Since many of our critics delight in demonizing W, often using the comments section of posts where we don’t even highlight the former president’s merits nor acknowledge his failings to remind us how the Republican remains, in their view, a horrible, no good, very bad man, I thought I’d offer them a little challenge so they could put their money where the mouth is and show how truly intolerant, narrow-minded and hateful this man was.
So, here’s the challenge:
Recall how back in March 2003, just before US troops invaded Iraq to liberate that nation from Saddam Hussein, Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks told a London audience:
Just so you know, we’re on the good side with y’all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we’re ashamed that the president of the United States is from Texas.
A singer for an American country music trio denounces her nation’s president on foreign soil. And this was only the beginning of the group’s attacks on the then-President.
Given the Dixie Chicks’ attacks on Bush, surely that Republican, being as horrible as you say, must have done something to censure, if not censor, the group. Please provide evidence of his criticism–or that of any official spokesman–for the White House (at the time). Please show how he coordinated efforts to denounce the group and/or use their criticism to his political advantage.
For this challenge, I’m not interested in what conservative bloggers, pundits or radio hosts had to say. The issue here is the supposedly maleficent Bush. Here’s your chance. Show how truly bad this man was, in how he reacted to this criticism.
If you come up empty-handed, then you’re free to provide examples of him denouncing or prosecuting others protesting the Iraq War.
Sorry to depress you, GPW, but it doesn’t make any difference.
Just today, SoCal-hubby (who’s visiting family in the midwest) called me to relate a conversation between his brother and his 20-something nephew (who always seemed apolitical to me) wherein his young nephew revealed his belief that 9-11 was an inside job so that Bush could ram the Patriot Act through Congress so that government would have the power to disappear US citizens. A lot of people seem to subscribe to this notion.
Despite the fact brain cells like the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, Keith Olbermann, and Rosie O’Donnell remain at-large, nephew won’t be dissuaded. When people buy into this sort of drivel, it’s hard to be optimistic.
How long can a self-loathing civilization survive?
wow, you are dumb.
of course the f’in president of the united states isn’t going to react publicly to the freakin’ dixie chicks. it was media outlets like fox news and other conservatives that went on a crusade against the dixie chicks.
bob,
It’s a trap. Think, bob, think! Here’s a hint:
I think I know how the hook and line were, but how was the sinker?
Very convenient. After that disgraceful display from conservatives across the country, I’m shocked that you care about Carrie Prejean at all. Bush said at the time that freedom was a two way street and they shouldn’t have their feelings hurt simply because people might not buy their records. Why, then, the concern for the response to Prejean?
I’ll tell you why: Do as I say, not as I do is your motto.
Oh this is so fun. Two down in four posts. Remind me to save bob’s post to add to his pro-Nazi post 🙂
Alec, I assume you believe President Bush should have mandated that all good Americans buy Dixie Chicks albums, just to show how open-minded we all are and that we harbored no ill feelings for their disparaging our president and his policies in a foreign country? Or is it that you believe we should have all run out, without prompting, and supported the Chicks by buying their albums, again, to show we were open-minded?
I haven’t gone to see any of Michael Moore’s movies, either. Am I a bad American? Perhaps worse than Perez Hilton, who merely asked a question, then didn’t like the answer–and said so in no uncertain terms?
I see they have not proved anything so far. Looks like Boob fell into the Booby trap.
If you come up empty-handed, then you’re free to provide examples of him denouncing or prosecuting others protesting the Iraq War.
Well, I’m going to go ahead and skip all the retarded Dixie Chicks nonsense and skip right to this. I don’t suppose this will count in your book, but here you go, from a speech in Israel last year:
Mr Bush said: “Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along.”
The President added: “We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.”
This was hardly the first time that Bush conjured up this liberals-want-to-negotiate-with-the-terrorists bullsh*t, nor was he the only one in his administration trotting this and other straw men out. Liberals were routinely accused of not supporting the troops, of being outright traitorous by not adequately supporting Bush, of wanting to coddle the terrorists, and on and on. Bush had a whole apparatus to make these ridiculous attacks for him, though he by no means totally refrained, as I demonstrated above.
