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	<title>Comments on: Democrats Seek to Increase Unemployment in Golden State</title>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is right on.  The politicians are making it too difficult for people to do business in the Golden State because of the impossibly high taxes which lead to higher unemployment and a high cost of living.  (Even the gasoline in CA costs us more than our neighboring states).

In the midst of all this economic strife, the need for state and local governments to cut waste and spending is urgent.  Why, then, is the LA County Board of Supervisors fighting to renew a contract with an underperforming and overpriced firm?

Last year, the Los Angeles County Department of Public Social  Services (DPSS) procured for vendor services to operate the county&#039;s GAIN case management services - a program that helps welfare recipients find work.  Two bids came in from the incumbent company (MAXIMUS, Inc.) and Policy Studies Inc. (PSI).  The two companies were scored by a neutral third party, and PSI beat Maximus solidly in several categories, including performance and price.  Maximus protested the scoring, but the findings were upheld on 3 levels and PSI was recommended by DPSS to receive the contract.

The Board of Supervisors disagreed.  They rejected the recommendation with 3 votes.  They claimed the process of consensus scoring somehow concealed bias from the DPSS, though no specific evidence of this bias was ever presented.  Furthermore, this scoring process was documented as a valid process which had been used for years prior to 2008, and the same process whereby the incumbent Maximus had been recommended and awarded.   The BOS then directed the DPSS to extend Maximus&#039; contract for 6 months while they reissue the RFP and devise a new scoring method.  

The BOS also expressed some superficial concern that the cost of the contract may exceed county requirements (see County Prop A).  Although language could&#039;ve easily been built into the contract to ensure cost neutrality/savings, the BOS rejected that argument and asked DPSS to review their contract monitoring costs for possible reductions and eliminate or reduce pay for performance provisions that could drive up the overall contract cost should the vendor outperform expectations. 

The reissue of this RFP makes no fiscal sense whatsoever, particularly given the dire state of California&#039;s economy.  What&#039;s more, the state faces federal penalties to the tune of approximately $185 million if they do not meet a preexisting federal threshold.  Why is the BOS insisting on spending MORE of our tax dollars in an effort to maintain their business relationship with Maximus - a company whose performance was scored lower and whose contract was priced higher than PSI?  (The county has estimated the cost to reissue the RFP to be $250,000).  PSI&#039;s contract would save the county over one million dollars annually.  What&#039;s going on here?

An LA Times article from last year exposed just how entangled Maximus is with the BOS.  In the first half of 2008, Maximus spent over $124,000 on two lobbying firms, more than doubling what they spent on marketing in year before.  Perhaps even more troubling, Maximus donated $1,000 (the maximum allowed) to the campaigns to re-elect supervisors Don Knabe and Michael D. Antonovich.  They even gave $1,000 to two members whose terms had 2 years left to run. 

In these lean times, something else must be motivating the board&#039;s decisions, because it&#039;s certainly not the bottom line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is right on.  The politicians are making it too difficult for people to do business in the Golden State because of the impossibly high taxes which lead to higher unemployment and a high cost of living.  (Even the gasoline in CA costs us more than our neighboring states).</p>
<p>In the midst of all this economic strife, the need for state and local governments to cut waste and spending is urgent.  Why, then, is the LA County Board of Supervisors fighting to renew a contract with an underperforming and overpriced firm?</p>
<p>Last year, the Los Angeles County Department of Public Social  Services (DPSS) procured for vendor services to operate the county&#8217;s GAIN case management services &#8211; a program that helps welfare recipients find work.  Two bids came in from the incumbent company (MAXIMUS, Inc.) and Policy Studies Inc. (PSI).  The two companies were scored by a neutral third party, and PSI beat Maximus solidly in several categories, including performance and price.  Maximus protested the scoring, but the findings were upheld on 3 levels and PSI was recommended by DPSS to receive the contract.</p>
<p>The Board of Supervisors disagreed.  They rejected the recommendation with 3 votes.  They claimed the process of consensus scoring somehow concealed bias from the DPSS, though no specific evidence of this bias was ever presented.  Furthermore, this scoring process was documented as a valid process which had been used for years prior to 2008, and the same process whereby the incumbent Maximus had been recommended and awarded.   The BOS then directed the DPSS to extend Maximus&#8217; contract for 6 months while they reissue the RFP and devise a new scoring method.  </p>
<p>The BOS also expressed some superficial concern that the cost of the contract may exceed county requirements (see County Prop A).  Although language could&#8217;ve easily been built into the contract to ensure cost neutrality/savings, the BOS rejected that argument and asked DPSS to review their contract monitoring costs for possible reductions and eliminate or reduce pay for performance provisions that could drive up the overall contract cost should the vendor outperform expectations. </p>
<p>The reissue of this RFP makes no fiscal sense whatsoever, particularly given the dire state of California&#8217;s economy.  What&#8217;s more, the state faces federal penalties to the tune of approximately $185 million if they do not meet a preexisting federal threshold.  Why is the BOS insisting on spending MORE of our tax dollars in an effort to maintain their business relationship with Maximus &#8211; a company whose performance was scored lower and whose contract was priced higher than PSI?  (The county has estimated the cost to reissue the RFP to be $250,000).  PSI&#8217;s contract would save the county over one million dollars annually.  What&#8217;s going on here?</p>
<p>An LA Times article from last year exposed just how entangled Maximus is with the BOS.  In the first half of 2008, Maximus spent over $124,000 on two lobbying firms, more than doubling what they spent on marketing in year before.  Perhaps even more troubling, Maximus donated $1,000 (the maximum allowed) to the campaigns to re-elect supervisors Don Knabe and Michael D. Antonovich.  They even gave $1,000 to two members whose terms had 2 years left to run. </p>
<p>In these lean times, something else must be motivating the board&#8217;s decisions, because it&#8217;s certainly not the bottom line.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/06/16/state-democrats-seek-to-increase-unemployment-in-golden-state/comment-page-1/#comment-444229</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think we&#039;re on the same page, pat. in statistics, crunching the numbers is relatively easy; the science involves interpreting the results, especially when evaluating the merits of policy proposals.

