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Gay Groups Maintain Silence on Iran Protests

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 7:00 pm - June 22, 2009.
Filed under: Gay Politics,Islamic War on Gays

While a number of gay blogs have done yeoman’s work covering the demonstrations in Iran and expressing support for those protesting one of the most anti-gay regimes on the planet, I just checked the websites of three major gay groups in the United States.

Yup, you guessed it.  Not even a staement of suport.

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  1. but they demand OTHER people stick up for THIER rights. Drop dead all of you that have stayed silent. Cosmic payback-expect it

    Comment by Sue — June 22, 2009 @ 7:21 pm - June 22, 2009

  2. That’s total bull and political gamesmanship. Nobody knows where these protests are going. Nobody knows what Mousavi would be like (you do remember he helped established Iran’s nuclear program, yes?). Nobody has the leaast bit of information about the best plan of action to help the people of Iran. And yet here you go with your hawkish cheerleading without any indication of what the outcome would be.

    I’ve noted several times on my blog where organizations like HRC, ILGLHRC, the United Nations and other organizations have been instrumental in activism to try to improve the conditions gay men and women in Iran and other middle eastern nations for years, actual activism in lobbying our state department, staging protests at Iranian diplomatic headquarters, and lobbying Iran’s leaders. GOProud puts out one press release and suddenly we’re suppose to think they’re leading the efforts here when they’re simply advocating violence against Iran as consequence for a host of things rather than specifically trying to help gay men and women in these countries.

    It’s such utter bull. If you think conservatives and Republicans are so much better on this issue, where are the actions? Where is the lobbying? Where is the money?

    Shut up or put up already.

    Comment by Countervail — June 22, 2009 @ 7:58 pm - June 22, 2009

  3. Whose a conservative? I’ve been a democrat for 25 years. Speaking out against beating and murdering in the streets. Nothing difficult, complicated or mysterious about that.

    Again, up yours and all the gays that stay silent while these people die. Foam at the mouth all you want, it boils down to you want my support, you ain’t gonna get it when you don’t support others. I don’t care whether my reasons are good enough for you or not, i’ll speak with my “no” vote when it comes on the ballot. Tough!

    It seems you and people of your ilk have a problem with just being human. you’ll only lift a finger if there’s something in it for you.

    Comment by Sue — June 22, 2009 @ 8:37 pm - June 22, 2009

  4. Hey, not all gay groups. :-)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 22, 2009 @ 8:54 pm - June 22, 2009

  5. Neither does GOPround or LCR. So what’s the point here? Oh right, to needle liberals. Funny, because GOProud has a link to discounted membership at the NRA…nope, no sign of support there either. Here’s an idea, let’s tally up all the liberal/conservative sites that don’t mention this and the higher number loses.

    Comment by Kevin — June 22, 2009 @ 9:14 pm - June 22, 2009

  6. ILC, good to see that picture.

    Comment by Leah — June 22, 2009 @ 9:43 pm - June 22, 2009

  7. i’m starting to seriously think this site is a colbert-style parody of modern day conservatism.

    Comment by bob (aka boob, littleletter person, etc.) — June 22, 2009 @ 9:52 pm - June 22, 2009

  8. boob: You’re missing out on the fact that no one should care what you think.

    Leah – thanks ;-)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 22, 2009 @ 9:58 pm - June 22, 2009

  9. Here’s an idea, let’s tally up all the liberal/conservative sites that don’t mention this and the higher number loses
    ——————
    Here’s an idea, let’s tally up the number of the same sites asking and demanding people’s support to give them the same rights?

    Seems you only want to needle republicans. The hole big enough to sail a cruise ship through in your nonsensical post is Iranian protesters are asking people to support them in the struggle for rights. Hmmm, i wonder what that group could possibly have in common with gays?

    Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

    Comment by Tgrt22 — June 22, 2009 @ 10:49 pm - June 22, 2009

  10. boob, is Obama a modern day parody of a President?
    Next time you speak to Obamateleprompter could you ask him to get one or two of these problems SOLVED? All he does is yak yak yak about things. It would help if he actually did something to FIX a problem. Now I hear he’s going on VACATION? Good Lord. What a slap in the face of the Iranian freedom fighters.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 22, 2009 @ 10:59 pm - June 22, 2009

  11. Devastating news….Jon and Kate just filed for divorce after 10 years.
    Damn that makes me sad.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 22, 2009 @ 11:01 pm - June 22, 2009

  12. The comment that GOProud didn’t have a statement, left out that the newsroom hasn’t been updated since 6/10. I am sure this wasn’t left out on purpose.

    Also, organizations that espouse human rights, should actually support human rights. GOProud is a Republican outfit, and the NRA… is about the 2nd amendment.

    It’s really a strawman to say because a gay republican outfit and a firearms lobby, did not issue a statement of support, that the human rights outfits should ingnore human rights.

    Comment by Vincent Bordini — June 22, 2009 @ 11:04 pm - June 22, 2009

  13. #5 ….to needle liberals…” man up liberal boys and girls. You re in charge. It’s all yours. How’s that working out for ya? We’ve noticed that since the libs have controlled Congress since 2006, and Obama’s election almost 8 months ago, things have gone to hell in a hangbag. Could you guys get something done. Wanna fix some things? Wanna quit messing things up and making problems worse? I’ve got an idea, start with Obamateleprompter. Before he fixes earth shattering problems how bout asking him to first be a good example for his daughters, get him to quit smoking!! I know it’s hard. Man up!

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 22, 2009 @ 11:12 pm - June 22, 2009

  14. this is ridiculous. These groups mission’s do not include commenting on non gay lesbian right issues. They are not political blogs. This is an unfair characterization.

    Comment by akminority report — June 22, 2009 @ 11:51 pm - June 22, 2009

  15. That’s right I recall Iranian President Ahmejenacrazy said Iran didn’t have any gay people. (I’m not sure if it’s because he really doesn’t know of them or he knows he’s hung them all).
    So why would gay groups comment on any thing happening in Iran? huh?

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 22, 2009 @ 11:54 pm - June 22, 2009

  16. this is ridiculous.

    Indeed. There’s nothing in it for the liberals and they sure as hell don’t believe in freedom.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 23, 2009 @ 12:23 am - June 23, 2009

  17. Sue, I completely hear you but as a nation we have a very tough choice here. If we meddle in the conflict, in the short term we may help a few people. However it’s very unlikely that the current government is going to be displaced. Even if we did get involved, it’s completely unreasonable to think that we can unseat the power structure in Iran. What is there to fill the void it is still part of the old guard of the country. Some reforms may be made, but it’s not what conservative would have you think. We’d simply add more fuel to the fire that way, give those in power a focus for the angst of Iran, solidify their power even more against the US and give them a very specific and reasonable excuse to heighten violence and kill more opposition. It’s a lose-lose situation both for the goals of the reformers there, who have specifically expressed that the US stay out of it, and for American interests. We do more by watching and waiting, allowing the anti-American power structure to implode, being ready to pick up the pieces at the right time for the benefit of both Iran and ourselves.

    But back to the matter at hand, namely smack talking national gay organizations about international gay rights issues. As I’ve said, HRC and other groups for years have advocated for better treatment for gay men and women in the middle east. Because I’m concerned about this post being bumped I won’t post a lot of links, but I’ll urge you to go to the HRC, and IGLHRC websites and check their news archives to become familiar. Also do a search about the UN and gay rights and see how the US policies there have changed for specific advocacy supporting LGBT people around the world with the new administration. Wayne Besen and a number of liberal organizations in April organized a protest here in NYC at the Iraqi mission protesting the treatment of gay men and women there. Even on this site, it took a Democratic senator, Mark Leno, to lead the way on a protest in California which I gather while sparsely attended, was even more sparsely attended by conservatives and Republicans.