There’s something else you don’t understand; it’s not that we just don’t like George Bush, we don’t like the rest of you guys either. Criticism of Bush is criticism of you. As much as you guys would like to be absolved of your relationship with him, sorry, it’s not going to happen. Especially as you firmly defend every one of his crazy policies.
if you noobs seriously think a comparison can be made between the president responding to the dixie chicks and the president responding to rush libaugh, you are even dumber than i thought. rush libaugh actually has the power to influence republican legislators — indeed, many even label him the current leader of the R party. the dixie chicks, on the other hand, are just a band (even if a lovely one ;)).
I stopped listening to the Chicks that day. I cannot stand the sound of them ever since.
Only a true idiot would claim that Rush influences ANY GOP legislators. If only he did!! Sheesh, Bob, get a clue. Rush and the GOP are so far apart it’s sick.
so again, bob and levi are forced to admit that President Bush is more ethical than President Obama.
Oh, and Levi still holds to the delusion that he’s the only person on the planet who suddenly awoke one day and decided that President Bush was evil. Even though the critiques of President Bush from the right have been well documented and frequent.
What parts of President Bush’s policy did you disagree with Levi? The Pelosi approved EIT? OR maybe this quote.
“Moreover, if we quickly succeed in a war against the weakened and depleted fourth rate military of Iraq and then quickly abandon that nation as President Bush has abandoned Afghanistan after quickly defeating a fifth rate military there, the resulting chaos could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from Saddam. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
Oh wait, that was Al Gore.
But I forget, you’re the one on the record who wants to live in a country ruled by men in black robes deciding what parts of the constitution are more important than others.
Levi – before now, I just disagreed with you but had no reason to dislike you (why would I – having never met you). But now I know. You are an ass.
There’s no point in refuting the
argumentsrote talking points of someone who refuses to be confused with the facts or who can’t assemble a cogent argument.But who here said they wanted to be absolved of our relationship with Bush? Unlike you, we’re not cowards who abandon our leadership at the first hint of bad poll numbers. And why would I need people like you to absolve me?
Zounds! Cut to the quick, I say. Has anyone ever been so shocked by a revelation such as this:
I am going to tell Obambi that you don’t even want unity. Geezopete, who would have thunk it?
Forgot to add:
Look at that sentence. “As he abandoned Afganistan.” News flash to Al Gore We’re still there..
….of what? Imbeciles?
Hey! Did they open for Pelosi when she took her act to Syria and played for Assad even though the State Department asked her not to do the gig?
This isn’t fair. This challenge makes all the wonderful leftist commenters sound like Nancy Pelosi. Though I am sure one of the will come up with something soon.
Oh & I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks are Americans and I generally keep all the froward mouth leftists in my prayers.
If anyone has time on his hands, perhaps he can decipher what is being said here:
You know how digital TV signals freeze and burp? The above reads like a rotten cell connection. (This from #4 above, but there is nothing more to supply context. Does this happen when you smoke rope with the lighted end inside the mouth??
Forgot to add:
Look at that sentence. “As he abandoned Afganistan.” News flash to Al Gore We’re still there..
We’re still there….. nearly 8 years later. He abandoned Afghanistan (and bin Laden, and Al-Qaeda) to go waste everyone’s times, lives, and money in Iraq.
Wars that last 8 years against a bunch of disjointed, radical cavemen are not something to be proud of. You say ‘we’re still there’ like you’re proud of it. We’ve been there for this long and haven’t achieved anything there. Can you not recognize how poorly that reflects on George Bush, Republicans, and the conservative movement?
The dumb leftists missed the 45 million Arabs and Muslims freed by GW Bush. And since this post has gotten so many liberals out from under the bed……could some of you comment on all of this weeks liberal Democrat embarassments, bungles, fumbles, gaffes etc.
We so want to hear your excuses.
Since some of the liberals and lefitsts have rejoined us after Obamas tough tough week I was wondering if you could help me out with the following…..when the Democrats embarrass themselves we notice how you guys flee for a week or two unable to defend……
Since gille has rejoined the group….