i don&#039;t want to overstate my statistics credentials. but i caution against drawing any conclusions there exists even a slight correlation between unemployment and state tax rates based on this data. a correlation coefficient of 0.128 is really really low. a positive r-value doesn&#039;t, in and of itself, mean a positive correlation. from what i understand, the magnitude of the r-value is what&#039;s important. hence the rule of thumb i mentioned in my previous post. if the r-value was above .2, we would have data supporting an inference that unemployment and state taxes were slightly correlated. but our r-values don&#039;t even support an inference of low correlation. then again, this is just a rule of thumb.

you make a good point that i had not considered--the lack of correlation between unemployment rates and state tax rates is limited to the current recession. fair enough. in the past, these variables might have been correlated, so tax cuts made sense. but from a policy perspective, i think our data is adequate. the current recession, and its underlying data, is what is important. if data on the current recession does not indicate correlation between taxes and unemployment, then a policy of tax cuts just doesn&#039;t make sense to me. it&#039;s a policy proposal driven by ideology and not by data. 

thanks for answering my questions, pat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think we&#8217;re on the same page, pat. in statistics, crunching the numbers is relatively easy; the science involves interpreting the results, especially when evaluating the merits of policy proposals.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t want to overstate my statistics credentials. but i caution against drawing any conclusions there exists even a slight correlation between unemployment and state tax rates based on this data. a correlation coefficient of 0.128 is really really low. a positive r-value doesn&#8217;t, in and of itself, mean a positive correlation. from what i understand, the magnitude of the r-value is what&#8217;s important. hence the rule of thumb i mentioned in my previous post. if the r-value was above .2, we would have data supporting an inference that unemployment and state taxes were slightly correlated. but our r-values don&#8217;t even support an inference of low correlation. then again, this is just a rule of thumb.</p>
<p>you make a good point that i had not considered&#8211;the lack of correlation between unemployment rates and state tax rates is limited to the current recession. fair enough. in the past, these variables might have been correlated, so tax cuts made sense. but from a policy perspective, i think our data is adequate. the current recession, and its underlying data, is what is important. if data on the current recession does not indicate correlation between taxes and unemployment, then a policy of tax cuts just doesn&#8217;t make sense to me. it&#8217;s a policy proposal driven by ideology and not by data. </p>
<p>thanks for answering my questions, pat.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad, I didn&#039;t have time to do an analysis before yesterday, but yeah, it&#039;s a shame it&#039;s off the main page now.  

&lt;i&gt; i’m not sure i understand how you’re using them, since we’re not engaging in a random sampling (i.e., our universe of data is finite–only 50 states, plus d.c.). in other words, we aren’t trying to predict how accurately our regression represents the entire population, since all 51 data points are included in our model. &lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re right, this is not a sample, but rather an analysis of the whole population in consideration here for this recession.  So my understanding is that the &lt;i&gt;r&lt;/i&gt; = 0.128 does indicate that there is some positive correlation then.  Granted, it is quite minimal, and that only 1.6% of the variation in unemployment can be explained by the tax rates.  