    GOProud is the only conservative or Republican organization I know of that even seems to have LGBT mistreatment in middle eastern countries on the radar. But even so, all I’ve ever seen them do is issue a press release. I’m still waiting for specific advocacy and financial resources be put forward specifically regarding gay rights in middle eastern countries (not just neoconservative war advocacy) by GOProud and other conservative and Republican organizations.

    Comment by Countervail — June 23, 2009 @ 12:40 am - June 23, 2009

  18. Waiting…..
    6 million Jews and 5 million gays and gypsies were murdered when western democracies waited for proof positive of the killings. The USA is suppose to be better than that. 200,000 slaughtered in Darfur. But they are just Africans huh? I don’t understand how anyone cannnot take a stand on Iranian freedom or the Darfur massacres. We can’t get organized groups to even SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE DEATHS? Shame!

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 23, 2009 @ 1:03 am - June 23, 2009

  19. #7 “i’m starting to seriously think this site is a colbert-style parody of modern day conservatism.”

    This, from a guy who says we have no reason to doubt Obama’s word when he says he’s going to have DOMA repealed because HE CURRENTLY DOESN’T HAVE AN ELECTION COMING UP.

    Comment by Sean A — June 23, 2009 @ 1:25 am - June 23, 2009

  20. #14: “this is ridiculous. These groups mission’s do not include commenting on non gay lesbian right issues. They are not political blogs. This is an unfair characterization.”

    The fu*k it is, akminority report. Iran is a regime that is well-known for hanging gays in the town square in broad daylight (the photos of the dead teenagers hanging in the gallows are easy to find on google because Iran doesn’t try to censor or hide them–they’re proud of them because it is done for the glory of Allah). This is very much a gay issue. And furthermore, if gays being free from persecution in Iran isn’t part of these groups’ “mission,” then why are they so outspoken on issues like abortion?

    http://www.thetaskforce.org/blog/20070514-matt-foreman-damn-right-we-support-a-womans-right-to-choose

    How is unrestricted access to abortion a more important issue to gay men and lesbians than persecution of gays and lesbians in Iran?

    Comment by Sean A — June 23, 2009 @ 1:58 am - June 23, 2009

  21. and yet all these gays in America are strangely silent in support of protesters that are against a regime that hang gays. and yet all these gays in America are strangely silent in support of portesters that seek basic human rights, while they seek their own rights. And yet all these gays in America demand everyone support them.

    Blow it out your a$$

    If your not them or in their circle, they are telling you they don’t give a crap with their silence. It is not about Republicans reaction vs gay reaction. It IS about gays reaction to the situation, period, end of sentance. You want something from me that the majority of gays are not even willing to give to people that are in the same boat as them. Good luck with that one

    Comment by Sue — June 23, 2009 @ 2:31 am - June 23, 2009

  22. I have a story.one mother says she’s aware something is very wrong, but she doesn’t want to hear about it because she just wants to “be with her children and see them grow up happy.” I tell her ,“But, if we don’t stop this, your children may not get to grow up at all.” so basically, she’s using her kids as an excuse for her own inability to face reality.

    Comment by chi hair straightener — June 23, 2009 @ 3:15 am - June 23, 2009

  23. Even if we did get involved, it’s completely unreasonable to think that we can unseat the power structure in Iran.

    I’ve not found anybody here who suggests we should. Am I wrong?

    It’s a lose-lose situation

    How do we lose by voicing our support for freedom from tyranny?

    (not just neoconservative war advocacy) by GOProud and other conservative and Republican organizations.

