Despite Democratic descriptions of those protesting the President’s health care as a “mob,” protesters on the whole have conducted themselves in a civil manner. And despite conservative criticism of Democratic Representatives (and Senators) of painting their critics with a broad brush (as some have done), a good number of Democrats, like the late Jim Hunter, have shown great respect for their political adversaries.
And I’m pleased to report that one such Democrat, Connecticut’s Chris Murphy is a graduate of America’s finest liberal arts’ college. Although “mobbed” by angry constituents at a supermarket in his district, this good man was unfazed and stood up for citizens’ rights to speak out:
Murphy said it didn’t matter to him whether those attending were part of a coordinated effort or just on their own.
“Any time I’m talking to my constituents in an unfiltered way I consider it productive,” he said in a phone interview afterward.
Murphy acknowledged that a few angry voices dominated the gathering, at least initially. But he said that didn’t bother him. “Was that out of a Norman Rockwell town meeting painting? No. But there are big issues being discussed in Washington … and people have a right to be concerned, even angry about it.”
It’s too bad my representatives in Washington haven’t shown such understanding for their critics’ concerns. (Heck, they don’t even seem to be open to meeting with us.) Still, we should act as if all our representatives were as open to our concerns as Murphy has been.
When we protest, we must make our concerns known, but not drown out elected officials (and their representatives) when they are trying to speak. Allahpundit offers this advice:
If all they’re going to do is scream, they belong outside. Disrupting the event itself when people are trying to listen is a jackass thing to do, and totally counterproductive in terms of handing the left material with which to tar the GOP.
Also, take heed to Jim Geraghty:
Hey, I hate the heckler’s veto, and want the folks yelling at Blue Dog Mike Ross to give him time to point out where he disagrees with Obama. Yes, it’s stupid to use Nazi imagery in protest signs, I’m glad that after eight years of “Bushitler” you guys have finally figured that out.
No matter how civil most protesters are, the Democrats and their alies in the media and on the web will attempt to smear us as angry, racist mob of astroturfers. It’s sad that they strive to dismiss the legitimacy of our concerns and define us by the most extreme advocates of our cause.
Let’s not stoop to their level. Let’s speak out, forcefully, angrily if need be, but always civilly. Many elected officials will respond in a petty and petulant manner as have such Senators as Barbara Boxer, such Congressmen as Nancy Castor and Russ Carnahan and the woman all Democrats elected as House Speaker. But, there are the Chris Murphys out there. And let us show them the respect he has shown our counterparts in Connecticut.
We’re seeing the blatant hatred and contempt liberals have for Americans and for those who voted for them. The saddest thing is that they’ll vote for these lame-brained bastards who aren’t fit to lead a johnny detail again.
“No matter how civil most protesters are, the Democrats and their alies in the media and on the web will attempt to smear us as angry, racist mob of astroturfers. ”
Actually, no. It is only to the extent that y’all are angry, racist astroturfers that you will be characterized as such.
The very fact that you feel the need to write a post like this – telling your fellow travelers how to behave, is indicative of the fact that y’all have been behaving very badly as of late.
Y’all have stooped way below the lefties level already. Whereas you dont seem to have the honesty to admit that, I do commend you for trying to raise the bar.
Here’s guessing that the mob won’t listen to you…
GPW, again I commend you for asking for civility in public discourse! Acting like a member of a mob makes it easier for ’em to CALL us a mob! We don’t have to act like dolts if Pelosi, Boxer and their ilk are doing a fine job of it themselves on their side!
I wonder if it has crossed anyone’s mind that some Democratic activists are infiltrating these demos to make conservatives look bad. I’m just sayin’.
Um, Tano, I’m not telling them; I’m reminding them.
So, you come to my blog and accuse me of being a racist who has no legitimate concerns about an issue?
Since you say we all have been behaving badly, please provide your evidence. Show me that not one single individual at a townhall or rally rasied his concerns in a civil manner. Please provide the evidence. In other poss on this blog, I provide numerous links to reports of your side engaging in violence.
And why is it you must smear us as racist and dismiss our concerns? Please tell me why you have to insult us so? And please show me where on this blog I have said that all supporters of the president’s health care plan are insincere.
There is no pleasing some leftists. We may praise the civilty of our adversaries, but folks like Tano rush to insult and malign. No wonder they so look up to politicians like Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Al Franken and Barbara Boxer.
Jimbo, you’re already buying into their narrative that the bad behavior is on our side. Hardly. It’s just in their minds. They focus on one or two signs at this rally or that. And ignore the very obvious thuggish behavior of their side. The SEIU members who beat Kenneth Gladney in St. Louis were not hiding their union affiliation.