The other thing is that this is only an analysis of the current recession.  This is not necessarily a predictor of what happens during recessions in general, or during any period for that matter, because this data was limited to now.  If I had more time, I would have done an analysis of some of the previous recessions and see if there is similar (non-)correlation.  

I have a colleague who is an economist who normally believes that during a recession, the worst thing to do is to increase spending.  However, he sees that this recession is different than what we&#039;ve seen in the past, and thinks that the stimulus might be the right thing to do this time.  Now, he didn&#039;t address tax rates, but I&#039;m wondering if he is right that this recession is &quot;different,&quot; maybe correlations we&#039;ve expected in the past do not apply for this recession.  But again, that&#039;s a big maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad, I didn&#8217;t have time to do an analysis before yesterday, but yeah, it&#8217;s a shame it&#8217;s off the main page now.  </p>
<p><i> i’m not sure i understand how you’re using them, since we’re not engaging in a random sampling (i.e., our universe of data is finite–only 50 states, plus d.c.). in other words, we aren’t trying to predict how accurately our regression represents the entire population, since all 51 data points are included in our model. </i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, this is not a sample, but rather an analysis of the whole population in consideration here for this recession.  So my understanding is that the <i>r</i> = 0.128 does indicate that there is some positive correlation then.  Granted, it is quite minimal, and that only 1.6% of the variation in unemployment can be explained by the tax rates.  </p>
<p>The other thing is that this is only an analysis of the current recession.  This is not necessarily a predictor of what happens during recessions in general, or during any period for that matter, because this data was limited to now.  If I had more time, I would have done an analysis of some of the previous recessions and see if there is similar (non-)correlation.  </p>
<p>I have a colleague who is an economist who normally believes that during a recession, the worst thing to do is to increase spending.  However, he sees that this recession is different than what we&#8217;ve seen in the past, and thinks that the stimulus might be the right thing to do this time.  Now, he didn&#8217;t address tax rates, but I&#8217;m wondering if he is right that this recession is &#8220;different,&#8221; maybe correlations we&#8217;ve expected in the past do not apply for this recession.  But again, that&#8217;s a big maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/06/16/state-democrats-seek-to-increase-unemployment-in-golden-state/comment-page-1/#comment-444037</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pat!! welcome to the game...i wish you would have joined earlier. unfortunately, i think your contribution will be lost as this post disappears from the main page.

i ran a similar regression analysis, so your results weren&#039;t surprising. i kept pushing other people to give me data re: unemployment rates and state taxes, partially because i knew the outcome and also as a demonstration of good faith interest in debate. instead, i got a lot of supply-side rhetoric, and nothing data-driven. since correlation is a statistical measurement, data is essential, much to the chagrin of previous commenters. 

i used similar data--may 09 state unemployment rates (wsj, 5/22/09), and 2009 state income tax rates. to simplify the model, i used only the highest marginal tax rate, though generally i found that the highest tax rates kicked in a relatively low levels of income. for the record, i recognize the limitations of this model, which you noted--this is not an accurate reflection of the total tax burden, which would also include sales taxes, estate taxes, property taxes, luxury taxes, etc. but absent a way to accurately model these tax burdens, i think state tax rates are an acceptable proxy.

my r-value was similar to yours, but for argument&#039;s sake, i&#039;ll accept your figures, i.e. r=0.128. i disagree with your conclusions, because i think this figure is pretty strong evidence of non-correlation, or alternatively, a level of correlation so negligible that it should not drive tax policy.

as you note, r-values fall with a range between -1 and 1. since, presumably, gpw assumes that state tax rates and unemployment rates are positively correlated, an r-value approaching 1 would prove his assertion. an r-value approaching 0 will indicate a lack of correlation between these two variables. at 0.128, the r-value is a whole lot closer to 0 than 1. such a low r-value is strong evidence of non-correlation.

a rule of thumb used to interpret r-values is a follows: an r-value of .8 or above indicates strong correlation; an r-value above .5 indicates moderate correlation; an r-value above .2 indicates low correlation. your r-value, at 0.128, doesn&#039;t even cross the threshold for low correlation. again, i interpret this as an indication of the lack of correlation between state taxes and unemployment. 

besides the correlation coefficient, another way to determine how accurately your line of regression &quot;fits&quot; the data is to look at the coefficient of determination, or r-squared-value. the r-squared-value determines the percent of variation between unemployment and state taxes that is explained by the regression model. note that 0&lt;r-squared&lt;1. if r-squared is 1, then 100% of the variation is explained by the regression model. if r-squared is .75, then 75% of the variation is explained by the regression model.