What did you think of Pelosis press conference? Should she, like Obama use teleprompters exclusively when addressing anyone in public? How do you explain away her bumbling? Is she the best and brightest of the House Democrats? Was Panetta right to come out publically to support his agents and totally contradict the Speaker? Did Obama know Pelosi Harman Berman Rockefeller Dodd all knew about waterboarding? Was it helpful for Cheney to ask for more CIA memos be released to prove enhanced interogations had been successful? Will you accept more help like this from the previous administration to help get Obama thru stickey situations? Are you glad Obama took Cheneys suggestion, to not release more Abugrab photos, as it would endanger innocent American troops overseas? Domestically, were you surprised CEO Obama closed all the Chrysler plants? Did you expect him to close so many auto dealerships and lay off all those employees as well? Sorry about the length. But when Obama has such tough weeks, it seems all the Obamaphiles and leftists hide under the bed. And we can’t get straight answers to simple questions. As you know the press doesn’t help out much. Thx.
Is is heartening that after taking office Obamateleprompter is now mimicking most all of Bushes national security and anti terror policies. It is only a matter of weeks before he also flip flops on his statement to close GITMO. Why? because no one wants those 250 mass terrorists housed in their communities. I for one would like them housed in county jails in blue cities in blue states. Spread them around to Levi, gille, Alec, bob (boob) corner jails. That way if they escape or their buds come to blow them out, it will be the liberals families in danger. Leftists think terrorism is a game, a video game. It always astounded me that it was the heart of blue America that was attacked by the terrorists. It was Bush who paid them back. Yet it is blue America that wants to have a nice jury trial of these mad men. Liberals become conservatives when thier mothers, their sisters their daughters are mugged, murdered or raped. Then they all become conservatives who believe in gun rights.
Obama is being faced with reality. He has back tracked on almost every campaign promise made to the far left in regards to terror tactics and natl security. It wouldn’t surprise me to find he has asked the adults from the Bush Cheney administration to come in and councel him. Cheneys advise last week was taken by Obama. I’d like to thank the former VP for standing up bravely and helping out the current President at this time.
Levi – before now, I just disagreed with you but had no reason to dislike you (why would I – having never met you). But now I know. You are an ass.
There’s no point in refuting the arguments rote talking points of someone who refuses to be confused with the facts or who can’t assemble a cogent argument.
Lot of words to say nothing.
But who here said they wanted to be absolved of our relationship with Bush? Unlike you, we’re not cowards who abandon our leadership at the first hint of bad poll numbers. And why would I need people like you to absolve me?
Sorry bud, that’s exactly how it played out during the Bush years. Funny thing is, it was really the conservative leadership that abandoned you. Delay, Hastert, Frist, Lott, Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney… they’re gone. They got theirs, and now you dupes are left with an empty husk of a dying political party.
That way if they escape or their buds come to blow them out, it will be the liberals families in danger
Wow, that is just an amazing statement. Have you lived in this country long? Do you think you’re in a G.I. Joe cartoon?
Bingo!
So if Obambi is still trying to get the bunch of disjointed, radical cavemen in 2012, you will say what? And the DMZ in Korea is for what purpose? Any US troops still keeping things in order in the Balkans? How about those wild and crazy guys in Iran? You would think that Carter would have the Palestinians happy and in their own state by this time. How about ignoring Chavez? He is just a disjointed, radical Marxist with oil. Oh, yeah, those Somali pirate children are sure a hoot. Obambi is right on top of them, no?
The thing is, by all accounts, the situation in Afghanistan/Pakistan has deteriorated since Obama has taken over (what hasn’t gotten worse since obama took over?), with the Times of India reporting that al Qaeda/Taliban extremists have already taken partial control over some pakistani nukes:
Which, as we discovered with the original Barack Obama, aka Jimmy Carter, is what happens when your foreign policy consists of apology, appeasement and general liberal pussyism.
Wow, that is just an amazing statement. Have you lived in this country long? Do you think you’re in a G.I. Joe cartoon?
