response is to scold them-I hope they keep following him around though. it is kind of fun to see Mr. Arrogant put in his place.

    Comment by just me — April 30, 2009 @ 11:25 am - April 30, 2009

  13. Wonder why these Dhimmicrats in higher office are so damn ARROGANT? Look at Dear Leader, the Clintons, the Kennedys, Fwank, Murtha, Pelosi et al – they are all supposedly “of the people” but act as if they are the ruling elites, with a “do-as-I-say-but-not-as-I-do” mindset.

    I have yet to see an arrogant Republican, with the exception of Benedict Arlen – and now we see exactly what his true colors are.

    I challenge all the TITS on this board – name one arrogant Republican. Just one.

    Bet you can’t.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — April 30, 2009 @ 11:29 am - April 30, 2009

  14. And Levi, if you actually read the post, it wasn’t about W’s record, but about his class and contradicting the claim of his critics that his rhetoric was divisive.

    Sigh… here we go again. I did read your post, and I did understand that it wasn’t about Bush’s record. I said that your selective memory of the Bush years on his ‘classiness’ and ‘non-divisiveness’ is about as inaccurate as it was in terms of how much conservatives criticized him while in office. Bush was obsessed with his image, he politicized every aspect of his administration, and devoted enormous amounts of government resources to attacking his critics. As usual, what happened is exactly the opposite of how you remember it happening.

    BTW, I see that neither your nor bob nor gillie contradict any of the points I made in the post. If you were seriously eager to challenge my thesis, you might consider trying to find comments Bush made as divisive as those his successor made yesterday.

    But, no matter ho hard you look, you won’t find any.

    Please do explain how what Obama said is divisive. I’m not getting it. I don’t see how anyone could feel ‘divided’ by that, unless, of course, they were looking to feel divided. Do you think that might have something to do with it?

    As for Bush, maybe I will try to dig up some quotes, but am I allowed to be as hyper-defensive as you guys?

    And Levi, just because I think W is a good and decent man doesn’t mean I failed to criticize his mistakes.

    See, that’s the thing. If you really were critical, and we both know that you weren’t, you’d be able to recognize that Bush is neither good nor decent. You’re looking for ways to excuse your support for what’s become a politically toxic individual after the fact without admitting you were wrong and denying the gravity of his failure. You’re not fooling anyone.

    Comment by Levi — April 30, 2009 @ 12:11 pm - April 30, 2009

  15. Levi: It’s not just the words – it’s the TONE OF VOICE and the BODY LANGUAGE and the sheer arrogance conveyed during the statement that made it offensive.

    Comment by Angie — April 30, 2009 @ 1:05 pm - April 30, 2009

  16. Once again the lefitst don’t comment on the CURRENT adminstration and their blunders, gaffes, mistakes and screw ups. Guess Obamas plan to save Chrysler didn’t work too well. He spend $30 Billion on the bailout of the auto companies and they are still going to fail and go bankrupt. hehe NICE. 101 days. A+
    Could I ask why the media allows Obama to have these presser “lovefests”? No follow up questions, only one mic so it has to be passed around. If you have a follow up the mic is already gone. Only 10 -13 questions because he gives wind bag answers to every softball question. Not one question about the Obama record of 6.3 million people unemployed. Not one question about the shovel ready jobs he was going to create. Not one question about how many thousands will be joining the unemploment lines once Chrysler and GM go bankrupt under his leadership. No questions about Sebilious, another tax cheat approved by his rubber stamp Congress even though she hasn’t caught up on her tax payments. Not one question about the revised GDP decline during his first quater of -6.1%. 101 days. A+

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — April 30, 2009 @ 1:09 pm - April 30, 2009

  17. Obama is so arrogant, he struts into rooms. Wait til the crap hits the fan. He won’t be able to take the criticism. He’ll curl up in the corner and whine for Michelle. hehe Eventually the media won’t be able to ignore the gaffes, bungles and failures. The MSM ratings are so low….when a few more thousand “journalists” get laid off, they might start doing real reporting. For example only Fox so far is reporting the Democrat VP Biden gaffe from this morning, telling Americans to stay off Planes and trains. Could Obama have his expert HHS Sec or Surgeon General address the nation about the flu pandemic instead of ole steady Joe? hehe. Oh that’s right he doesn’t have a Surgeon General and his HHS Sec is still revising her tax returns. hehe What a brilliant President and fabulous administration!