to get the r-squared value, all you do is square r. in your case, since r=0.128, then r-squared=0.016 (i rounded). this means, in percentage terms, that 1.6% of the variation in unemployment is caused by state taxes. only 1.6%!!!!! the remaining 98.4% of variation in unemployment rates is not explained by state tax rates. these figures fail to make even a minimal case supporting a conclusion that state taxes and unemployment are correlated. 

more interesting, for me anyway, is the policy-bias that this data indicates. in spite of this data, people like gpw and other commenters will continue to bang the drum in favor of tax cuts. this reaffirms the perception that conservatives have one idea when it comes to economic policy--tax cuts, consequences or efficacy be damned. 

also pat, a favor, if you don&#039;t mind and feel so inclined--explain more your use of confidence intervals in your analysis. i&#039;m not sure i understand how you&#039;re using them, since we&#039;re not engaging in a random sampling (i.e., our universe of data is finite--only 50 states, plus d.c.). in other words, we aren&#039;t trying to predict how accurately our regression represents the entire population, since all 51 data points are included in our model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pat!! welcome to the game&#8230;i wish you would have joined earlier. unfortunately, i think your contribution will be lost as this post disappears from the main page.</p>
<p>i ran a similar regression analysis, so your results weren&#8217;t surprising. i kept pushing other people to give me data re: unemployment rates and state taxes, partially because i knew the outcome and also as a demonstration of good faith interest in debate. instead, i got a lot of supply-side rhetoric, and nothing data-driven. since correlation is a statistical measurement, data is essential, much to the chagrin of previous commenters. </p>
<p>i used similar data&#8211;may 09 state unemployment rates (wsj, 5/22/09), and 2009 state income tax rates. to simplify the model, i used only the highest marginal tax rate, though generally i found that the highest tax rates kicked in a relatively low levels of income. for the record, i recognize the limitations of this model, which you noted&#8211;this is not an accurate reflection of the total tax burden, which would also include sales taxes, estate taxes, property taxes, luxury taxes, etc. but absent a way to accurately model these tax burdens, i think state tax rates are an acceptable proxy.</p>
<p>my r-value was similar to yours, but for argument&#8217;s sake, i&#8217;ll accept your figures, i.e. r=0.128. i disagree with your conclusions, because i think this figure is pretty strong evidence of non-correlation, or alternatively, a level of correlation so negligible that it should not drive tax policy.</p>
<p>as you note, r-values fall with a range between -1 and 1. since, presumably, gpw assumes that state tax rates and unemployment rates are positively correlated, an r-value approaching 1 would prove his assertion. an r-value approaching 0 will indicate a lack of correlation between these two variables. at 0.128, the r-value is a whole lot closer to 0 than 1. such a low r-value is strong evidence of non-correlation.</p>
<p>a rule of thumb used to interpret r-values is a follows: an r-value of .8 or above indicates strong correlation; an r-value above .5 indicates moderate correlation; an r-value above .2 indicates low correlation. your r-value, at 0.128, doesn&#8217;t even cross the threshold for low correlation. again, i interpret this as an indication of the lack of correlation between state taxes and unemployment. </p>
<p>besides the correlation coefficient, another way to determine how accurately your line of regression &#8220;fits&#8221; the data is to look at the coefficient of determination, or r-squared-value. the r-squared-value determines the percent of variation between unemployment and state taxes that is explained by the regression model. note that 0&lt;r-squared&lt;1. if r-squared is 1, then 100% of the variation is explained by the regression model. if r-squared is .75, then 75% of the variation is explained by the regression model.</p>
<p>to get the r-squared value, all you do is square r. in your case, since r=0.128, then r-squared=0.016 (i rounded). this means, in percentage terms, that 1.6% of the variation in unemployment is caused by state taxes. only 1.6%!!!!! the remaining 98.4% of variation in unemployment rates is not explained by state tax rates. these figures fail to make even a minimal case supporting a conclusion that state taxes and unemployment are correlated. </p>
<p>more interesting, for me anyway, is the policy-bias that this data indicates. in spite of this data, people like gpw and other commenters will continue to bang the drum in favor of tax cuts. this reaffirms the perception that conservatives have one idea when it comes to economic policy&#8211;tax cuts, consequences or efficacy be damned. </p>
<p>also pat, a favor, if you don&#8217;t mind and feel so inclined&#8211;explain more your use of confidence intervals in your analysis. i&#8217;m not sure i understand how you&#8217;re using them, since we&#8217;re not engaging in a random sampling (i.e., our universe of data is finite&#8211;only 50 states, plus d.c.). in other words, we aren&#8217;t trying to predict how accurately our regression represents the entire population, since all 51 data points are included in our model.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Chad, I will.  