But, the New York Times seems only to have reported his existence in their Opinionator blog.
That said, I wouldn’t put it past the Democrats to infiltrate. It’s just there’s more than ample evidence of thuggish behavior on their side.
Yeah, because being unilaterally civil has worked so well in the past.
Given a choice between being the France of this war, or the America, I’ll take America.
Real democracy is *NOT* citizens sitting quietly with their hands folded while their elected betters lecture them. Real Democracy is not suppressing disagreement, it’s engaging it. Real Democracy is not hiding behind invitation-only “townhalls” stuffed with supporters. Real Democracy is not siccing union thugs to beat up people who disagree with you.
Strange how people who call themselves ‘Democrats’ don’t seem much interested in actual Democracy.
BTW, has it occurred to you that anti-ObamaCare protesters are getting the Joe-the-Plumber and Sarah Palin treatment? Are people ever going to get sick and tired of Democrats’ scorched Earth campaigns against anyone who criticizes Dear Leader?
GPW,
Huh? Where did I accuse YOU of being a racist? Why do you need to resort to such a twisting of my words?
I said that y’all will be accused of racism to the extent that you manifest such behavior. I assume that you personally have not manifested any such tendency, and you personally have not been accuse of anything.
I didn’t say “you all”, every one of you, has behaved badly. Thats a kinda silly charge, you must agree.
I said “y’all” have behaved badly – its an American idiom meaning that the characterization “badly” applies to the group you are a part of, not necessarily to you individually.
Kinda like when you talk about leftists, or liberals or Democrats. I am sure that most of the time you dont literlly mean every single leftist or liberal or Dem. is guilty of whatever sin you attribute to the group.
BUt you know all this. Why not make a serious response, like – yeah, there is bad behavior on my side, and I denounce it.
I have now been to 6 tax/health care protests of various sorts. In my opinion being nice and quiet is not going to stop this new and massive intrusion of government. Opponents of Obama are being told to play nice and go away because his supporters know they cannot win when 50 60 70 80 year olds show up and scream “tyranny” at them.
For once, the libtards are getting a taste of their own disruptive tactics. And they don’t like it one bit.
Tough. If you get in my face, I’m getting in yours. (And if you hit me, I’ll scream “hate crime!”) 😉
Regards,
Peter H.
i found the followin on gateway pundit’s blog
since it’s not been posted here-thought i’d share it
let’s make our “representatives” & “senators” SQUIRM over THIS:
As writer and author Larry Schweikart has chillingly documented, Obama�s monstrous �healthcare� Bill includes, among hundreds of other horrors:
Page 22: A mandate for the Government to audit the books of all employers that self insure.
Pg 30: A Government committee that will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive.
Pg 42: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You will have no choice!
Pg 50: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Pg 58: Government will have real-time access to an individual�s finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
Pg 59: Government will have direct access to your bank accounts.
Pg 65: Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions and community organizations like ACORN.
PG 85: The Government will ration your Healthcare!
Pg 95: The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.
PG 85: Specifics of Benefit Levels for AARP members – your Health care WILL be rationed.
pg 124: No company can sue Government on price fixing and there can be no �judicial review� against Government Monopoly.
Pg 145: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE.
Pg 126: Employers MUST pay for healthcare for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149: ANY Employer with payroll $400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8 percent tax on all payroll.
pg 150: Businesses with payroll between $251k & $400k that don�t provide public option pay 2-6 percent tax on all payroll.
Pg 167 ANY individual who doesn�t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5 percent of income.
Pg 170: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay).
Pg 195: Officers & employees of the Healthcare Administration (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans� finances and personal records.
PG 203: �The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.� Yes, it says that.
Pg 239: Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241: Doctors�doesn�t matter what specialty�will all be paid the same.
PG 253: Government sets value of Doctor�s time, professional judgment, etc.�literally, the value of humans.
PG 272: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!
Pg 317-318: Government will mandate that hospitals cannot expand.
Pg 354: Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
PG 425: Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations for seniors�Ķ end-of-life prodding.
Pg 425: Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
PG 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in how to die.
PG 429: �Advanced care consultation� may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life!
PG 430: The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
Pg 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services/Non-profit orgs. (ACORN Medical Services here?)
Pg 494-498: Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.
I said that y’all will be accused of racism to the extent that you manifest such behavior. I assume that you personally have not manifested any such tendency, and you personally have not been accuse of anything.