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — April 30, 2009 @ 1:16 pm - April 30, 2009

  18. It was refreshing, he said, to have someone in the White House whose rhetoric is more uplifting, less acrimonious.

    I’m curious as hell to find anything Chairman Obama has said that is “more uplifting, less acrimonious”. What’s uplifting about his ongoing “America sucks ass!” message?

    Surely Levi, projectionist ghillie or the big boob can explain?

    Methinks that with Obama’s increasing ubiquity on the airwaves, that may be a good thing for the Democrat’s standing among Americans.

    I’m thinking Americans are going to get sick of seeing Big Brother, everytime they turn around, real quick.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — April 30, 2009 @ 2:05 pm - April 30, 2009

  19. TGC,

    The ‘The country sucks, let me remake it in my image’ really resonates with fascists like bob. So I’m sure that’s his uplifting.

    Comment by The Livewire — April 30, 2009 @ 2:29 pm - April 30, 2009

  20. Levi: It’s not just the words – it’s the TONE OF VOICE and the BODY LANGUAGE and the sheer arrogance conveyed during the statement that made it offensive.

    It’s the same arrogance and dismissivness he’s displayed regarding this week’s NYC terrorism.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — April 30, 2009 @ 2:30 pm - April 30, 2009

  21. Your post Titled “GOP needs to tap into energy of Tea Parties”
    Links and discussed Ceagle who basically called for the GOP to tap into anger.
    Now you dutifully are complying with his call.

    You do it through your “headfake” by trying to arouse anger through your exaggerated claim that Obama “smeared” the tea bag parties.
    You have yet to actually explained how he smeared them, you just simply through it out there and hope it sticks.
    Similar to your claim that Obama is getting “defensive” and then calling him “Thin Skinned”

    It’s the classic right ploy. Throw as many false memes out there and hope one sticks.
    I don’t blame you for trying, just try not to be so obvious about it.

    Comment by gillie — April 30, 2009 @ 3:12 pm - April 30, 2009

  22. (sorry #20 is a response to #8)

    Comment by gillie — April 30, 2009 @ 3:13 pm - April 30, 2009

  23. Levi, you still have not given any examples of when former President Bush made statements that were divisive. Simply say he was obsessed with his image (which, if were true, would have required him to spend every press conference defending himself against all the personal, not policy attacks) just doesn’t cut it.

    Comment by Margo — April 30, 2009 @ 3:20 pm - April 30, 2009

  24. At least GWB proved one thing – he’s smarter than Joe Biden.

    Then again, so is practically everyone else. With a few exceptions (hello gillie).

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — April 30, 2009 @ 3:28 pm - April 30, 2009

  25. Levi #14, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Now you put your cards on the table and show where you’re really coming from. To be really critical of W, we have to call him a bad person. That’s how you define criticism.

    We can disagree with his policies, but have to denounce the man for it to count as true criticism.

    So, by your own standard then I have never criticized Obama because I think that while his rhetoric is divisive (blaming his predecessor, etc.), I still think that deep down he is a good man who does want the nation to succeed.

    I’m just stunned by your admission and by the obsession you have with the former President. It’s not enough to criticize him. We have to denounced him. Amazing, just amazing. Thank you, thank you, thank you, once again, you make my point.

    You can rant and rave all you want, but the record is there; we–and many other conservatives–did take him to task for his spending. (Google Lyn Nofziger or Dick Armey along with key words Bush, criticize and spending for some examples.)

    No, gillie, you don’t address my points. Yes, I am asking the GOP to tap into anger, but to do so, but staying focused on the issues without personalizing it.

    And please, please, critics, pay heed to what Margo said in comment #22 and provide example of W’s divisive statements.

    Guys, you’re not in this for the discussion, you’re in this to attack Republicans and demonize Bush. And Levi’s comment says it better than I ever could.

    So, Levi, once again, thank you. Thank you.