This is what I did.  I made two comparisons:

A)  A correlation between the state unemployment rate for May 2009 and the effective tax rate on a single person earning $50,000.

B)  A correlation between the state unemployment rate for May 2009 and the top marginal tax rate.

The top marginal tax rate kicks in anywhere between $0 and $1,000,000 (California), so I thought A) might have been a better comparison.  Also, I did my best to really get the typical tax burden, by including the exemptions, tax credits, as well as county or local taxes that residents have to pay in addition to their state income taxes.  In about three cases, you would need to be either a tax attorney and/or CPA to figure it out, but I did my best.  I did not include sales taxes, however.  In many cases, a state not having income taxes may have a higher sales tax rate.  I did not include sales taxes, or even compare sales taxes to unemployment rates, because sales taxes can be very confusing.  In many cases, states tax different things.  In NJ, we&#039;re famous for not taxing clothes and I think we still don&#039;t tax toilet paper.  In other states, like NC, the sales tax rate is very confusing and there are different rates for different items.

Anyway, for those who are not familiar with the correlation coefficient &lt;i&gt; r&lt;/i&gt;, it quantifies how a data of paired items are related to each other.  It can range from -1 (perfect negative correlation) to 1 (perfect positive correlation).  In the middle, 0, represents no correlation.  

With respect to A), &lt;i&gt;r&lt;/i&gt; = 0.128 and for B), &lt;i&gt;r&lt;/i&gt; = 0.118.  

So both indicate some positive correlation between tax rates and unemployment.  However, using 95% confidence, one cannot conclude that there is correlation between the two.  The best we can do is get about 63% and 61% confidence, respectively, which is pretty low in the statistics world.  In order to achieve 95% confidence for 51 paired date, we would need &lt;i&gt;r &lt;/i&gt;= 0.277.  

A couple of other points.  Does this &quot;prove&quot; that there is no correlation between tax rates and unemployment?  No, not at all.  It just means we can&#039;t prove that there is correlation between tax rates and unemployment.  Big difference.  Kind of like saying that a jury coming back with a verdict of not guilty (using the reasonable doubt threshold) does not mean the jury concluded the defendant is innocent.  

Further, this also shows that you can&#039;t use one example and try to come up with a conclusion.  Michigan has the highest unemployment rate, but it&#039;s tax burden is on the middle or low side.  Nevada has no state income taxes, but has a relatively high unemployment rate.  California has the highest marginal rate (10.3%), which kicks in at $1 million, and even it&#039;s second highest marginal rate (9.3%) kicks in at $47,000.  Despite that, it&#039;s tax burden falls in the low to middle range for a single person earning $50,000.  New Jersey, like California, has a high maximum rate (8.97% for over $500,000) and a fairly low burden for the $50,000 earner.  It&#039;s unemployment rate is slightly lower than the national average.  