Then why the hell did you even mention it? Further, why is it that liberals ASSume that ANYONE who opposes Il Douche is a racist? Dig yourself out of that hole, Tano.
Oh and thanks for making the term “racist” meaningless.
Well see, y’all (folks like Tano) prefer little boys and preferrably buggering them in parks.
Note: I’m not accusing Tano of being a pedophile, just using an american idiom to make a generalization about his side.
It’s funny we hear Republicans say that they do not want “faceless bureaucrats” making medical decisions but they have no problem with “private sector” “faceless bureaucrats” daily declining medical coverage and financially ruining good hard working people. And who says that the “private sector” is always right, do we forget failures like Long-Term Capital, WorldCom, Global Crossing, Enron, Tyco, AIG and Lehman Brothers. Of course the federal government will destroy heathcare by getting involved, Oh but wait, Medicare and Medicaid and our military men and women and the Senate and Congress get the best heathcare in the world, and oh, that’s right, its run by our federal government. I can understand why some may think that the federal government will fail, if you look at the past eight years as a current history, with failures like the financial meltdown and Katrina but the facts is they can and if we support them they will succeed.
How does shouting down to stop the conversation of the healthcare debate at town hall meetings, endears them to anyone. Especially when the organizations that are telling them where to go and what to do and say are Republicans political operatives, not real grassroots. How does shouting someone down or chasing them out like a lynch mob advanced the debate, it does not. So I think the American people will see through all of this and know, like the teabagger, the birthers, these lynch mobs types are just the same, people who have to resort to these tactics because they have no leadership to articulate what they real want. It’s easy to pickup a bus load of people who hate, and that’s all I been seeing, they hate and can’t debate. Too bad.
#16 FAIL Here’s why:
It’s funny we hear Republicans say that they do not want “faceless bureaucrats” making medical decisions but they have no problem with “private sector” “faceless bureaucrats” daily declining medical coverage and financially ruining good hard working people.
That would be unaccountable bureaucrats. The beauty of the free market is that you can “fire” your insurance company if you don’t like it and get another. The same can’t be said with the federal government. If your insurance company screws up, you can sue them. The same can’t be said with the federal government. And who are all these “financially ruined” people?
And who says that the “private sector” is always right, do we forget failures like Long-Term Capital, WorldCom, Global Crossing, Enron, Tyco, AIG and Lehman Brothers.
Yeah. The federal government putting us trillions of dollars in debt that not even our grandchildren will be able to pay of is SOOOO much better.
Of course the federal government will destroy heathcare by getting involved, Oh but wait, Medicare and Medicaid and our military men and women and the Senate and Congress get the best heathcare in the world, and oh, that’s right, its run by our federal government.
The Congress critters utilize PRIVATE insurance. The government run health care is for the Proles. Remember the kerfuffle over Walter Reid hospital a few years back? Now you want the same for the entire country? Yes or no. Do you ever talk to veterans about the quality of their health care? Did you know that many switched to Medicare Part D because they could get more prescription coverage?
Further, thanks to Medicare, Medicaid, Socialist Stupidity, etc. our burden is $53 TRILLION (that’s $53,000,000,000,000). That’s for all the welfare programs. Remember the “War on Poverty” (with no exit strategy) was supposed to eliminate poverty. Forty years and trillions of dollars later, how’s that working out? Should we throw a few more trillion dollars at it? Maybe that’ll get it right.
I can understand why some may think that the federal government will fail, if you look at the past eight years as a current history, with failures like the financial meltdown and Katrina but the facts is they can and if we support them they will succeed.
You can go back further than that to all the liberal social welfare programs that haven’t worked. They keep bureaucrats employed and keep the minorities under the thumb of democrats, but that’s about it. BTW, can you show me in the US Constitution where the federal government should take charge of health care? By what authority can they do it?
How does shouting down to stop the conversation of the healthcare debate at town hall meetings, endears them to anyone.
Is that a declarative or interrogative statement? How do Representatives, who haven’t read the bill but received talking points, lying to the American people endear them with anyone? People are fed up with liberal bullshit and they’re making it known.
Especially when the organizations that are telling them where to go and what to do and say are Republicans political operatives, not real grassroots.
Organizations like whom? Why is it grassroots when union goons and ACORN tell people where to go and what to do?
How does shouting someone down or chasing them out like a lynch mob advanced the debate, it does not.
How does bending over and grabbing your ankles advance a debate? THAT does not. Further, who’s been chased out “like a lynch mob”?