And that’s the problem, silly Levi; for you and your Obama Party, time ceased to flow on September 10, 2001.
While you may, given your racist beliefs about “cavemen” and whatnot, believe that these people are not capable of hurting you, they proved otherwise in rather spectacular fashion on 9/11. Your party’s reaction shows that you still don’t get that fact, inasmuch as you are still making excuses for them, still bashing our military, and still pretending that people who are trained to lie, resist our published interrogation manual, and saw off the heads of Jews are somehow entitled to even more rights than your Obama Party grants our own citizens.
Terrorism is a political issue for the Obama Party, not a matter of life and death. Obama will support Hamas, as he did when sitting in the pews clapping and cheering for Jeremiah Wright, because doing so scores him political points with the left. He doesn’t care that these people are out to kill millions of living, breathing human beings, propagandizing children, and teaching them how to be suicide bombers; he only cares that he has the love of the left.
Oh what fun:
For example……? And which of the “many” label him the current leader of the “R party”?
Hell, he doesn’t even get a front row seat at press conferences like Ed “Brothas” Schultz.
I’m picturing F. Murray Abraham absolving his fellow patients in the asylum at the end of Amadeus. Same thing here.
Maybe he should have denied SF requests for support and equipment like lord BJ did to our soldiers in the Mog? You don’t deny SF their requests for anything, but he sure as hell did.
It is only a matter of weeks before he also flip flops on his statement to close GITMO.
I predicted back in November that he wouldn’t do it. Just before and after the election, the liberal media suddenly realized that there were some dirty bastards down there. This, of course, gives him an out. That in the fact that European critics of Club Gitmo have told he and Holder to shove it.
What disgraceful display, Alec? The issue here is your antagonism against the former president and here I’m making a point about his merits, not that of his various defenders.
And, um, Levi, um, uh, is faulting their ideas an ad hominem attack? DId, in the passages you cite, he attack his critics or malign their motives? Nope, he just said their ideas had been tried before . . . and failed.
I’m waiting for Levi to try and defend Chairman Obama. But then he doesn’t consider the messiah to be a real liberal. Frankly, I don’t see how he couldn’t be. He completely checks out:
Hatred of America…check.
Hatred of the military…check.
Punishes producers…check.
Rewards those who don’t…check.
Spends like a drunken Marxist…check.
Arrogant condescension of anybody lower than himself…check.
Blatant disregard for property rights…check.
Hatred of businesses that provide jobs as well as goods and services…check.
Would bankrupt the country to pay for idiotic global warmism measures which nobody has any idea whether they would work…check.
Would bankrupt the country to pay for (so far) the sci-fi embryonic stem cell “research”…check.
Would raise massive taxes and other punitive “fees” to allegedly pay for it all while driving businesses and people elsewhere…check.
Would take control of private businesses and reward his union cronies who coughed up billions to get him elected…check.
I could go on, but I fail to see how he’s not a real liberal. Frankly, Dan, I can’t see how you expect the liberals to respond to this challenge when they lack the testicles to answer any of the previous challenges put to them.
Yes Levi,
Thank you for admitting we’re still in Afganistan, despite the delusions of Al (I didn’t attack Bush for the first two years of his term) Gore.
And, um, Levi, um, uh, is faulting their ideas an ad hominem attack? DId, in the passages you cite, he attack his critics or malign their motives? Nope, he just said their ideas had been tried before . . . and failed.
Yeah, I knew you wouldn’t get it. Let me repeat what he said, for convenience:
Mr Bush said: “Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along.”
The President added: “We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.”
This isn’t ‘faulting their ideas,’ it’s making sh*t up. That is no liberal’s position, prominent or otherwise. I’m not sure you could call that an ad hominem attack, but it’s something far worse; he’s disseminating blatantly false propaganda about his political opponents. During the Bush years, these notes were hit by Republicans over and over again; liberals are weak on national defense because 1) they blame America first, 2) they don’t support the troops, 3) they want to understand/coddle the terrorists.
None of that is even remotely true, but it’s obviously made an impact on you. Here you refer to them as ‘their ideas’ that ‘had been tried before…. and failed,’ as if Bush is making a cogent point that actually describes a political faction in this country. You clearly believe Bush was talking about liberals, is that not true?