Also, to put this in terms of what we see often during campaign times.  When you see polling information, you usually see a margin of error (like +/- 3.5%).  This means that the polling company is either 90% or 95% sure that the poll represents the actual percentages within the margin of error.  If the poll has one candidate leading another, but within the margin of error, it is usually referred to as a statistical dead heat.  So that is one way to characterize the correlation between tax rates and unemployment rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Chad, I will.  </p>
<p>This is what I did.  I made two comparisons:</p>
<p>A)  A correlation between the state unemployment rate for May 2009 and the effective tax rate on a single person earning $50,000.</p>
<p>B)  A correlation between the state unemployment rate for May 2009 and the top marginal tax rate.</p>
<p>The top marginal tax rate kicks in anywhere between $0 and $1,000,000 (California), so I thought A) might have been a better comparison.  Also, I did my best to really get the typical tax burden, by including the exemptions, tax credits, as well as county or local taxes that residents have to pay in addition to their state income taxes.  In about three cases, you would need to be either a tax attorney and/or CPA to figure it out, but I did my best.  I did not include sales taxes, however.  In many cases, a state not having income taxes may have a higher sales tax rate.  I did not include sales taxes, or even compare sales taxes to unemployment rates, because sales taxes can be very confusing.  In many cases, states tax different things.  In NJ, we&#8217;re famous for not taxing clothes and I think we still don&#8217;t tax toilet paper.  In other states, like NC, the sales tax rate is very confusing and there are different rates for different items.</p>
<p>Anyway, for those who are not familiar with the correlation coefficient <i> r</i>, it quantifies how a data of paired items are related to each other.  It can range from -1 (perfect negative correlation) to 1 (perfect positive correlation).  In the middle, 0, represents no correlation.  </p>
<p>With respect to A), <i>r</i> = 0.128 and for B), <i>r</i> = 0.118.  </p>
<p>So both indicate some positive correlation between tax rates and unemployment.  However, using 95% confidence, one cannot conclude that there is correlation between the two.  The best we can do is get about 63% and 61% confidence, respectively, which is pretty low in the statistics world.  In order to achieve 95% confidence for 51 paired date, we would need <i>r </i>= 0.277.  </p>
<p>A couple of other points.  Does this &#8220;prove&#8221; that there is no correlation between tax rates and unemployment?  No, not at all.  It just means we can&#8217;t prove that there is correlation between tax rates and unemployment.  Big difference.  Kind of like saying that a jury coming back with a verdict of not guilty (using the reasonable doubt threshold) does not mean the jury concluded the defendant is innocent.  </p>
<p>Further, this also shows that you can&#8217;t use one example and try to come up with a conclusion.  Michigan has the highest unemployment rate, but it&#8217;s tax burden is on the middle or low side.  Nevada has no state income taxes, but has a relatively high unemployment rate.  California has the highest marginal rate (10.3%), which kicks in at $1 million, and even it&#8217;s second highest marginal rate (9.3%) kicks in at $47,000.  Despite that, it&#8217;s tax burden falls in the low to middle range for a single person earning $50,000.  New Jersey, like California, has a high maximum rate (8.97% for over $500,000) and a fairly low burden for the $50,000 earner.  It&#8217;s unemployment rate is slightly lower than the national average.  </p>
<p>Also, to put this in terms of what we see often during campaign times.  When you see polling information, you usually see a margin of error (like +/- 3.5%).  This means that the polling company is either 90% or 95% sure that the poll represents the actual percentages within the margin of error.  If the poll has one candidate leading another, but within the margin of error, it is usually referred to as a statistical dead heat.  So that is one way to characterize the correlation between tax rates and unemployment rates.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>livewire, look up the word &quot;data&quot; in a dictionary and try again. while you&#039;re at it, look up &quot;correlation.&quot; until you understand those concepts, you stay at the kids&#039; table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>livewire, look up the word &#8220;data&#8221; in a dictionary and try again. while you&#8217;re at it, look up &#8220;correlation.&#8221; until you understand those concepts, you stay at the kids&#8217; table.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course chad,

If you remove all the data that crushes your arguement, then you won&#039;t see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course chad,</p>
<p>If you remove all the data that crushes your arguement, then you won&#8217;t see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wailing and gnashing of teeth aside, none of you can show a correlation between unemployment and state taxes.</description>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;i’m ignoring data that is irrelevant to gpw’s assertion, which, for the third time, is that the UNEMPLOYMENT RATE is correlated with state tax rates.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you&#039;re just ignoring everything that doesn&#039;t fit your Obama Party theory that high taxes equal economic growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>i’m ignoring data that is irrelevant to gpw’s assertion, which, for the third time, is that the UNEMPLOYMENT RATE is correlated with state tax rates.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you&#8217;re just ignoring everything that doesn&#8217;t fit your Obama Party theory that high taxes equal economic growth.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok  for those that attended public schools.....
Low tax rates allow regular people to keep more of their own hard earned money. Those people usually spend some of those monies. When they spend, usually more jobs are created and saved. People who keep more of their earned money, sometimes start businesses and actually hire someone to help out. Called creating jobs. Low tax rates = more jobs. More jobs means more people are getting pay checks and paying into the tax system. Tax revenues actually increase. After the Reagan and Bush 43 tax rate reductions, govt revenue actually rose!
When you tax people too much. You cut jobs, businesses lay off workers or don&#039;t hire them to start with. Productive earners who are taxed too much don&#039;t have the wherewith all to start new businesses. Fewer small businesses are started, less jobs are created.
In Michigan, as their economy deteriorated, the budget went way out of whack. Tax revenues declined because fewer workers were working and paying into the tax system. The governor did exactly the wrong thing. She raised taxes and fees to try to balance the budget, she didnt&#039; try to cut spending or services. Unemployent soared. Going from 7% to 13% unemployment with no end in sight. The situation is now so bad it is unsolvable but she is leaving office. With a 20% approval rate. those 20% no doubt appreciate that fact that she hasn&#039;t cut postal deliveries so the govt checks still come on time.
Taxes, jobs, revenues, unemployment. Liberalism. It isn&#039;t that hard to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok  for those that attended public schools&#8230;..<br />
Low tax rates allow regular people to keep more of their own hard earned money. Those people usually spend some of those monies. When they spend, usually more jobs are created and saved. People who keep more of their earned money, sometimes start businesses and actually hire someone to help out. Called creating jobs. Low tax rates = more jobs. More jobs means more people are getting pay checks and paying into the tax system. Tax revenues actually increase. After the Reagan and Bush 43 tax rate reductions, govt revenue actually rose!<br />
When you tax people too much. You cut jobs, businesses lay off workers or don&#8217;t hire them to start with. Productive earners who are taxed too much don&#8217;t have the wherewith all to start new businesses. Fewer small businesses are started, less jobs are created.<br />
In Michigan, as their economy deteriorated, the budget went way out of whack. Tax revenues declined because fewer workers were working and paying into the tax system. The governor did exactly the wrong thing. She raised taxes and fees to try to balance the budget, she didnt&#8217; try to cut spending or services. Unemployent soared. Going from 7% to 13% unemployment with no end in sight. The situation is now so bad it is unsolvable but she is leaving office. With a 20% approval rate. those 20% no doubt appreciate that fact that she hasn&#8217;t cut postal deliveries so the govt checks still come on time.<br />
Taxes, jobs, revenues, unemployment. Liberalism. It isn&#8217;t that hard to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m ignoring data that is irrelevant to gpw&#039;s assertion, which, for the third time, is that the UNEMPLOYMENT RATE is correlated with state tax rates. job growth in texas is irrelevant to this inquiry because job growth is not the same measurement as the unemployment rate. do i really need to explain this further?

