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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t forget, Nan G, that African Muslims (Obama&#039;s father&#039;s ancestors, anyone?) were also involved in capturing and selling other Africans as slaves.  Some were also slaveholders themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#8217;t forget, Nan G, that African Muslims (Obama&#8217;s father&#8217;s ancestors, anyone?) were also involved in capturing and selling other Africans as slaves.  Some were also slaveholders themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Nan G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nan G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody needs to educate Obama on who did/does the slavery thing in Ghana.

He told his daughters (via CNN) &quot;You try to explain that people were willing to degrade others because they APPEARED DIFFERENTLY.&quot;

But the facts came out in a Chicago Tribune article that the people who sold/sell Ghanans into slavery are parents, uncles and others who look JUST LIKE the children they sold!

Here are the two citations:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/17/obama.slavery/
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-tc-nw-africa-slavery-0713-07jul17,0,7118237.story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody needs to educate Obama on who did/does the slavery thing in Ghana.</p>
<p>He told his daughters (via CNN) &#8220;You try to explain that people were willing to degrade others because they APPEARED DIFFERENTLY.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the facts came out in a Chicago Tribune article that the people who sold/sell Ghanans into slavery are parents, uncles and others who look JUST LIKE the children they sold!</p>
<p>Here are the two citations:<br />
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/17/obama.slavery/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/17/obama.slavery/</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-tc-nw-africa-slavery-0713-07jul17,0,7118237.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-tc-nw-africa-slavery-0713-07jul17,0,7118237.story</a></p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/07/19/obama-and-africa-in-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-452162</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why is the president willing to prod Africa to pull itself up and take some responsibility for itself, but won’t say the same thing to his own constituents?&lt;/i&gt;

Then liberals would hemorrhage voters. There&#039;d be no point in ACORN or the race pimps who wanted to cut his balls off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why is the president willing to prod Africa to pull itself up and take some responsibility for itself, but won’t say the same thing to his own constituents?</i></p>
<p>Then liberals would hemorrhage voters. There&#8217;d be no point in ACORN or the race pimps who wanted to cut his balls off.</p>
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		<title>By: SoCalRobert</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoCalRobert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is spot-on with the source of Africa&#039;s problems (whether or not he means it is another story). I think the same thing could be said of problems in segments of our own population.

But if tribalism and patronage and nepotism are bad for African countries, are they not also bad for this country?

Tribalism seems to be job #1 for politicians (wise Latinas, the black vote, the white vote, the women&#039;s vote, angry white males, the gay vote, soccer moms, the Hispanic vote, the rich, the poor, the middle class...). I&#039;ve long held that tribalism and the attendant pandering to demographic groups may well attract votes in the short term, but, in the long term, will be our ruin.

Sonia Sotomayor was born in the Bronx (last I checked, the good old US of A) and all we&#039;re supposed see as relevant is that she is of P.R. descent and female. Why not just &quot;US citizen&quot;?

And for patronage and nepotism - Chicago politics anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is spot-on with the source of Africa&#8217;s problems (whether or not he means it is another story). I think the same thing could be said of problems in segments of our own population.</p>
<p>But if tribalism and patronage and nepotism are bad for African countries, are they not also bad for this country?</p>
<p>Tribalism seems to be job #1 for politicians (wise Latinas, the black vote, the white vote, the women&#8217;s vote, angry white males, the gay vote, soccer moms, the Hispanic vote, the rich, the poor, the middle class&#8230;). I&#8217;ve long held that tribalism and the attendant pandering to demographic groups may well attract votes in the short term, but, in the long term, will be our ruin.</p>
<p>Sonia Sotomayor was born in the Bronx (last I checked, the good old US of A) and all we&#8217;re supposed see as relevant is that she is of P.R. descent and female. Why not just &#8220;US citizen&#8221;?</p>
<p>And for patronage and nepotism &#8211; Chicago politics anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I heard some of the snippets of this speech, my thoughts were similar to those of Ignatius and TGC.  Why was he criticizing the corrupt governments of Africa, when his policies and actions in office are doing whatever they can to bring that sort of government here to the U.S.?  Then I remembered that it was Obama speaking, and &quot;the one&quot; has a history of saying one thing and doing something very different.  There was no truer case of a president for whom actions speak louder than words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I heard some of the snippets of this speech, my thoughts were similar to those of Ignatius and TGC.  Why was he criticizing the corrupt governments of Africa, when his policies and actions in office are doing whatever they can to bring that sort of government here to the U.S.?  Then I remembered that it was Obama speaking, and &#8220;the one&#8221; has a history of saying one thing and doing something very different.  There was no truer case of a president for whom actions speak louder than words.</p>
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		<title>By: DRH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

&quot;what was wrong with wanting that in places like, say, Iran?&quot;

I cannot say what big O wants in this regard, or what the administration is planning in regards to Iran. Yet given our history with Iran, I think his response was very appropriate. Any strong statement is just going to give the Supreme Leader there a basis to say &quot;this uprising is a Western conspiracy!&quot; And that kind of paranoia will crush any hopes that their society will become more free. As you said, it is tough love, and that is painful to watch.