    I’m sorry, who has been advocating war?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 23, 2009 @ 4:23 am - June 23, 2009

  24. #23: TGC, countervail is just another Obama apologist that has adopted all of the talking points of the administration and the MSM to the letter. But in their predictable rush to defend Obama’s pathetic lack of leadership, the apologists have ignored the bigger issue. If Obama can’t even condemn the Mullahs and Ahmadinejad for their oppression and violence against the protesters, how can we possibly believe his promise that he will prevent a “nuclear Iran” through sanctions and diplomatic chit-chat? Obama is on the record assuring us that he has the ability to CONVINCE Iran that it shouldn’t (and ultimately won’t) want nukes because it would just spark an arms race in the Middle East. But now, Iran knows that Obama is too chicken-sh*t to say anything more than that he’s “deeply, deeply, deeply troubled” by the violence. He’s confirmed what we (and Iran) already knew–when Iran gives us the finger and continues their development of nuclear weapons, Obama will do NOTHING. In fact, Obama is likely hoping that Iran is further along in its development of nuclear weapons than we previously thought because if (when) it is revealed that Iran has functioning warheads, Obama will have the convenient excuse of not taking action because Iran might launch its warheads in retaliation. And of course, fools like countervail (as prompted by the MSM) will defend Obama’s (non)action as “measured” and “pragmatic.” It’s pathetic and sickening.

    Comment by Sean A — June 23, 2009 @ 5:06 am - June 23, 2009

  25. Hmm, doesn’t Iran have a nationalized economy?

    No wonder Bob’s so eager to not get involved or wants to see President Obama disinvite Imadinnerjacket from the July 4th celebrations at the White House. After all bob’s support of fascist government is well documented.

    If Obama had been president in the 80′s, then my Russian classes would have been useful.

    Comment by The Livewire — June 23, 2009 @ 6:44 am - June 23, 2009

  26. First of all, I agree with those saying that Obama should be much more outspoken about what’s going on Iran. This is just another example in which I have been questioning Obama’s leadership. Perhaps he’ll be more outspoken today at this news conference, but I’m not holding my breath.

    With regard to gay organizations, I have been critical of them for not speaking out as much as they should with Obama reneging on his promises, and the briefs that were put out recently in Supreme Court cases. However, I’m not sure if criticism is warranted in this case. Obviously, I wouldn’t have a problem if they had a statement in support of the protesters, and they can certainly bring up the fact, again, that the current regime is deplorable against gay rights. But the current protest is not about gay rights. In fact, it appears that the opposition to the regime is no more friendly to gay rights than the current regime.

    Sean A, I don’t believe gay organizations should be commented on abortion, if you ask me.

    Comment by Pat — June 23, 2009 @ 7:16 am - June 23, 2009

  27. It’s understandable to point out the hypocrisy of liberal homosexual organizations and their relative silence on the issue of the treatment of homosexuals abroad, pointing out their silence betrays their identity, worldview, “their people”. What doesn’t seem to be understood is the hypocrisy of demanding that conservatives behave likewise.

    Comment by Ignatius — June 23, 2009 @ 8:53 am - June 23, 2009

  28. I have pointed out that groups like HRC, IGLHRC, coalitions within the United Nations and many other groups for years have spoken out and taken action both about the situation within Iran and other middle eastern countries for years.

    But I see that this thread really isn’t about that after all. You’re all looking for an excuse to either criticize the president or criticize gay leadership groups in the United States for no other reason than you’re conservatives/Republicans.

    Because if it were anything else, you’d actually:

    a) have a record of calling for action and participated in actual advocacy before the current crisis with the previous administration and congress, since this is not a new scenario

    b) have a record of calling for action and participated in actual advocacy for Iraq where even with the newly installed, supposedly pro-American government this action is still occurring; you’d also be appalled at the incidental death our actions there have cause with tens, maybe hundreds of people dead because of the military action in the country (is it possible to re-invade a country?)

    c) have a record of calling for action and participated in actual advocacy for other countries where both human right abuses in general and specifically against gay men and women have occurred

    d) have a record of calling for smart advocacy and policies that account for resolving the situation for the long term

    What exactly have you done as advocacy to help Darfur, Sudan, China, Korea, etc.?

    GOProud seems to be the model you’re looking for – a “gay” organization that posts immediate news releases proposing imprudent action and criticizing organizations that have a track record for taking actual action while not doing anything themselves.