So I think the American people will see through all of this and know, like the teabagger, the birthers, these lynch mobs types are just the same, people who have to resort to these tactics because they have no leadership to articulate what they real want.
You do know the groups that you’re smearing includes Democrats, moderates and independents, don’t you? What’s more, they don’t need leadership to articulate what they don’t want. They’re making it known and dumbasses like you and Granny Botox are smearing them at every turn. It’s that kinda scoffing and smearing the Proles that gets one defeated come election time.
It’s easy to pickup a bus load of people who hate, and that’s all I been seeing, they hate and can’t debate. Too bad.
It’s not about hate. It’s about being fed up with the steady diet of bullshit from the left and the power grab by Chairman Obama. The people know that this has nothing to do with health care. Add to that the fact that it’s unconstitutional and people have a RIGHT to be mad.
You, my friend, are an arrogant, ignorant SOB and your kind of thinking is EXACTLY what people are getting pissed off about. It’s pretty sad when you have to smear everyone who doesn’t agree with you. How does that endear yourself with Americans?
Posted at the Demonrat Underground under the title Dissent is no longer patriotic:
sorry, but engaging in real discourse isn’t showing up at a rally, town hall, etc and simply screaming at the top of your lungs. The Republicans haven’t offered good alternatives, so their only response is to get people to scream at elected Democrats
Not only that, but it seems that these so called “grass roots” people are being organized to attend these meeting by shill money that can be traced back to health.care compaines which are trying to stop people from getting affordable healthcare.
8 & 9: Once again the laughter can’t stop. What’s the difference between this and when American Citizens didn’t want to support going into a ridiculous war back in ’03? Oh right, we were called unpatriotic and traitors. how friggin’ ridiculous.
” The beauty of the free market is that you can “fire” your insurance company if you don’t like it and get another.”
HAH! What planet do you live on?
How many people can “fire” their insurance company?
And God help you if you have ever had a claim to make on that insurance. Try finding another one.
“The same can’t be said with the federal government.”
Oh, never heard of elections?
Seriously, buddy, what kind of nonsense are you spouting?
“If your insurance company screws up, you can sue them.”
Until the Republicans get their way. Let me clue you in to the rule here. If you, the miserable little peasant, files a lawsuit, it is “frivolous”. By definition.
“The Congress critters utilize PRIVATE insurance. ”
Yeah, exactly like ALL of the proposals before Congress now also do. Even those that have a public option – the great majority will still be covered by PRIVATE insurance.
“Do you ever talk to veterans about the quality of their health care? ”
Clearly you havent. THe VA is an excellent system.
“Further, thanks to Medicare, Medicaid, Socialist Stupidity, etc. our burden is $53 TRILLION ”
THat is absurd number grabbing from your posterior.
And beside the point. The funding levels for Medicare are political questions that have nothing whatsoever to do with the question of the quality of Medicare medical care. Which is very good.
Just try to take it away from seniors and see how far you get.
“Why is it grassroots when union goons…”
I am constantly amazed at the political death wish that you conservatives are manifesting these days.
These “goons” as you call them, and good, hard working Americans – what a previous (and far wiser) generation of conservatives saw as the foundation for their new majority. Yes, they are the “Reagan Democrats”. But you people despise them, mock them, and make yourselves totally deaf to their interests and concerns. WHich is why y’all will stay in the wilderness for another generation at least.
Thank god.
#16
1 “The beauty of the free market is that you can “fire” your insurance company if you don’t like it and get another.”
You will be able to do that under Obama’s plan, and your private insurance will probally be cheaper!
2 “The federal government putting us trillions of dollars in debt ”
Many reports show that a public option would be cheaper than our current system of emergency room only care / high premiums
3Medicare: I know many folks on medicare – especially the people who have condistions like MS and other such problems – they all think its the cat’s pajamas!
Of course, you will listen to Palin and others who lie and pass around insanity of death panels and the like.
If the Obama program will reduce costs, why does the CBO forecast it to increase costs?
Because the CBO does not factor in the reduced costs from prevention, that the White House likes to claim it can achieve. The ability of the Obama program to reduce costs is based in part on convincing Americans to wear seatbelts, eat veggies, avoid needles and more.
Health education has been significant over the past few decades, yet Americans are still fat and diabetic. Why would the Obama administration be any more convincing to these unhealthy (costly) folks to change their behavior?
The Obama plan could offset costs with the increased revenue of taxing health care benefits, which would provide a financial incentive for folks to stay healthy. But that would be a tax on the middle class, instead they have proposed a surtax on the wealthy. Which they shouldn’t need if the plan will reduce costs as they claim.