    Comment by GayPatriotWest — April 30, 2009 @ 3:41 pm - April 30, 2009

  26. and I really miss the class and gracious Laura Bush.

    Comment by Pamela — April 30, 2009 @ 4:04 pm - April 30, 2009

  27. So no response about Democrat Joe Bidens blunder about telling Americans to stay home? Should we just get use to daily gaffes or are you guys gonna try to reign in this collection of morons? Until the Obamaphiles themselves start calling the Obama White House on their blunders, Obama will continue to be arrogant and so will his surrogates. Don’t the leftists want this group to improve on this 3 months of stumbles? You got to agree America can do better.

    Comment by Gene on Pennsylvania — April 30, 2009 @ 4:06 pm - April 30, 2009

  28. #26 – Gene, I can’t think of another politician that better fits the cheesy politican stereotype more than Joe Biden. He can’t even feign humility. He’s his own SNL parody.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — April 30, 2009 @ 4:10 pm - April 30, 2009

  29. Levi, you still have not given any examples of when former President Bush made statements that were divisive. Simply say he was obsessed with his image (which, if were true, would have required him to spend every press conference defending himself against all the personal, not policy attacks) just doesn’t cut it.

    I might be able to get back to you on that, but first I need someone to explain why this comment by Obama is divisive. I see absolutely nothing in this statement, which by the way is a sentence fragment that doesn’t even make grammatical sense the way it’s being excerpted here, that could be construed as being divisive. Further, complaining about somebody being divisive implies that there is some sort of willingness or eagerness on the part of the complainant to be unified. Are you going to pretend like that’s the case with the conservative movement and Obama?

    Comment by Levi — April 30, 2009 @ 5:03 pm - April 30, 2009

  30. While I’m not a fan of Bush’s record, I have to say W was and is a nice person. In contrast, Obama is arrogant and self-satisfied. He’s got that entitlement mentality; hence, the perpetual smirk.

    Comment by Juju — April 30, 2009 @ 5:06 pm - April 30, 2009

  31. Can we all make a pact in 2009 never again to use the word “meme”?

    Please, I’m begging…

    Best wishes,
    -MFS

    Comment by MFS — April 30, 2009 @ 5:18 pm - April 30, 2009

  32. Levi #14, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Now you put your cards on the table and show where you’re really coming from. To be really critical of W, we have to call him a bad person. That’s how you define criticism.

    You’re really starting to tip your hand at this point. I define criticism the way everyone else does, and you simply never criticized him, for his policies or anything else. And here is my point; if you had criticized him, even if we contain it to a narrow issue such as fiscal responsibility, you should have come to the conclusion that he’s a bad person. This is someone that was elected by promising to cut spending, an issue that is supposedly of paramount importance to the conservative platform, and he betrayed those promises completely and repeatedly and unprecedentedly. Do you know what that’s called? It’s called lying. He lied to conservatives about the thing that they say they hold dearest…. doesn’t that make him a bad person? Didn’t he trick you? Didn’t he use you and manipulate you for his own, personal political gain? Since when is openly lying about the fundamental tenants of your governing ideology a characteristic of a ‘good, decent man?’

    And that’s leaving aside the fact that he’s gotten tens of thousands of American military personnel killed or maimed because he was too stupid and lazy to develop a coherent plan to fight a war that he also sold by lying over and over again. Ever see the video of him joking about how we didn’t find any WMDs in Iraq? Yeah, that guy was a real class act.

    You know I could go on. The bottom line is that even if I were to take your word regards to criticizing George Bush’s spending when he was President, it just doesn’t make sense that you would be heralding him as a good and decent man instead of vilifying him for being a deceptive, two-faced politic hack. You’re obviously more than eager to describe Barack Obama in such a way, after all.

    Comment by Levi — April 30, 2009 @ 5:35 pm - April 30, 2009

  33. Can we all make a pact in 2009 never again to use the word “meme”?

    Please, I’m begging…

    Best wishes,
    -MFS

    Memes are the lifeblood of the conservative movement. But I can stop using it if you like, I’ll instead refer to it them ‘regurgitated propaganda pieces.’