    Comment by Countervail — June 23, 2009 @ 9:58 am - June 23, 2009

  29. Oops. That should be “commenting” not “commented” on #26

    Comment by Pat — June 23, 2009 @ 10:28 am - June 23, 2009

  30. But I see that this thread really isn’t about that after all. You’re all looking for an excuse to either criticize the president or criticize gay leadership groups in the United States for no other reason than you’re conservatives/Republicans
    —————–
    Looks like your looking for a big bad wolf when you don’t get your gay rights and it’s Republicans fault. Wah wah wah.

    What’s my reason? I’m a Democrat and told you that. Don’t worry Countervail, i’m done with you and will do my talking at the ballot box- big fat no. You can thank yourself and thank other gays like you, the prop 8 thugs and all those gays that stayed silent when it happened for turning my yes vote into a no vote.

    For someone that wants something from other people, you have a funny way of showing it. With people like you on their side, gays will never get rights. You can’t insult, degrade and alienate people into supporting you

    Comment by Sue — June 23, 2009 @ 12:35 pm - June 23, 2009

  31. @17:

    I totally disagree. I think that regime is HIGHLY LIKELY to be replaced. SOON. When protesters are yelling “Death to the dictator,” a reference to the alleged supreme leader, you know they’re at a tipping point.

    Comment by Richard — June 23, 2009 @ 1:02 pm - June 23, 2009

  32. #31 – Good point, Richard. The pro-democracy protestors are indeed conflagrating Ahmadinejad’s portrait the way the zealots 30 years ago did to Jimmy Carter, the Shah and the US flag.

    This whole thing is approaching critical mass. If opposition leader Mousavi gets incarcerated or worse, assassinated, then the country will literally explode.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — June 23, 2009 @ 2:35 pm - June 23, 2009

  33. First of all, Countervail, thanks for ignoring my question. Second,

    I have pointed out that groups like HRC, IGLHRC, coalitions within the United Nations and many other groups for years have spoken out and taken action both about the situation within Iran and other middle eastern countries for years.

    If they actually had spoken out “for years”, one would think that they would be doing it yet again, no? What’s more, why do the mindless drones who support them make excuses for them?

    Further, you do realize that GOProud is in it’s infancy and can’t do a whole heck of a lot yet, don’t you?

    But then given your record, I don’t expect an answer. I expect more spin provided as the “current truth”.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 23, 2009 @ 3:02 pm - June 23, 2009

  34. The turmoil in Iran is an internal matter…the U.S….as much as we might like to help those people throw off the yoke…should not meddle in the affairs of a sovereign nation uninvited. That’s how I see it. Reverse the roles for a moment…and give it some thought. my.wood.is.knotty@gmail.com

    Comment by knotty wood — June 23, 2009 @ 3:25 pm - June 23, 2009

  35. Bull knotty,

    if for no other reason, we pledged 64 years ago ‘never again’ if we have the ability to help make something new in Iran, we damn well better.

    According to you, we’d not have liberated Afganistan, or Iraq because their terror supporting ways are ‘internal matters’.

    Comment by The_Livewire — June 23, 2009 @ 4:59 pm - June 23, 2009

  36. knotty wood, I would hope to God that if the roles were reversed and our governnment were beating and killing unarmed citizens for peaceful protesting, that the rest of the world would infact immediatly condemn our governemnt for the violence and repression to it’s people. That they would denounce a blatantly clear election fraud and the bloody repression of the people. That they would recognize a military regime that can’t even hide behind the mask of any kind of democracy for the people and not negotiate with a clear fraud regime

    Where are you getting the impression anyone is saying send in the marines?

    Comment by Racer — June 23, 2009 @ 5:02 pm - June 23, 2009

  37. #23 and 33 TGC: I didn’t realize I was specifically obligated to answer your posts. It’s unclear how it could have been more easy to understand though.

