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		<title>By: Stop ACORN from Getting Billions from Porkulus Bill: Sign Rep. Bachmann&#8217;s Petition &#8212; &#8216;Taxpayer Protection and Anti-Fraud Act&#8217; &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop ACORN from Getting Billions from Porkulus Bill: Sign Rep. Bachmann&#8217;s Petition &#8212; &#8216;Taxpayer Protection and Anti-Fraud Act&#8217; &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] big Obama/Acorn story before election day Radio Vice Online: Journalistic Malpractice? GayPatriot: ACORN: Gerrymandering a permanent Democratic majority?  This Ain&#8217;t Hell, But You Can See It From Here: ACORN shenanigans and American culture Vets On [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] big Obama/Acorn story before election day Radio Vice Online: Journalistic Malpractice? GayPatriot: ACORN: Gerrymandering a permanent Democratic majority?  This Ain&#8217;t Hell, But You Can See It From Here: ACORN shenanigans and American culture Vets On [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NY Times/ACORN Investigation Continues &#8212; What Stephanie Strom Knew about Obama Before Election &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>NY Times/ACORN Investigation Continues &#8212; What Stephanie Strom Knew about Obama Before Election &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 19:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ACORN is being investigated in eleven states. It is possible that it had a larger impact than just a point or two. Not only Bama benefitted but down the ticket candidates might also have benefitted. I wonder how much Al Franken has been helped by them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACORN is being investigated in eleven states. It is possible that it had a larger impact than just a point or two. Not only Bama benefitted but down the ticket candidates might also have benefitted. I wonder how much Al Franken has been helped by them?</p>
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		<title>By: SoCalRobert</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoCalRobert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 18:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like the 2010 census is ripe for a lawsuit. Isn&#039;t the conduct of the census specified by statute to be a Dept of Commerce responsibility? Or can the president just dictate that it be handed to whomever be wants?

And where is there authority to handover a government responsibility to any NGO (not just ACORN)? And where is the objection to handing billions of tax dollars to a group that&#039;s been implicated in criminal voter fraud for years? If we&#039;re gong to politicize the census, where is my representation?

Gillie - I&#039;d have an issue with this if Rush Limbaugh was put in charge of the census. I don&#039;t think the Framers had it in mind that districts look like Ohio&#039;s. The census should be apolitical - conducted by (hopefully) professional statisticians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like the 2010 census is ripe for a lawsuit. Isn&#8217;t the conduct of the census specified by statute to be a Dept of Commerce responsibility? Or can the president just dictate that it be handed to whomever be wants?</p>
<p>And where is there authority to handover a government responsibility to any NGO (not just ACORN)? And where is the objection to handing billions of tax dollars to a group that&#8217;s been implicated in criminal voter fraud for years? If we&#8217;re gong to politicize the census, where is my representation?</p>
<p>Gillie &#8211; I&#8217;d have an issue with this if Rush Limbaugh was put in charge of the census. I don&#8217;t think the Framers had it in mind that districts look like Ohio&#8217;s. The census should be apolitical &#8211; conducted by (hopefully) professional statisticians.</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 17:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually gilboy, I -do- complain, for the reasons listed above and because it&#039;s a travesty.

Not everyone sees fit to manipulate others to maintain power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually gilboy, I -do- complain, for the reasons listed above and because it&#8217;s a travesty.</p>
<p>Not everyone sees fit to manipulate others to maintain power.</p>
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		<title>By: gillie</title>
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		<dc:creator>gillie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 16:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerrymandering is a fact of life in this system that we find ourselves in.
Repubs did it (see Tom Delay&#039;s incredible map of Texas) and Dems do it.

I am just glad that side I support is in power to tilt it my way this time!  Just like you all wish your side was in power to tilt it your way.  I doubt any of you would be complaining if the latter was true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerrymandering is a fact of life in this system that we find ourselves in.<br />
Repubs did it (see Tom Delay&#8217;s incredible map of Texas) and Dems do it.</p>
<p>I am just glad that side I support is in power to tilt it my way this time!  Just like you all wish your side was in power to tilt it your way.  I doubt any of you would be complaining if the latter was true.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 12:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cme,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.govtrack.us/congress/findyourreps.xpd?state=OH&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is a map of Ohio’s congressional districts and how Gerrymandering affects them.

The 18th district is likely the worst offender, as it’s something of a ‘leftover’ district. By keeping the rural counties together in that ugly shape, it concentrates their influcene in one congressional represenative. And in that district it makes it easy for Zack Space to campaign, since you only need to hit Newark, Zanesville, Cambridge and maybe Chillocothe. Also, they’re building a 4 lane bypass from Columbus through Newark and Chillocothe to Cambridge, linking these cities and making commutes easier.

As a result the rest of the district gets screwed. Mt. Vernon, for example is withering on the vine, we have people driving from there and Coshocton to Columbus daily because there’s no jobs and no money.

I hope that helps explain Gerrymandering.

