Corruption “crosses” the aisle?…it’s always been there. It been there since the Party’s and the Nation’s founding.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/14/pelosi-reiterates-didnt-know-waterboarding-use

Hint to Madame Botox – don’t piss off the CIA. They know how to get rid of people who cause them trouble.

I’m just sayin’ is all.

PS – I’m surprised a lot of troofers don’t recall that George H.W. Bush used to be in charge of the CIA. Coincidence? I think not.

Regards,
Peter H.

Mr. Baldwin’s liberal mind (I know, an oxymoron) is made up. Don’t try to confuse him with facts.

Regards,
Peter H.

A little water on a dish cloth is nothing compared to that.

And for those who love to cite the Geneva Conventions (which also are not a suicide pact) the GC apply to signatories. Al Quaida aren’t. They apply to uniformed personel, Al Quaida aren’t (beards don’t count) Under Geneva, we can Jack Baur them all we want.

“That the relationship between the “High Contracting Parties” and a non-signatory, the party will remain bound until the non-signatory no longer acts under the strictures of the convention. “…Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof.”

Then later, Alec whines and screams:

Bybee should be impeached.

But of course, not Pelosi or Obama, both of whom lied about their endorsement of what they are now screaming is “torture”.

And along those lines:

If we’re at the point where you are not concerned about the US government using illegal methds to interrogate prisoners, then I don’t know what to say.

Obviously given that you are not berating Pelosi and Obama for their lack of concern about what you call “illegal methods”, you shouldn’t say much.

If only you had as much concern for the lives of law-abiding citizens as you do those of murderous criminal thugs, Alec. But unfortunately, in the Obama Party, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Bill Ayers are more valuable than those people they sent to their deaths.

No, I believe you were stating that you weren’t concerned with waterboarding. It sounds a bit like deeming rape inconsequential when compared to murder. True, I suppose, but hardly material to the conversation at hand. And the Navy’s use of waterboarding as a technique to prepare consenting soldiers for interrogation techniques they will encounter in the battlefield is a far cry from its use on nonconsenting prisoners. They’re not even comparable situations and the ethics and legal issues involved are entirely different.

ThatGayConservative,

Even if there was evidence that torture “sav[ed] the lives of Americans,” there’s absolutely no evidence that it is generally effective and no evidence it is more effective than other interrogation techniques. Again, why don’t you bother to look at the history of the SERE program?

Bybee should be impeached. As far as prosecution, that’s a complicated matter. But Bybee has no place on the 9th Circuit.

The Justice Department’s Torture Hypocrisy

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjRhNWQ2YTRlYWI2NzU0Yjc0NmFlN2FjMmI2YzYyODU=

And if you’re in support of prosecution for waterboarding, once again, why aren’t you demanding prosecution of your TinC as the head of the military that waterboards its own?

As for your other post, I hope you’re medicated.

Patriot Goddess: Needless to say, I’d support prosecutions for beheading. If we’re at the point where you are not concerned about the US government using illegal methds to interrogate prisoners, then I don’t know what to say. It will be of no comfort to those who are tortured when you tell them, sorry, but it is all tit for tat now, we waterboard so what happened to you was perfectly fine.

Thankfully, that’s not the position of the Pentagon.

We don’t have examples of it because they prefer beheading and other apparently ‘kinder, gentler’ (to the left) methods rather than waterboarding, which I don’t consider torture, so no, I wouldn’t support prosecutions for waterboarding of our soldiers. Like I said before, waterboarding is the least of my concerns where terrorists are involved, in any capacity.

But of course, you don’t plan to actually do anything about that, because after all, that wouldn’t benefit you politically.

The funny part is, Alec, that you seem to have the belief of your Obamamessiah that you can mouth weaselly words and not actually do anything. What people are realizing is that you and your fellow Obama Party members simply lie when you claim you oppose these things. It’s not unlike how you claim to oppose welfare fraud, then support Obama’s illegal-immigrant aunt living in welfare housing, getting welfare healthcare, getting a no-show government job, and getting welfare checks large enough that she can afford to give money to Obama’s campaign.

Obviously not, since the Obama Party supports and endorses it, as we see from Obama and from Nancy Pelosi, as well as its refusal to prosecute and impeach both Obama and Pelosi for supporting it.

The surveillance did not only involve non-citizens (it is the international nature of the communications that are at issue, not those who receive the communications), and it wasn’t authorized by the Patriot Act. The administration argued that the AUMF “implicitly” authorized a circumvention of the FISA statute, despite the exclusivity provision in the FISA statute. Alternatively, they relied on the president’s constitutional authority.

But I’ll give you this much: Obama and Congressional Democrats were complicit when they authorized retroactive immunity for telecoms.

To my knowledge it hasn’t come up in any prosecutions of terrorist operatives yet, but we don’t have many examples of Al Qaeda or Taliban operatives who have captured and tortured US soldiers. Clearly, though, the US military (at least the Navy) anticipates such a possibility because they’re training them for it. So my question to you is this: If the method is used on US soldiers, would you support prosecutions for it?

BTW, we’ve prosecuted US soldiers for the use of waterboarding against prisoners of war, maybe most famously during the Vietnam war.

What’s ironic about SERE is that it was established after the Korean War, to assist soldiers who would be subject to abuse when they were captured by communists, who used the techniques to obtain (often, if not usually, faulty) intelligence. The use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” is merely a reverse engineering of sort of SERE by the Bush administration, to use the resistance training to obtain intelligence. But in doing so they managed to ignore one of the central findings of the Korean War: the taped “confessions” obtained by Communists during the Korean war were false. And military intelligence officials knew they were false because they had the correct intelligence, and the soldiers being tortured didn’t have the information. So, morality aside, they were usually ineffective. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22detain.html

Does the Taliban use waterboarding? We know that they use torture. I don’t think it would be a stretch to infer that waterboarding is at least not outside the range of what they deem acceptable.

Which is a misnomer, and therefore wrong. You must be talking about “terrorist surveillance,” where NON-AMERICAN citizens’ communications were monitored after 9/11 per the Patriot Act (you know, the one that even Dhimmicrats voted for).

It was not illegal as it was part of the Patriot Act. That is, unless you wish to re-write history as such.

Try again.

Regards,
Peter H.

An interesting question. Since it is being used to prepare soldiers for the use of waterboarding in violation of US and international law, for the purpose of extracting information, I think that there’s a clear difference. Presumably, they consent to the procedure. There’s no question of consent in the context of detainees.

Are you against prosecuting terrorists who have used waterboarding to extract information from US soldiers, then?