How many people can “fire” their insurance company?
GPW did, for one.
It’s amazing what can be done with a little intelligence and work, rather than whining and screaming for the government to diaper and feed you like liberals do.
Until the Republicans get their way. Let me clue you in to the rule here. If you, the miserable little peasant, files a lawsuit, it is “frivolous”. By definition.
No, there is a far better definition than that.
40: Percentage of medical malpractice lawsuits that are groundless – meaning there is no evidence that a medical error was committed or that the patient suffered any injury. (Harvard School of Public Health, May 10, 2006)
$70 – 126 billion: amount of healthcare costs per year that would be saved by limiting unreasonable jury awards (Going without Health Insurance, Families USA, March 10, 2003; “Number of Uninsured Americans On the Rise,” Associated Press, March 5, 2003; “Avoiding Health Insurance Crowd- Out,” Journal of Health Economics, March 2000)
But then again, reducing those costs would also remove $40 billion from the pockets of the trial lawyers, a key Obama Party fundraising constituency, so Obama would never support it — and programs his parrots like Tano to come spew the drivel that Tano is spewing.
Clearly you havent. THe VA is an excellent system.
That’s not what you were saying during the Bush administration.
Flip-flopping again, Tano?
With all do respect to Allahpundit, a jackass thing to do is worry about how one’s actions in opposition to the Democrats’ socialized medicine proposals make the GOP look.
The Left will distort whatever their opposition does (as well as out and out lie about it) no matter what — and they won’t stop to worry about how it makes them look. Worrying about what their going to say is a foolish endeavor. (And who gives a crap how the GOP looks anyway?)
If you oppose something, state your opposition. If you want to put the fear of the electorate into a politician, just go ahead and do it.
HAH! What planet do you live on?
How many people can “fire” their insurance company?
All of them. Even those on government controlled insurance can, for now.
Oh, never heard of elections?
Seriously, buddy, what kind of nonsense are you spouting?
Which is why Il Douche wants to appoint those officials rather than leaving it to the ignorant Proles to elect them. Seriously, dipshit. What horses ass do you have your head shoved into?
Yeah, exactly like ALL of the proposals before Congress now also do.
All of them? Can you back up your statement? Maybe if you call me “Nazi” a few times that will make it true.
Even those that have a public option – the great majority will still be covered by PRIVATE insurance.
Until we finally get to the Statist’s Utopia of a single-payer plan that Il Douche envisions.
Clearly you havent. THe VA is an excellent system.
Indeed I have especially working in the medical field. But you wouldn’t deign to lower yourself to even pissing on a “baby killer” if he were on fire.
THat is absurd number grabbing from your posterior.
And beside the point.
Statement of David M. Walker Comptroller of the United States.
http://gao.gov/new.items/d08411t.pdf
Wanna try again?
I don’t know of anyone who’s talking about the quality of Medicare. Although I know a gal over at QnARefugees who says her mother died of cancer because Medicare wouldn’t pay for the tests. What I do know is that Medicare & Medicaid are costing us ass loads of money, are rife with fraud, and causes private insurance costs to be higher because what the government doesn’t pay for gets passed on to the rest of us.
Just try to take it away from seniors and see how far you get.
I know. The liberals have so many people fooled into believing that they have the right to have the government take care of them and they don’t have to do anything for themselves.
These “goons” as you call them, and good, hard working Americans – what a previous (and far wiser) generation of conservatives saw as the foundation for their new majority.
Like I always say, no matter how much you polish a turd, it’s still a turd. These goons are shoving Seasoned Citzens into walls. These goons assaulted a black man, hurled racist remarks and put him in the hospital. These goons will publicly post your address and Socialist Stupidity number. These goons will come to your house and vandalize your property. These goons will call your house and threaten you and your family. These goons will do Il Douche’s bidding and harass whomever he doesn’t like. Liberals bitch about greed, but greed motivates some to join unions and excuse it with flowery terms like “workers rights”. These goons will cripple a city and/or inconvenience thousands or millions of people just so they get their way. These goons drive their industries overseas or out of business with the high costs in protection money to keep them around.
The worst part is that unions only exist to keep the bosses rich, funnel money to liberals so they get kickbacks from people like Chairman Obama and mainly to keep incompetent people employed. I know, I used to work in a union shop. The union employees got the same pay and benfits that everybody else got. The only difference was that it took forever for the company to fire them.
WHich is why y’all will stay in the wilderness for another generation at least.
Thank god.
