Another lie. Where do you get this stuff?

“I’ve also heard rumblings about sky divers and preventive care, ”

Ahhh rumblings!
Dont you have the BS meter that the good lord gave you? Is it broken or something?

“Once the government has the right to determine your care based on your lifestyle choices, just where do you think the line will be drawn?”

Except that the wont, except in the heated fantasies of the rumblings that you hear.
Do you not understand that the whole motivation of these efforts is to (finally) achieve guaranteed universal care? THe point is not to find ways to deny care. THat is what private health insurance specializes in, and that is precisely what these proposals will stop.

Exactly. And in the case of Kathy Castor’s event in TPA, the people, who were being locked out, were demanding to participate.

I have a question. I hear a lot about how smokers and obese people will be told to shape up their lifestyles or they could be denied care because they didn’t take care of their bodies (ie preventive care.) I’ve also heard rumblings about sky divers and preventive care, but I’ve heard nothing about HIV, which could be prevented the same way smokers and obese people can prevent their problems. And then I wondered. Many studies show that the healthiest people are married and religious. Will these life style choices be promoted under the plan as a form of preventive care? Why not? And who’s to say the law wouldn’t be revised further down the road? Once the government has the right to determine your care based on your lifestyle choices, just where do you think the line will be drawn?

After all, Pete, Nancy Pelosi says so on her website.

Why are the Obamacrats determined to keep it in? It would be an interesting question to have the answer to.

Some things never change.

Regards,
Peter H.

What is this “citation needed”? You can’t figure this out? Go to the CPR website for goodness sakes.
LINK

As you recall, I copied over from their page to one of the threads here. There was NOTHING indicating that he encouraged yelling and screaming. There’s not even anything on the Facebook page about that.

Tano, YOU sir (and I use that loosely) are a lying sonofabitch of the worse kind. You can’t even tell a good lie. How F’d up is that?

And if Bruce or Dan want to strike me down for that, so be it.

I am disappointed that gillie would try such a sloppy bit of ham-handed trickery. gillie also says the following:

In the righty’s minds the people talking about “Obama’s Death Panel” are informed and moving the debate forward!

While the bill doesn’t refer to the bureaucrats who will decide whether a person should receive special health care as “Obama’s Death Panel” you can find the panel in Section 1233 of the bill.

gillie must have some special meaning when he talks about “moving the debate forward.” To my knowledge, there has been no debate. There were no open Congressional hearings televised on CSPAN. The staff of my Congressman is nearly ignorant concerning the details in the bill. They try to reassure me that I have nothing to fear. But when I read sections of the bill to them, they ramble on about amendments, not the final bill, reconciliation, etc. When I ask about openness and transparency, they tell me that Obama and the Democrats have been totally open and transparent.

So, you see, gillie ……. you and your crowd of Obots do not want to “move the debate forward.” Your game is crush the opposition and ram the bill through.

“Moving the debate forward” means that points are made, settled and scored. It is a game of wins and loses just like a set of tennis.

But you and your clan of stonewallers are not the slightest bit interested in debate, let alone moving a debate forward.

The truth is, gillie, your side has the votes to take this whole bill for a touch down. You do not need a single Republican vote in either house. If you are so certain that this secret concoction of snake oil is just the right medicine to cure health care in the United States, why don’t you just pass the stinker? You will get Susan Collins and a few RINOs as it is and you can use them as “bi-partisan” cover.

The fact is, you people don’t have the guts to take the responsibility of your “convictions.”

Thanks for trying to mess up my quote. It just proves that people who do imbecilic things may be trying to operate above their ability level. There was a time when the eugenics crowd would have sterilized people who couldn’t think straight. Maybe sometime soon the government panel will decide that men with AIDS who keep trying to procreate with other men are dead enders and not worth spending limited medical funds on. Who knows? Certainly, the potential is there in this bill.

After that, we must wait for reality to have its revenge. The plan’s costs will, of course, far exceed anything Obama promised – by trillions. Will the American people turn on it then, and for the first time ever, support an entitlement being *repealed*? Hawaii managed to repeal Keiki Care, that’s a hopeful sign. But I’m not counting on it.

Jacob Hacker, the man who “shopped” this plan to Congress (according to NPR), states unambiguously that his plan — and he should know — is expressly designed to displace private insurance. “It’s not a Trojan horse, it’s right there.”

Just because you choose to ignore documentation on rationing care to the elderly as advocated by members and advisors of the current administration, doesn’t make it less true.

But hey, you want to keep demonstrating your ignorance in matters of Health Care, knock yourself out.

As for the racist crap, while O. was campaigning I talked (over the Internet) with people all over the world. I was dumbfounded by the number that said America would NEVER elect a black man to be their leader (in most cases such sentiment came from people living in countries that have NEVER elected a black man to be their leader — for what that’s worth). At any rate, it’s a convenient way to side-step talking about the issue at hand, just cry “racist” and you no longer have to defend your agenda (and you don’t even have to bother proving racism).

It’s the liberal version of Mom’s “Because I said so.”

“I’m going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We’ll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies — they’ll get a seat at the table, they just won’t be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we’ll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process.”

Instead, we got the usual backroom deal cobbled together by special interest groups.

In the righty’s minds the people talking about “Obama’s Death Panel” are informed and moving the debate forward!
God. No wonder you are so far in the minority….
I can’t wait for 2010!

On the details of the plan, respondents remained supportive of many of the rough outlines of the health-reform effort as originally described by President Obama. Sixty-three percent said they would support providing health-care coverage for all Americans, even if the government had to subsidize those who could not afford it. Fifty-six percent said they supported a “public health insurance option” to compete with private plans. Fifty-seven percent support raising taxes on those with annual incomes over $280,000 to pay for the plan. Eighty percent said they would support a bill that required insurance companies to offer coverage to anyone who applies, even those with pre-existing medical conditions. By contrast, a slight plurality of 48% opposed requiring all but the smallest businesses to provide health care, and 56% of Americans opposed taxing employer-provided health care to pay for the cost of covering the nation’s uninsured.

Obviously, the people polled are willing to take more “free’ health care. You will also note that TIME projects their poll to speak for all Americans.

So, who did TIME poll to get these “facts”?

The poll, which was conducted by Abt SRBI, surveyed 1,002 American adults on July 27 and 28. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3%. Of the polling sample, 23% identified as Republican, 34% identified as Democrat and 32% identified as political independents. Eighty-nine percent of respondents said they were currently covered by some kind of health insurance, and of that group 86% said they were “very” or “somewhat” satisfied with their plan. Only 33% of respondents said they were “very” or “somewhat” worried about losing their coverage in the next year.

Even polls can be quoted out of context. The people at the tea parties and those speaking out at the rapidly disappearing town hall meetings are more informed and more motivated that the average “Joe” a polling company reaches by phone. I often ask groups to give a show of hands of all those who have ever been contacted for a political poll. Rarely is there anyone who says he has. You would think with all the polling going on by the news media that eventually you would know someone who has been polled.

Just the thing to convince them that he and the Dems in Congress are-they act just like Castro. No doubt they are wondering how long before Pelosi demands opposing voices be jailed for making their dissent known.

Screw you pelosi, you don’t scare us. You should be in a rubber room