look, unemployment rates and state tax rates are easy to find online. if gpw is correct, you shouldn&#039;t have trouble verifying it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m ignoring data that is irrelevant to gpw&#8217;s assertion, which, for the third time, is that the UNEMPLOYMENT RATE is correlated with state tax rates. job growth in texas is irrelevant to this inquiry because job growth is not the same measurement as the unemployment rate. do i really need to explain this further?</p>
<p>look, unemployment rates and state tax rates are easy to find online. if gpw is correct, you shouldn&#8217;t have trouble verifying it.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad completely discards the proven ability of low-tax, pro-business environments to create new private sector jobs asirrelevant to the issue of employment. One could say this marks him as an idiot, but that would be uncivil. 

Hell, the Soviet Union had &quot;full employment.&quot; Cuba has &quot;full employment.&quot; North Korea has &quot;full employment.&quot; But did they have prosperity? Not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad completely discards the proven ability of low-tax, pro-business environments to create new private sector jobs asirrelevant to the issue of employment. One could say this marks him as an idiot, but that would be uncivil. </p>
<p>Hell, the Soviet Union had &#8220;full employment.&#8221; Cuba has &#8220;full employment.&#8221; North Korea has &#8220;full employment.&#8221; But did they have prosperity? Not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m glad I made you feel patriotic, how does it feel?  Odd?
I think V the K did address your unemployment:tax rate query.....

50% of all the private sector job growth in the USA over the last decade has occurred in a single state; a state that has No Income Tax: Texas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m glad I made you feel patriotic, how does it feel?  Odd?<br />
I think V the K did address your unemployment:tax rate query&#8230;..</p>
<p>50% of all the private sector job growth in the USA over the last decade has occurred in a single state; a state that has No Income Tax: Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chad, Michigan has high unemployment 13% AND high taxes! NICE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chad, Michigan has high unemployment 13% AND high taxes! NICE</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/06/16/state-democrats-seek-to-increase-unemployment-in-golden-state/comment-page-1/#comment-443340</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so no one can show me data supporting gpw&#039;s assertion that the unemployment rate is correlated with state tax levels? gene gave me a rousing defense of american capitalism (thanks gene, i feel very patriotic right now) and a whole lot of snark (yes, i&#039;m a proud public school grad), vk gave me info on job growth in texas (not unemployment rates), and peter gives me the guffaw-inducing claim that florida and nevada are doing well during this economic climate. for the record, pete, florida and nevada have unemployment rates of 9.6 and 10.6 percent, both above the national average, IN SPITE of having no state income taxes...doesn&#039;t seem like they&#039;re doing well, but maybe i just think that way because of my shoddy public schooling. 