At the rate Il Douche, Reid, Botox etc. are going, it will be a damn short generation. The people don’t trust you anymore and that’s a fact. The moderates and independents are running like rats on a sinking ship. Even gays are getting sick of their shit. WTF does that tell you? What’s more, people are fed up with the elitist contempt liberals have for them.
I know you liberals can’t believe it, but people are sick and tired of your bullshit and they’re not gonna bend over and bite on a pillow anymore.
The Republicans haven’t offered good alternatives, so their only response is to get people to scream at elected Democrats
That you know of. The liberals won’t acknowledge the alternatives put forth and the State-run Media sure as hell wouldn’t tell you about it.
Not only that, but it seems that these so called “grass roots” people are being organized to attend these meeting by shill money that can be traced back to health.care compaines
NAME THEM! You seem to know who they are since you have personally “traced back to health.care companies. Name the companies. Name the people involved. How much has been paid? How can I get in on that?
What’s the difference between this and when American Citizens didn’t want to support going into a ridiculous war back in ‘03?
Liberals were for it before they were against it. It was a great idea when BJ made it national policy, but they were against it when a Republican did what BJ was too busy frigging an intern to do. Not only that, but the lies Americans were told can be “traced back” to lying sack liberals.
Tano’s mind is made up, don’t confuse him with facts.
gillie’s suffering from talking points that have already been shredded, and is afraid now to try to post links to back him up, as when he does Bizzaro-gillie comes out and posts links that prove him wrong.
Hells, I work for a bloody insurance company, and they offer plans from other carriers to their employees.
“NAME THEM! You seem to know who they are since you have personally “traced back to health.care companies. Name the companies. Name the people involved. How much has been paid?”
Start with Richard Scott. A former hospital CEO – co founder of what became Columbia/HCA. Fired from his post after an FBI investigation found rampant Medicare fraud in the company. Company pleaded guilty to 14 felony counts and paid 1.7 billion in fines.
Scott was also a partner in the Texas Rangers, with George W.
He is now the founder of “Conservatives for Patients’ Rights”, putting $5M of his own money in, and raising 20M more. and hiring CRC communications, of SwiftBoat fame, to run the propaganda.
Conservatives for Patients Rights is the prime organizer behind the tea-party thug events at townhalls.
ThatGayConservative,
I guess it has never occurred to you that with every vulgarity, every scatalogical reference, every childish little name-calling, you decrease your likelihood of convincing anyone of anything, and in fact, increase the likelihood that you become an embarrassment to your own side.
If you think you actually have good arguments, why not simply make them – in a way that other people can actually read without their eyes rolling around constantly? If you realize that you dont have any good arguments, then why bother? What do you think you are accomplishing? Is it just for the venting?
Again, provide links to ‘tea-party thuggery’.
#29
Start with Richard Scott.
So to shore up your pathetic argument, your sad research led you to the pseudo-journalist Rachel Madcow who doesn’t do any research of her own. From the Conservatives for Patient’s Rights website:
Then under the Town Hall meetings link:
As you can see, nothing about providing buses. Nothing about paying people. Not even instructions on what to do when you go to one of the meetings. Not even anything on the blog:
http://www.cprights.org/2009/07/town-hall-alert.php
Long story short, Tano, you’re full of it. Just because that ignorant wretch Robert Gibbs throws names out there (because he saw it on Madcow) doesn’t make it so. Try again. What other bullshit you got?
#30 You know, it would have been faster and easier to say something like “yeah, you’re right.”
I’m always ready to accept your accolades.
ThatGayConservative,
First off, her name is Maddow – you got the spelling wrong.
Secondly, she is not the source of this information, though she may have reported on it as well. Its quite well known who this scummy character is, and his efforts for the teaparty mobs have also been well known. He is out there publicly giving interviews, for goodness sakes.
What makes you think that you can dismiss this simply by pointing to the fact that Rachel Maddow might have said it??? Irrespective of your opinion of her, its seems pretty obvious that statements do not automatically become false merely because she states them.
Most grownups outside of our larger cities have automobiles. It is not necessary to bus people to a rally, nor to pay them, in order to be an effective organizer of an event.
Be clear on this. I dont doubt the sincerity of the teaparty people. THey are sincerely scared out of their minds – because the revolting propaganda of the Glenn Becks and Rush Limbaughs and Rick Scotts has had its effect. Death boards, FEMA concentration camps, all this mindless crap – and yeah, the birther stuff too. Maybe for some of you it is all a game -trying to be as outrageous as you can be, because you have so little of interest and value in your life. But lots of people actually believe this crap, or at least are scared by it.