    Comment by Levi — April 30, 2009 @ 5:44 pm - April 30, 2009

  34. So no response about Democrat Joe Bidens blunder about telling Americans to stay home? Should we just get use to daily gaffes or are you guys gonna try to reign in this collection of morons? Until the Obamaphiles themselves start calling the Obama White House on their blunders, Obama will continue to be arrogant and so will his surrogates. Don’t the leftists want this group to improve on this 3 months of stumbles? You got to agree America can do better.

    Comment by Gene on Pennsylvania — April 30, 2009 @ 5:46 pm - April 30, 2009

  35. Looks like tomorrows Obama gaffes and blunders are already being written today. Geez. Obama’s Mexico deligation actually SPREAD swine flu into the USA. What a bunch of dopes. Is it too much to ask that his administration stop spreading panic (VP Biden) or spreading diseases? Lordy lordy what a group. Could we bring back some of the Bush people to teach the Obamaphiles how to 1. wash their hands 2. use sanitizer 3. avoid kissing cheeks 4. avoid shaking hands. You know the basics.
    Boobs, morons, cheats and dummies. hehe
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21940.html
    Could we ask the President to stick to traveling to the blue states for the time being. hehe

    Comment by Gene on Pennsylvania — April 30, 2009 @ 5:51 pm - April 30, 2009

  36. Looks like tomorrows Obama gaffes and blunders are already being written today. Geez. Obama’s Mexico deligation actually SPREAD swine flu into the USA. What a bunch of dopes. Is it too much to ask that his administration stop spreading panic (VP Biden) or spreading diseases? Lordy lordy what a group. Could we bring back some of the Bush people to teach the Obamaphiles how to 1. wash their hands 2. use sanitizer 3. avoid kissing cheeks 4. avoid shaking hands. You know the basics.

    Okay, now you’re complaining that Obama doesn’t have the clairvoyance required to predict potential swine flu pandemics, huh? You realize that this guy that got sick left Mexico two weeks, don’t you? Did you know anything about swine flu two weeks ago?

    Yeah, that’s what I thought.

    Also, what Joe Biden said was stupid, so you can stop flailing around now. Additionally, you can stop by any number of liberal blogs and find all sorts of posts criticizing Obama. Our side has done more criticism of our President in 100 days than your side did in 8 years.

    Comment by Levi — April 30, 2009 @ 6:20 pm - April 30, 2009

  37. Further, complaining about somebody being divisive implies that there is some sort of willingness or eagerness on the part of the complainant to be unified.

    You mean like the incessant bitching by liberals over the past 8 years?

    Gimme a fckin break.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — April 30, 2009 @ 7:21 pm - April 30, 2009

  38. Bush divisive? I’ve spent most of the last eight years wishing that, just once, Bush would be divisive.

    Of Bush’s faults, acting like a doormat has to be one of the worst.

    #1 bob: to see only classlessness on the right, to see nothing on the left beyond the pale takes a level of obtuseness far beyond my abilities.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — April 30, 2009 @ 8:02 pm - April 30, 2009

  39. Levi, you made your point above. You laid your cards on your table. You redefine criticism so you can fit me in the little box you have all those of us who don’t spend the better part of their day stewing in their hatred of the immediate past president of the United States.

    You don’t need take my word that I criticized W. The record is there; you just don’t want to acknowledge it.

    And much as I criticized his spending, he wasn’t a liar. He didn’t run as a Reagan conservative; he ran as a compassionate conservative. (A number of disappointed conservative/libertarian bloggers have pointed this out–you might know it if you read their blogs and didn’t define criticize as vilification.)

    So, I’m not quite sure if you’re referring to him (or his successor) when you write, “This is someone that was elected by promising to cut spending.” Obama was elected by promising to cut spending. I’m cited the third debate so often that when you google “Obama ‘net spending cut’ third debate” (with quotation marks only around “net spending cut”), one of my posts comes up—at least on my browser.

    Oh, and please since you’ve brought up W’s lying. Please identify one lie Bush made in “selling” us the war. To be a lying, he must have known at the time that he was saying something that wasn’t true. So, what we need is (1) actual statement from W; (2) evidence he knew what he said was wrong when he made it.

    Thanks.