thanks guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so no one can show me data supporting gpw&#8217;s assertion that the unemployment rate is correlated with state tax levels? gene gave me a rousing defense of american capitalism (thanks gene, i feel very patriotic right now) and a whole lot of snark (yes, i&#8217;m a proud public school grad), vk gave me info on job growth in texas (not unemployment rates), and peter gives me the guffaw-inducing claim that florida and nevada are doing well during this economic climate. for the record, pete, florida and nevada have unemployment rates of 9.6 and 10.6 percent, both above the national average, IN SPITE of having no state income taxes&#8230;doesn&#8217;t seem like they&#8217;re doing well, but maybe i just think that way because of my shoddy public schooling. </p>
<p>thanks guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But see liberals and Democrats think Texas is hicksville. Job creation, who needs it if you have a massive government mommy and daddy taking care of everyone. The postman becomes everyones hero and role model. Capitalism can be messy sometimes cruel. That&#039;s why we in America have a safety net in place. But liberals prefer Chavez and Putin style &quot;democracys&quot;. For innovation, progress, invention, and a dynamic society, free people choose the USA. Not Sweden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But see liberals and Democrats think Texas is hicksville. Job creation, who needs it if you have a massive government mommy and daddy taking care of everyone. The postman becomes everyones hero and role model. Capitalism can be messy sometimes cruel. That&#8217;s why we in America have a safety net in place. But liberals prefer Chavez and Putin style &#8220;democracys&#8221;. For innovation, progress, invention, and a dynamic society, free people choose the USA. Not Sweden.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave_62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave_62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just may be moving to Nevada!!! :)</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16 - It&#039;s also because we have a state-run GOP that is very pro-business, pro-growth and effective at selling that message.  That, and the fact that we have a weak executive and judiciary branch in comparison to other states (as part of the 1876 Texas Constitution).

FYI - it appears that Nevada and Florida are also doing well in the business market.  Could it be because those states also don&#039;t have a state income tax?

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16 &#8211; It&#8217;s also because we have a state-run GOP that is very pro-business, pro-growth and effective at selling that message.  That, and the fact that we have a weak executive and judiciary branch in comparison to other states (as part of the 1876 Texas Constitution).</p>
<p>FYI &#8211; it appears that Nevada and Florida are also doing well in the business market.  Could it be because those states also don&#8217;t have a state income tax?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furthermore, 50% of all the private sector job growth in the USA over the last decade has occurred in a single state; a state that has No Income Tax: Texas. 

Why is it a state like Texas, with no income tax, is coming through the recession in much better fiscal shape than a state like California... which has obscene income tax rates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore, 50% of all the private sector job growth in the USA over the last decade has occurred in a single state; a state that has No Income Tax: Texas. </p>
<p>Why is it a state like Texas, with no income tax, is coming through the recession in much better fiscal shape than a state like California&#8230; which has obscene income tax rates?</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad you must have graduated from the public school system eh?
For your information......there were three Presidents who avoided severe recessions or overcame severe recessions by lowering tax rates. J F Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, and Bush 43.  All three found that letting regular people keep more of their own money, led to a resounding economic recovery and economic growth. Since 1984 the USA has typically had 3-6% growth per year while socialist nations in Europe have had 0-2% growth. Over the course of 20 years Americas economy has grown 30-60% while our European friends have grown only 5-10%. A massive difference. We in America take so much for granted. Allowiing the people to keep more of their hard earned money, has led to a society un matched in history. ( I teach my young employees, to put things in perspective that....4/5 of the worlds humans still don&#039;t have potable water. They must trek somewhere to get drinkable water. Most humans still live on dirt floors. ) Most all medical breakthrus, miracles happen in America. Most new inventions happen in the westen world, mostly the USA. Because of the profit motive. While trying to become rich, amazing things have been invented. Free capitalism has been an amazing boon to mankind. Leftist liberals would disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad you must have graduated from the public school system eh?<br />
For your information&#8230;&#8230;there were three Presidents who avoided severe recessions or overcame severe recessions by lowering tax rates. J F Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, and Bush 43.  All three found that letting regular people keep more of their own money, led to a resounding economic recovery and economic growth. Since 1984 the USA has typically had 3-6% growth per year while socialist nations in Europe have had 0-2% growth. Over the course of 20 years Americas economy has grown 30-60% while our European friends have grown only 5-10%. A massive difference. We in America take so much for granted. Allowiing the people to keep more of their hard earned money, has led to a society un matched in history. ( I teach my young employees, to put things in perspective that&#8230;.4/5 of the worlds humans still don&#8217;t have potable water. They must trek somewhere to get drinkable water. Most humans still live on dirt floors. ) Most all medical breakthrus, miracles happen in America. Most new inventions happen in the westen world, mostly the USA. Because of the profit motive. While trying to become rich, amazing things have been invented. Free capitalism has been an amazing boon to mankind. Leftist liberals would disagree.</p>
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