So no, the organization of these rallies is not a case of busing in mercenaries, warm bodies to play act outrage. It is, rather, an example, on steroids, of the typical right-wing approach – make your base absolutely insanely intoxicated on vile red meat, then point them in the direction of an otherwise civil meeting, and tell them to ‘let their voices (and no one elses) be heard.
#33 – Tano, since you seem to be so clueless, let me let you in on a little secret: TGC deliberately misspelled Rachel Maddow’s last name.
Why? Because she acts like a “mad cow.” Sort of like you in this blog.
You’re welcome.
Regards,
Peter H.
Sorry Tano, but we already have proof of how you and Barack Obama plan to deal with people with serious illnesses.
One patient in Oregon got a letter that made this all too clear, when in the same letter rejecting her request for life-extending chemotherapy, Oregon offered her “physician-aid-in-dying”.
What saved this woman’s life were private for-profit companies and individuals stepping in to help her obtain the medicines she needed. In order to prevent that from happening again, Obama intends to remove all health insurance, nationalize the drug companies, and make it illegal to pay anyone to take care of you other than the Obama Party.
Welfare liberals like yourself who contribute nothing worthwhile to society and who hate those like us who make your laziness obvious want us punished with higher taxes and for you to get more welfare checks. That’s all this is about.
“It is quite well known…” but Tano can’t provide proof.
Just like asking for links on ‘tea party thuggery’.
“Obama intends to remove all health insurance, nationalize the drug companies, and make it illegal to pay anyone to take care of you other than the Obama Party.”
I tend to favor moderation in speech, and to give people the benefit of the doubt, but this goes way over the line.
You are an utterly dishonest liar.
“because the revolting propaganda of the Glenn Becks and Rush Limbaughs and Rick Scotts has had its effect. Death boards, FEMA concentration camps, all this mindless crap – and yeah, the birther stuff too. Maybe for some of you it is all a game -trying to be as outrageous as you can be, because you have so little of interest and value in your life. But lots of people actually believe this crap, or at least are scared by it.”
Yes, such moderate speech…
I tend to favor moderation in speech, and to give people the benefit of the doubt, but this goes way over the line.
Wrong. That is what Obama wants, and he and the Obama Party have made that fact abundantly clear time and again.
Meanwhile, Tano, your lies that “preventative care will save money” have been blown to tiny, tiny bits.
“Although different types of preventive care have different effects on spending, the evidence suggests that for most preventive services, expanded utilization leads to higher, not lower, medical spending overall,” Elmendorf wrote. “That result may seem counterintuitive.
“For example, many observers point to cases in which a simple medical test, if given early enough, can reveal a condition that is treatable at a fraction of the cost of treating that same illness after it has progressed. In such cases, an ounce of prevention improves health and reduces spending — for that individual,” Elmendorf wrote. “But when analyzing the effects of preventive care on total spending for health care, it is important to recognize that doctors do not know beforehand which patients are going to develop costly illnesses. To avert one case of acute illness, it is usually necessary to provide preventive care to many patients, most of whom would not have suffered that illness anyway. … Researchers who have examined the effects of preventive care generally find that the added costs of widespread use of preventive services tend to exceed the savings from averted illness.”
Going over this entire thread, I have noticed something. Time and again, you have made accusations, hurled suppositions, and insulted people, again without providing a single referenceable link.
In contrast, you have been answered with facts, logic, and referenceable links, as I just did above.
That demonstrates who are the adults dealing with facts here, and who is the ad hominem-flinging child.
Your Barack Obama is feeding you swill, which is no surprise; Obama has demonstrated nothing in his career other than a willingness to repeat left-wing dogma and push discredited leftist lies, counting on his skin color to protect him from any sort of responsibility or intellectual questioning.
This time, he has failed.
And remember how Tano blabbered that the Obama Party wasn’t considering single-payer, that no one was talking about it, that there was no bill about it, that there would be no vote on it….
Flat-out lie, as usual.
He also got House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to agree to allow a full House vote on the single-payer reform that more than 85 House Democrats have endorsed.
Congressman Anthony Weiner, D-New York, worked with Waxman to get the deal on single-payer and declared a sort of victory Friday, saying that: “Single-payer is a better plan and now it is on center stage. Americans have a clear choice. Their Member of Congress will have a simpler, less expensive and smarter bill to choose. I am thrilled that the Speaker is giving us that choice.”
Can Barack Obama do anything but lie? Really, does this black thug think his skin color will insulate him from any responsibility for his pathological and constant lying about what his Obama Party and he are doing?