Additionally, you’re clearing implying in this ridiculous little challenge that Obama routinely engages in ad hominem attacks. Just to be clear, you consider Obama’s statement about people ‘waving teabags around’ an ad hominem attack, right?
Yes Levi,
Thank you for admitting we’re still in Afganistan, despite the delusions of Al (I didn’t attack Bush for the first two years of his term) Gore.
Al Gore’s point was that Bush abandoned Afghanistan, which is as true a statement as can be made about that war. Bush did abandon Afghanistan when he decided to focus all of our efforts on the much more complicated task of invading, occupying, and re-engineering Iraq. We’re still in Afghanistan because Bush intentionally never finished the job there.
This isn’t ‘faulting their ideas,’ it’s making sh*t up. That is no liberal’s position, prominent or otherwise.
Wrongo; in fact, it’s the position of the Obama Party.
Not that this surprises us; the Obama Party and its Code Pink allies also have passed government resolutions branding our troops as “uninvited and unwelcome intruders”.
Wrongo; in fact, it’s the position of the Obama Party.
You don’t get what she’s saying. But that tends to happen when you don’t even try to understand people, but instead eagerly pigeonhole them into fake categories provided by the propaganda masters of your political ideology.
I have an idea – why don’t you make an attempt to summarize her position in your own words? This should be good….
So to go back to the idea of negotiating… Who do you negotiate with Levi? Find for me these ‘moderate Taliban’ that President Obama keeps talking about. Please, tell me who you’d negotiate with?
And with troops in Afganistan, only you would call it abandoning it.
#31 – “We’re still in Afghanistan because Bush intentionally never finished the job there.”
Really? Got proof of such an idiotic statement, besides the echo chamber of your empty mind?
Levi, sometimes I swear that your colon is installed backwards.
Regards,
Peter H.
Really? Got proof of such an idiotic statement, besides the echo chamber of your empty mind?
Proof beyond the fact that after 8 years we haven’t finished the job there? What other proof is required?
You don’t get what she’s saying. But that tends to happen when you don’t even try to understand people, but instead eagerly pigeonhole them into fake categories provided by the propaganda masters of your political ideology.
Oh, I get exactly what she’s saying. It’s, “Osama bin Laden is right, so we should do what he says.”
What makes this really funny, Levi, is that you and your leftist ilk are insisting when it comes to people like Carrie Prejean that religious beliefs should be no basis for any type of legal, political, or diplomatic decisions — and then you argue that we should get out of the Middle East because it offends the radical Muslims.
Perhaps Christians need to take a lesson from Osama and start blaming the US for all the problems of the world, preaching genocide against Jews, and murdering them on YouTube. Then you and your leftist Obama Party might actually start respecting them and doing what they say.
Proof beyond the fact that after 8 years we haven’t finished the job there? What other proof is required?
Considering the fact that NATO took over in Afghanistan years ago, shouldn’t you be blaming them first?
BTW Obamateleprompter promised us he’d get Osama Bin Laden, tic toc tic toc. BUZZZZZZ Another lie! hehe It would be appreciated if he’d just come out and apologize to the former administrtion. All he has to say is “I was wrong about Pakistan, GITMO, military trials, and terror survelience. I am going to follow the Bush outlines going forward. This is the best way to continue to keep America safe.” I doubt if Bush and Cheney will publically say “I told you so.” Then he can move on to reopening his Chrysler dealerships. hehe
Gosh, see a whole lot of sidestepping, tapdancing, equivocating, and footstomping on this thread- but I still don’t see any solid examples of what the post’s author was asking for.
I thought all you lefties were the smart ones. All I’m seeing so far is whimpering and finger pointing.
You lefties suck it.
#36 – “What other proof is required?”
Proof of your idiotic statement that reads “We’re still in Afghanistan because Bush intentionally never finished the job there.”
To dumb this down for you – can you specifically prove that we are still in Afghanistan because Bush INTENTIONALLY never finished the job?