    Comment by GayPatriotWest — April 30, 2009 @ 8:31 pm - April 30, 2009

  40. Finally a leftist in here called Jumpin Joe Biden, Ole Joe, stupid. Thanks. Took you a while to agree. Maybe if the Obama travel party had used some small examples of daily cleanliness they wouldn’t have brought back swine flu to the nations capital. Obamateleprompter last night said 6 times “wash your hands”. Why didn’t he require his own travel party to do the same. Boobs. Morons. Have you leftists asked Obama to put Biden back in the attic for a while so the whole country isn’t embarassed? Quite frankly I’m tired of having to bring up the daily blunders of this administration. I was hoping Obama would bring respect and energy to the office. I hoped he’d challenge the status quo and help fire up the economy. He’s done the opposite. A new Obama record of 6.3 million unemployed. A revised first quarter GDP loss of 6.1%. These are horrific trends. Where’s the plan. The shovel ready jobs. During the campaign he told us he was ready, he knew how to turn things around. What a horrible mistake.

    Comment by Gene on Pennsylvania — April 30, 2009 @ 9:04 pm - April 30, 2009

  41. Say what you will, I can’t recall one administration that had a DAILY blunder to argue away during their first 100 days. Geez. Ole Robert “cone head” Gibbs is required to dance every day to try to explain, Sabelious, Biden, Napalatano, Geithner, the guy who OK’d air force one to buzz the WTC site (or was it Obama), the guy who wrote the “returning GI’s are terrorists coming home to America” memo, yada yada yada. It’s tiring.

    Comment by Gene on Pennsylvania — April 30, 2009 @ 9:09 pm - April 30, 2009

  42. Hmmmm

    Comment by Levi — April 30, 2009 @ 9:44 pm - April 30, 2009

  43. And much as I criticized his spending, he wasn’t a liar. He didn’t run as a Reagan conservative; he ran as a compassionate conservative. (A number of disappointed conservative/libertarian bloggers have pointed this out–you might know it if you read their blogs and didn’t define criticize as vilification.)

    Oh, okay. And compassionate conservative means a conservative that governs with deficits, right? Versus a Reagan conservative, which means a conservative who…. governs with…. deficits…. What is the difference here, exactly?

    Um, I don’t think you’re making much sense here. Additionally, are you saying that a conservative movement nominated, elected, and re-elected someone, with full awareness, that campaigned on more spending? The same conservative movement that’s been throwing a huge fit over Obama’s spending?

    So, I’m not quite sure if you’re referring to him (or his successor) when you write, “This is someone that was elected by promising to cut spending.” Obama was elected by promising to cut spending. I’m cited the third debate so often that when you google “Obama ‘net spending cut’ third debate” (with quotation marks only around “net spending cut”), one of my posts comes up—at least on my browser.

    I’m referring to George Bush. And no, Obama was not elected by promising to cut spending. I know you’re really happy about one sentence that you can pull out of a two-year campaign, but Obama’s supporters didn’t want or expect a ‘net spending cut.’ We want him to spend, to stabilize the economy, to reform health care, to invest in technology and infrastructure, you know, to solve problems. That’s not to say that it doesn’t suck that he throws out things during a campaign that he doesn’t really mean, and that’s not to say that he’s followed through with all or even most of what’s contained in the Democratic party’s platform. But a ‘net spending cut,’ given the current state of the country, is not a part of that platform.

    Oh, and please since you’ve brought up W’s lying. Please identify one lie Bush made in “selling” us the war. To be a lying, he must have known at the time that he was saying something that wasn’t true. So, what we need is (1) actual statement from W; (2) evidence he knew what he said was wrong when he made it.

    http://www.impeachbush.tv/args/altubes.html

    As but one of literally dozens of examples, Bush and his administration claimed that aluminum tubes in Iraq were going to be used to enrich uranium, even though his own energy department said that the exact opposite.

    Comment by Levi — April 30, 2009 @ 9:45 pm - April 30, 2009

  44. Oh, okay. And compassionate conservative means a conservative that governs with deficits, right? Versus a Reagan conservative, which means a conservative who…. governs with…. deficits…. What is the difference here, exactly?

