Comments on: Obama & Gays: The Problem is the (Broken) Promises

By: GayPatriot » The Promise Breaker

GayPatriot » The Promise Breaker — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:50:52 +0000

[...] all Barack Obama promises comes with an expiration date. We in the gay community have seen how quick he is to break (though the obsequious Joe Solmonese might say “slow to fulfill”) his campaign promise [...]

By: GayPatriot » Does Obama Care About the Gays?

GayPatriot » Does Obama Care About the Gays? — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:14:13 +0000

[...] Obama & Gays: The Problem is the (Broken) Promises [...]

By: Ignatius

Ignatius — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:56:24 +0000

Nathan, it appears you’re not giving enough credit to the intelligence of liberals. And they’re not difficult to figure out. Liberal homosexuals vote for the party and candidates that give them the best hope for realizing their political goals. Hope != certainty; yes, many are disappointed but due to dashed hopes, not betrayed certainty. Do you honestly think that liberal homosexuals haven’t learned a thing from consistent disappointment in every successive election and the glacial progress of their agenda to the point that they regard promises with skepticism? Some take delight in pointing out their frustration, their false hopes, their wasted energies and cash, and their neuroses but where else are they going to turn? The Republicans? Now THAT is a fantastic blind spot.

The question/issue as to why liberal homosexuals continue to support the Democratic Party in the face of continual disappointment continues to arise. The answer is obvious.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:47:35 +0000

Ignatius has a fantastic blind spot (or thinks everyone else does). If the “Now we know….” aspect wasn’t there, then there would not be the widespread outrage now. You don’t give the readers here enough credit for their intelligence.

By: Ignatius

Ignatius — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:21:50 +0000

What I find more interesting than liberal homosexuals voting for liberal candidates is the specter of conservative homosexuals who, despite their own support of a large part of the liberal homosexual agenda, regard their own frustration (via liberals) with schadenfreude and smugness.

By: Ashpenaz

Ashpenaz — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:06:48 +0000

What did he say when you pointed out that under Palin, Alaskan state workers get domestic partner benefits, unlike Obama?

By: HeatherRadish

HeatherRadish — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:30:21 +0000

It doesn’t matter how many times they stick their hand on a hot stove burner. They will continue to do it again and again, knowing dam* well they are going to get burned.

Seems more like staying with the guy who beats you, because hey, maybe he actually will stop this time.

By: Brian

Brian — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:47:47 +0000

A gay friend of mine, who I argued with vehemently over Obama vs. McCain (he called Palin the C-word, even bought me a roll of McCain toilet paper), told a mutual friend of ours that he had a message for me: “Tell Brian I’m beginning to think he was right about Obama.”

Now, that’s what I call HOPE!

By: Racer

Racer — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:40:48 +0000

ILC, they aren’t late for the party-they aren’t even at the party. Just wait, let Ear Leader string them along and they will fall right back in line, giving him money and their vote.

It doesn’t matter how many times they stick their hand on a hot stove burner. They will continue to do it again and again, knowing dam* well they are going to get burned.

By: TnnsNE1

TnnsNE1 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:51:01 +0000

Look at the two big gay issues : DADT and DOMA

If the Democratic candidate promises to repeal both while speaking to one group of people and then backtracks or modifies those promises while speaking to a different set of people, how is that more comforting?

He clearly said during his campaign that same-gender marriage was a states’ issue. How was that different than Mr. McCain’s position?

My liberal friends are giving him a pass on both issues because of competing issues, i.e. economy, health care, 2 wars, etc. Should Mr. Johnson have delayed the Civil Rights Act until after the Viet Nam war was over? Why are they so eager to take a backseat when they were promised to ride “shot gun”. Trying to get a liberal to say anything against Mr. Obama is like trying to get a teenager to tell you what happened to all the gas in the car.

By: Ashpenaz

Ashpenaz — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:59:20 +0000

An interesting point–when you define yourself as “pro-life” and look at candidates that way, you end up choosing people who are more likely to actually do something about gay issues. Sarah Palin gave the state workers in
Alaska same-sex partnership benefits. It may the case that she didn’t want to, but she did it.

By: Ignatius

Ignatius — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:54:37 +0000

He has demonstrated that hope is powerful — during elections, during administrations, anytime. With Democrats, there is the hope that the gay agenda will be enacted and broken promises and/or inaction are far, far preferable than no hope at all with the Republicans. For them, being a sugar daddy is far preferable to being persona non grata.

It makes perfect sense. Liberal homosexuals support the candidates/party that at the very least pay(s) lip service to what they have defined as their issues. Seems pretty rational to me. I don’t recall too many on election night exclaiming “Now we KNOW we’re finally getting everything we want!” I suspect most took a wait-and-see approach.

By: Peter Hughes

Peter Hughes — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:45:21 +0000

#10 – “Most of my gay friends are one issue voters, gay issues. See where that got them.”

Ah, the classic maxim. You live by identity politics, you die by identity politics.

Regards,
Peter H.

By: TnnsNE1

TnnsNE1 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:52:51 +0000

I am not sure who is more wrong : Mr. Obama for making the promises or the people believing him.

If I remember correctly, Mr. McCain’s long term Chief of Staff is an openly gay man. Are there any openly gay people in Mr. Obama’s circle of power? At least with the GOP, I know where I stand. With Democratic leaders, I am lied to, used as fund raising fodder and pandered to.

Most of my gay friends are one issue voters, gay issues. See where that got them.

By: V the K

V the K — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:37:52 +0000

Comrade Teleprompter’s trying to vote “Present,” on y’all’s agenda. Told ya so.

By: JebnTex

JebnTex — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:06:02 +0000

My liberal friends STILL DON’T understand what Obama actually did or should I say didn’t do….

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE??????

By: Sharp_Right_Turn

Sharp_Right_Turn — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:51:04 +0000

May Obama’s blatant disregard for the gay community have something to do with his attempt to better endear himself in the Muslim (anti-gay) world?

By: ILoveCapitalism

ILoveCapitalism — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:32:44 +0000

I simply do not understand why the default political position for Gay Americans isn’t pure libertarianism. Government out of the bedroom. Government out of the pocket book… instead of swooning whenever some charismatic socialist appears on the scene.

You and me, RH. But I have a theory: Even rent boys need medical. And the renters are too cheap to pay it. They want the rest of society to (i.e., us). Hence the socialism.

By: Rhodium Heart

Rhodium Heart — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:10:35 +0000

I simply do not understand why the default political position for Gay Americans isn’t pure libertarianism. Government out of the bedroom. Government out of the pocket book.

Despite the combination of high levels of disposable incomes and low demand for governmental services (due to far greater likelihood of childlessness), you’d think Gay America would vote against lefty-liberalism, instead of swooning whenever some charismatic socialist appears on the scene.

Gay America needs to stop acting like the rich but otherwise fading and unattractive sugar daddy that can only keep his twink Democrat-socialist boyfriend interested through increasingly larger and larger infusions of cash.

By: Leah

Leah — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:58:46 +0000

(Was he spooked by the success of Prop 8 in one of his best states?)

No way, he knew quite well that the Black and Hispanic communities aren’t in favor of gay marriage.
They are probably the reason right now that he is backtracking on his promises to the gays.

Sure, a small percentage of gays provide him and the democratic party with a lot of money. But it’s the Blacks and Hispanics who give him so many actual votes.

A party made up of so many differing victim groups will end up very fractured. I’m just hoping that maybe, some of the gays will open their eyes and not blindly put all their faith in the Dems.

As Dan says, the private sector is a better alternative.