(Bruce, Dan, Could you remove this post from the Earnestness thread, some how my browser jumped it there)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cme,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/findyourreps.xpd?state=OH" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a map of Ohio’s congressional districts and how Gerrymandering affects them.</p>
<p>The 18th district is likely the worst offender, as it’s something of a ‘leftover’ district. By keeping the rural counties together in that ugly shape, it concentrates their influcene in one congressional represenative. And in that district it makes it easy for Zack Space to campaign, since you only need to hit Newark, Zanesville, Cambridge and maybe Chillocothe. Also, they’re building a 4 lane bypass from Columbus through Newark and Chillocothe to Cambridge, linking these cities and making commutes easier.</p>
<p>As a result the rest of the district gets screwed. Mt. Vernon, for example is withering on the vine, we have people driving from there and Coshocton to Columbus daily because there’s no jobs and no money.</p>
<p>I hope that helps explain Gerrymandering.</p>
<p>(Bruce, Dan, Could you remove this post from the Earnestness thread, some how my browser jumped it there)</p>
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		<title>By: cme</title>
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		<dc:creator>cme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 11:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that gerrymandering can help a party maintain seats (and, subsequently, a majority) it wouldn&#039;t otherwise be able to, and if one can gerrymander a popular incumbent from the other party out of power or bolster the ability of an unknown or questionably popular candidate from its own party to get elected in a particular district, there&#039;s no doubt gerrymandering can be a help.

Even so, it seems that gerrymandering can backfire, at least later if not right away.  Isn&#039;t the idea of gerrymandering usually to give your own party lots of districts that marginally lean your way and the other party as few districts as possible, albeit districts that the other party will win by huge margins?  I realize it&#039;s not quite that simple, but it&#039;s that generally the idea?  If so, a district that is, say, 55-45 in favor of the gerrymandering party could easily swing to the other party once the gerrymandering party loses favor with the public.  If there are lots of those districts, it would seem to me that a bad election cycle would be more devastating to the party than if they had kept the districts as is.  Instead of getting blown out, maybe they would be hanging on to win districts that are 60-40 in an average year.

I hope those who know how gerrymandering works better than I do can explain how well it actually does work.  I admit I&#039;m not an expert about it.

Of course, none of this changes the fact that ACORN is a corrupt organization and the public should hold the Democrats responsible for their relationship with ACORN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that gerrymandering can help a party maintain seats (and, subsequently, a majority) it wouldn&#8217;t otherwise be able to, and if one can gerrymander a popular incumbent from the other party out of power or bolster the ability of an unknown or questionably popular candidate from its own party to get elected in a particular district, there&#8217;s no doubt gerrymandering can be a help.</p>
<p>Even so, it seems that gerrymandering can backfire, at least later if not right away.  Isn&#8217;t the idea of gerrymandering usually to give your own party lots of districts that marginally lean your way and the other party as few districts as possible, albeit districts that the other party will win by huge margins?  I realize it&#8217;s not quite that simple, but it&#8217;s that generally the idea?  If so, a district that is, say, 55-45 in favor of the gerrymandering party could easily swing to the other party once the gerrymandering party loses favor with the public.  If there are lots of those districts, it would seem to me that a bad election cycle would be more devastating to the party than if they had kept the districts as is.  Instead of getting blown out, maybe they would be hanging on to win districts that are 60-40 in an average year.</p>
<p>I hope those who know how gerrymandering works better than I do can explain how well it actually does work.  I admit I&#8217;m not an expert about it.</p>
<p>Of course, none of this changes the fact that ACORN is a corrupt organization and the public should hold the Democrats responsible for their relationship with ACORN.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 10:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main reason is that liberals like those mentioned above CAN&#039;T defend their beliefs and they know too well that they can&#039;t win at the ballot box without fraud and lying to the American people. Whether it be a senate seat in NJ, tossing election laws in FL, throwing out military votes, recruiting the dead nationwide, or running an Affirmative Action candidate, the left will clearly do whatever it takes, without telling people what they stand for, to win.

And cock bites like the ones mentioned above will attack anybody who doesn&#039;t agree with them without offering any kind of rational defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main reason is that liberals like those mentioned above CAN&#8217;T defend their beliefs and they know too well that they can&#8217;t win at the ballot box without fraud and lying to the American people. Whether it be a senate seat in NJ, tossing election laws in FL, throwing out military votes, recruiting the dead nationwide, or running an Affirmative Action candidate, the left will clearly do whatever it takes, without telling people what they stand for, to win.</p>
<p>And cock bites like the ones mentioned above will attack anybody who doesn&#8217;t agree with them without offering any kind of rational defense.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 09:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;While I doubt ties between the Democrat’s campaign and that corrupt organization would have cost Obam the election, it may have shaved a point or two off his margin of victory and cost him a state.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nope. That sort of fraud only bolsters your campaign when your a liberal. Brain dead lemmings like Levi, boob, ghillie etc. will defend it (without ANY idea what&#039;s going on) as fairness and the bastardized notion of equality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>While I doubt ties between the Democrat’s campaign and that corrupt organization would have cost Obam the election, it may have shaved a point or two off his margin of victory and cost him a state.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nope. That sort of fraud only bolsters your campaign when your a liberal. Brain dead lemmings like Levi, boob, ghillie etc. will defend it (without ANY idea what&#8217;s going on) as fairness and the bastardized notion of equality.</p>
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