“the added costs of widespread use of preventive services tend to exceed the savings from averted illness.”
Well, lets look at the original paper in the NEJM that Elmendorf references:
“Studies have concluded that preventing illness can in some cases save money but in other cases can add to health care costs.”
Oh, like when?
“For example, screening costs will exceed the savings from avoided treatment in cases in which only a very small fraction of the population would have become ill in the absence of preventive measures.”
Well, isnt that a brilliant insight. If you make no effort whatsoever to target your therapies, then you are going to waste some money.That is not an argumetn against preventative care – it is an argument against irresponsible use of preventative care – one that I would agree with.
“Whether any preventive measure saves money or is a reasonable investment despite adding to costs depends entirely on the particular intervention and the specific population in question.”
Well obviously. We should do the work necessary, in specific cases, to apply preventative, and any other kind of care, when it is needed, and not when it is not needed. Do that, and the system saves money, and doesnt waste any.
Do that, and the system saves money, and doesnt waste any.
Get the government out of an industry it has NO Constitutional business being involved in and we’ll save ass loads of money.
Its quite well known who this scummy character is, and his efforts for the teaparty mobs have also been well known.
Citation Needed
What makes you think that you can dismiss this simply by pointing to the fact that Rachel Maddow might have said it???
Because she irresponsibly reported it as proof. Just like lying sacks like YOU keep repeating it over and over and over, with ZERO evidence, hoping like hell people are stupid enough to swallow it.
It is not necessary to bus people to a rally, nor to pay them, in order to be an effective organizer of an event.
Then advise ACORN to stop.
make your base absolutely insanely intoxicated on vile red meat,
Sorta like when the POTUS stokes the fires of HATRED against capitalism and individual companies?
Or how about when ACORN and the SEIU BUSES in people to harrass private citizens at home?
Or how about when the POTUS attacks a Rush Limbaugh (a private citizen)?
Or how about when Harry Reid abuses his office sending a letter on Senate letterhead demanding Rush (a private citizen) be fired?
Or how about when liberals tell Americans that if they vote for Bush, he’ll reinstate the draft?
Or how about when liberals tell Americans that if they vote for Republicans, more black churches will burn?
Or how about when liberal teachers force kids to watch Algore’s film and teach them that their parents are responsible for drowning polar bears?
Or how about those Noah Wylie commercials pissing and whining about drowning polar bears?
Or how about all the promises 4 years ago that we’d have more and larger hurricanes from then on?
Or how about the liberal’s insistence that Bush let New Orlenians drown?
I can go on providing more instances of liberals lying to play the fear and/or class card, if you want.
The poor lying tantrum-throwing child Tano again is demonstrated to be wrong by facts and sources.
The authors based their conclusions on an analysis of the Tufts–New England Medical Center Cost-Effectiveness Analysis Registry. They concluded, “Although some preventive measures do save money, the vast majority reviewed in the health economics literature do not.”
Wrote Elemendorf, “After reviewing hundreds of previous studies of preventive care, the authors report that slightly fewer than 20 percent of the services that were examined save money, while the rest add to costs.”
And yet Tano and the black thug continue to lie to the American people, and when their lies are exposed, they shriek and scream about how people who confront them with facts are racist and un-American, and then they sicc their violent, racial-epithet throwing goons on them to beat them up.
Pure thuggery from a black thug.
Bruce, can we add Tano to the same list as gillie and torrentpine in terms of what we can call him now?
Regards,
Peter H.
ThatGayConservative: It is very American to want to help our fellow countryman. I believe in my government especially our men and women in our military, firefighters and police. You, not so much. Lets face it the previous administration did nothing (except start two wars of choice that are bankrupting our country with all the “war profiteering” contracts to Halliburton) well you and I will just have to agree to not agree. I did not believe any of the Republican rhetoric before the last election and I do not believe them now. I do not believe that your sentiments are in line with the majority, but I did real enjoy your comments, good stuff.
Oh wow, Paul, waiting until this scrolls on to page true to start your lies.
Good to know you support the Taliban and their policies (since you don’t feel attacking Afganistan was needed).
Also good to know how ignorant of history you are. Under President Bush a lot was done.
Oh and the Haliburton meme? Wow. No wonder you tried to sneak this in. Your talking points are as dated and debunked as Piltdown man.
Livewire: Sticks and Stones……Sticks and Stones…..
I do not believe that your sentiments are in line with the majority, but I did real enjoy your comments, good stuff.