If you can prove it, cite it. If not, then retract your statement and apologize to all the US soldiers who are currently keeping us safe from al-Qaeda.
I double-dog-dare you.
Regards,
Peter H.
Remember Peter, Levi’s the guy who believes that President Bush is 75% evil.
He does make this too easy though.
And still no examples of administration officials demeaning the Dixie Chicks.
#41 – “Levi’s the guy who believes that President Bush is 75% evil.”
That’s funny considering that I believe Levi to be 99.44% stupid. The other .56% is evil.
Regards,
Peter H.
#41 – “And still no examples of administration officials demeaning the Dixie Chicks.”
I brought up the same thing on the newest Carrie Prejean thread in response to straightAussie.
Regards,
Peter H.
God Bless President Bush. Even when I disagreed with him I at least knew he was a patriot.
There are no examples of him demeaning the Dixie Chicks, Al Gore, John Kerry, Bill Clinton or any of his political advasaries. They are fellow Americans and he had real enemies to contend with like Saddam, bin Laden, Ahmadinijad, Kim, Taliban, Hugo, etc.
He is a good, honest man and if America survives, he’ll be one of the reasons why. If America fails (Obama policies succeed), we’ll suffer a long, long, long, long draught from freedom.
19: ” 45 million Arabs and Muslims freed by GW Bush.” Really? Where exactly are the facts that back up that statement?
And in addition to that, why are conservatives always on this teleprompter kick about Obama? I guess after our last president (who couldn’t form a grammatically correct sentence without going from a script/teleprompter), you just can’t / won’t believe the current president can sound coherent every time he talks, whether in a scripted speech or speaking extemporaneously. I think it comes from that “repeat a lie over and over again so it might become the truth” mentality
Ah yes, Kevin.
Once again trying to deflect the issue, and ignoring the numerous gaffs of President Obama off script being the man with the leaden tongue.
Still waiting on Levi to enlighten us on who we’re going to negotiate with and over what? Would Levi consider it progress if the Taliban only killed half the gays in Afganistan/Pakistan?
It’s just too much fun to watch the lefties come unhinged. “Of course the President wouldn’t respond!” “GWB’s honorable behavior doesn’t excuse conservatives for being so mean to those sweet girls!”
However, those of you on the left must realize you are damning Obama with your praise of Bush. Because, if memory serves me correctly, Mr Obama himself excoriated the Tea Party protestors. If I do recall, Mr Obama himself personally attacked Rush Limbaugh from his podium. Admitting that Bush behaved in a manner fitting for his office is a concession that Mr Obama does not.
And in addition to that, why are conservatives always on this teleprompter kick about Obama?
Because you leftists have declared him to be a modern-day Cicero, a wordsmith whose abilities in rhetoric far exceed those of mortal men. No one ever pretended that GWB was a demigod of the dictionary, so you simply cannot make a parallel comparison. If you would praise a man, and your praise is shown to be untrue, do not protest that there are other men not worthy of the same praise when no one has praised them in the first place. We are not criticizing Obama’s use of the teleprompter by mocking it–we are ultimately mocking leftists who swoon over the man’s oratorical abilities.
Still waiting for Levite to provide proof. Should I be surprised that he hasn’t so far?
Regards,
Peter H.
When has Obummer sounded coherent?
A man who cannot look straight into the camera, or other people in the eyes is usually hiding something.
What I have observed is nothing but empty rhetoric. It kinda reminds me of Adolf Hitler.
I love it when leftists say “what’s wrong with Obama using a teleprompter to order coffee in the morning”. Umm most times early on when Obama wasn’t on a teleprompter he was a gaffe machinge. Kinda like Pelosi and Biden are now. hehe Oh he’s so smart, he’s so articulate. Really? What’s the proof? I remember the ummm, ahhh, ehhh, yaohh, yaohh, ummm, then they got 12 teleprompters and 15 teleprompter operators. Now Obama’s articulate. Except when he has to embarassingly stop his remarks and ask the teleprompter guy to speed up or slow down. All while the audience snickers. NICE.
Did Levi’s mom take his internet access away again?