    Um, I don’t think you’re making much sense here. Additionally, are you saying that a conservative movement nominated, elected, and re-elected someone, with full awareness, that campaigned on more spending? The same conservative movement that’s been throwing a huge fit over Obama’s spending?

    Also, I’m referring to George Bush. And no, Obama was not elected by promising to cut spending. I know you’re really happy about one sentence that you can pull out of a two-year campaign, but Obama’s supporters didn’t want or expect a ‘net spending cut.’ We want him to spend, to stabilize the economy, to reform health care, to invest in technology and infrastructure, you know, to solve problems. That’s not to say that it doesn’t suck that he throws out things during a campaign that he doesn’t really mean, and that’s not to say that he’s followed through with all or even most of what’s contained in the Democratic party’s platform. But a ‘net spending cut,’ given the current state of the country, is not a part of that platform.

    http://www.impeachbush.tv/args/altubes.html

    Finally, as but one of literally dozens of examples, Bush and his administration claimed that aluminum tubes in Iraq were going to be used to enrich uranium, even though his own energy department said that the exact opposite.

    Comment by Levi — April 30, 2009 @ 9:46 pm - April 30, 2009

  45. Once again, Levi refers to the previous administration as lying, and decides they’re 75% greedy and corrupt but the current administration’s abandonment and breaking of campaign pledges just ‘sucks’.

    Oh, and lets not forget, that the nominated legal advisor to the state department argued in 2002 that Iraq had WMD and that’s why we shouldn’t attack.

    But I’m sure levi’s conspiracy theories cover this. Or does it ‘disappoint’ him or just ‘suck’ that he argued that Iraq had WMD.

    Then again, Levi refuses to read any information that confirms the presense of biologics in Iraq. He also believes that liberating a naton, in a policy determined in 1998 is wrong. But chucking missles into another country is just fine

    Comment by The_Livewire — April 30, 2009 @ 10:46 pm - April 30, 2009

  46. Divider-in-chief…

    GayPatriot: … the president has been more critical of his fellow Americans than have perhaps any of his predecessors at least since Nixon. As to his immediate predecessor, can anyone recall when George W. Bush mocked ant-war rallies, using a……

    Trackback by Brutally Honest — May 1, 2009 @ 10:21 am - May 1, 2009

  47. #24
    “No, gillie, you don’t address my points. Yes, I am asking the GOP to tap into anger, but to do so, but staying focused on the issues without personalizing it.”

    Huh?
    Issues? Like your headfake of Obama’s “smear”

    Yeah right.
    Talk all you want GPW, but its clear you are simply trying to manufacture rage

    Comment by gillie — May 1, 2009 @ 10:22 am - May 1, 2009

  48. And I’m still waiting for one of our TITs to address my challenge back on #13 – name one arrogant Republican. Just one.

    The silence speaks volumes.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — May 1, 2009 @ 10:55 am - May 1, 2009

  49. Levi, do expect anyone to take seriously a link to a site which calls itself “Impeach Bush.” At least, it shows you where you define yourself–on the far fringes of civil discourse.

    To provide an example of his lying, you must cite the actual words he spoke and contrast them to information showing that he knew those words to be false. A biased site is not a credible source.

    Obama was not elected by promising to cut spending? He was? It wasn’t just one line from a two-year campaign. He himself said that what he’s done “throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut.” And this wasn’t just any forum, this was the third presidential debate when he knew he had a very larger audience, including many undecided voters.

    Since you’re so sure he did not promise to cut spending, please provide examples from the campaign when Obama proposed huge spending increases and larger annual deficits for the next decade.

    Levi, the ball is in your court.

    Comment by GayPatriotWest — May 2, 2009 @ 4:57 am - May 2, 2009

  50. GPW you know that Levi will flick past the obvious evidence about Obummer and his promises to cut spending. Even after taking on the Presidency he keeps on about spending cuts, tightening belts and then he goes on a spending binge.

    Obsessive Compulsive Disorder?

    An outside observer 🙂

    I should add here that I am conservative and I do not hate gays. On the other hand I do not like those who flaunt their lifestyle in my face. It is quite sickening. Sexual orientation should remain in the bedroom.

    Comment by thestraightaussie — May 3, 2009 @ 10:06 pm - May 3, 2009

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