&quot;Which brings me to this: Why is the president willing to prod Africa to pull itself up and take some responsibility for itself, but won’t say the same thing to his own constituents?&quot;

What&#039;s good for the goose won&#039;t get you re-elected by the gander. Instead he talks about &#039;sacrifice&#039; like a substitute for taking responsibility. The way he talks about sacrifice strikes me as a bit of feel-good Mercerism. Politically that is brilliant, as there is a portion of his &#039;base&#039; which is so tormented with guilt, and this gives them a touch of absolution.


In other news, this story is worth some consideration: http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12814603</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>&#8220;what was wrong with wanting that in places like, say, Iran?&#8221;</p>
<p>I cannot say what big O wants in this regard, or what the administration is planning in regards to Iran. Yet given our history with Iran, I think his response was very appropriate. Any strong statement is just going to give the Supreme Leader there a basis to say &#8220;this uprising is a Western conspiracy!&#8221; And that kind of paranoia will crush any hopes that their society will become more free. As you said, it is tough love, and that is painful to watch.</p>
<p>&#8220;Which brings me to this: Why is the president willing to prod Africa to pull itself up and take some responsibility for itself, but won’t say the same thing to his own constituents?&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s good for the goose won&#8217;t get you re-elected by the gander. Instead he talks about &#8217;sacrifice&#8217; like a substitute for taking responsibility. The way he talks about sacrifice strikes me as a bit of feel-good Mercerism. Politically that is brilliant, as there is a portion of his &#8216;base&#8217; which is so tormented with guilt, and this gives them a touch of absolution.</p>
<p>In other news, this story is worth some consideration: <a href="http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12814603" rel="nofollow">http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12814603</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sabra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If he doesn’t mean it to apply here, why would it apply there?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d like to be able to disagree with this, but alas I cannot.

On the surface, it&#039;s a wonderful speech.  If he means it, and has a plan (I was going to say a concrete plan, but really at this point I&#039;d take nebulous &amp; theoretical) to see it through, then it&#039;s a good thing.

But I think TGC is right.  It&#039;s too far afield from his domestic agenda.  Either he is just saying what he thinks will fly the best to his audience, he is legacy-building already a la Bill Clinton, or he&#039;s got one heckuva cognitive dissonance thing going on where he doesn&#039;t even realize the dichotomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If he doesn’t mean it to apply here, why would it apply there?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d like to be able to disagree with this, but alas I cannot.</p>
<p>On the surface, it&#8217;s a wonderful speech.  If he means it, and has a plan (I was going to say a concrete plan, but really at this point I&#8217;d take nebulous &amp; theoretical) to see it through, then it&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
<p>But I think TGC is right.  It&#8217;s too far afield from his domestic agenda.  Either he is just saying what he thinks will fly the best to his audience, he is legacy-building already a la Bill Clinton, or he&#8217;s got one heckuva cognitive dissonance thing going on where he doesn&#8217;t even realize the dichotomy.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Does he mean this? &lt;/i&gt;

If he doesn&#039;t mean it to apply here, why would it apply there?

&lt;i&gt;Tribalism and nepotism are part and parcel of the Obama administration.&lt;/i&gt;

Read: Cronyism, special interests and unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Does he mean this? </i></p>
<p>If he doesn&#8217;t mean it to apply here, why would it apply there?</p>
<p><i>Tribalism and nepotism are part and parcel of the Obama administration.</i></p>
<p>Read: Cronyism, special interests and unions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ignatius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ignatius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tribalism and nepotism are part and parcel of the Obama administration.  Woe be to Ghanans should they accept aid conditional upon accepting what they already practice, modernized.  It&#039;s a revealing speech, but I doubt in the way Obama intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tribalism and nepotism are part and parcel of the Obama administration.  Woe be to Ghanans should they accept aid conditional upon accepting what they already practice, modernized.  It&#8217;s a revealing speech, but I doubt in the way Obama intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Male of Gaiety and Pallor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Male of Gaiety and Pallor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His comments on tribalism and nepotism could apply to many other countries around the world.  Is he adopting a &quot;freedom agenda&quot; for Africa, along the lines of the much-maligned policy of his predecessor?  Also, I&#039;m glad to see that I am not alone in not being moved by Obama&#039;s speaking style.  He comes across to me as angry and condescending.  I can&#039;t understand the conservative pundits who seem to fall all over themselves to praise his oratory skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His comments on tribalism and nepotism could apply to many other countries around the world.  Is he adopting a &#8220;freedom agenda&#8221; for Africa, along the lines of the much-maligned policy of his predecessor?  Also, I&#8217;m glad to see that I am not alone in not being moved by Obama&#8217;s speaking style.  He comes across to me as angry and condescending.  I can&#8217;t understand the conservative pundits who seem to fall all over themselves to praise his oratory skills.</p>
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