    The United States puts the opposition at risk, the people we want to help, specifically when we advocate for them in this instance. That is why the President hasn’t heightened the rhetoric, that is why most experts in middle eastern and world affairs have advocated caution and measured response, but most importantly it’s what the leaders of the opposition have asked. They do not want us involved because it allows the current Iranian leadership to use it to their advantage. Our involvement hurts those we want to help. Our involvement also hurts our long term diplomatic goals with the country and the region. Does that make sense? I understand you want to see action, but you don’t seem to realize that that action could have far worse consequences to the people we want to help and our national interests.

    The President and others have advocated for the tolerance of peaceful demonstration and a commitment to non-violent action on both sides of the conflict. And when the time comes we will be in a much better position to help than if we acted otherwise.

    It’s absolutely disingenuous for you to pose innocence on “who has been advocating war with Iran.” In 2 minutes time I could post dozens of news releases and reports about Republicans and conservatives who advocated that exact position for the last decade. If you promise to read it, I’ll post it at my blog.

    And while GOProud is in its infancy, Log Cabin Republicans as it’s parent group has only once issued a denunciation of execution in Iran, just like every other gay group in 2005. In fact, when you search the word “death” on the site you’re more likely to find posts about the death tax or the passing of prominent Republican icons than the killing of gay men and women in the middle east. It’s not been a priority or even a cause to advocate whereas organizations like HRC and IGLHRC have done specific advocacy on this issue for many years.

    But it’s not just specifically gay groups. It’s Republican and conservative groups in general. They simply have not stepped up to the plate at all with this kind of advocacy.

    Finally Sue, I understand your anger. A lot of people are upset that more equality measures are not happening sooner with a new administration. But your anger here is misplaced. I’d ask that your read Peggy Noonan’s latest post for a perhaps better perspective on the situation than I can offer. Like Iran, you’ll do yourself a favor by saving all your emotion for the right time in the right place.

    P.S. Sue, are you sure you’re from California? Because a “no” on 8 was a vote for gay rights, not the other way around. I’m a bit skeptical you’re commentary is honest here.

    Comment by Countervail — June 23, 2009 @ 10:43 pm - June 23, 2009

  38. #37: “Our involvement also hurts our long term diplomatic goals with the country and the region. Does that make sense?”

    I don’t know, Countervail. It depends on what you think our “long term diplomatic goals with the country” are.

    “The President and others have advocated for the tolerance of peaceful demonstration and a commitment to non-violent action on both sides of the conflict. And when the time comes we will be in a much better position to help than if we acted otherwise.”

    Again, Countervail, what do you mean by “when the time comes” and “help?”

    Comment by Sean A — June 24, 2009 @ 12:03 am - June 24, 2009

  39. First, i am not from California-newsflash-there are other states in our country. There are also other states that are thinking about putting it to ballot. Those same state do not phrase things the same as California. The world does not revolve around California and your one trick pony tactic, much to your surprise. I am also straight so i could give a good crap whether you get equality or not.

    How obtuse are you countervail? YOU want ME to support gays, yet gays won’t support others? Take the 2 dying brain cells you have and figure that one out.

    Your just to dense to get it that what you think doesn’t matter. It’s my support you want. And you actually wonder why people won’t support you when you pull this hogwash? I thought your just being a wiseass-a lesser degree than the prop 8 thugs. But I realize your just a dumbass of epic proportion.

    Enjoy the next 20 years of not getting equal rights. With people like you on their side, plus backing Dems, you’ll never get them in your lifetime

    Comment by Sue — June 24, 2009 @ 4:18 pm - June 24, 2009

  40. TGC: I didn’t realize I was specifically obligated to answer your posts. It’s unclear how it could have been more easy to understand though.

    Seems to me that if someone asks you a question, you might ought to answer it and not be a dick about it.

    Still didn’t answer which “neo-cons” were advocating war.

    This whole “internal matter” angle is interesting. The murder of gays, Jews, Pols, gypsies, Czechs etc. was an “internal matter”. Guess we ought not to have “meddled” there either.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 25, 2009 @ 1:55 am - June 25, 2009

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