The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 27% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -14. These figures mark the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President. The previous low of -12 was reached on July 30 (see trends).
Prior to today, the number who Strongly Approved of the President’s performance had never fallen below 29%. Some of the decline has come from within the President’s own party. Just 49% of Democrats offer such a positive assessment of the President at this time.
At the other end of the spectrum, today’s total for Strongly Disapprove matches the highest level yet recorded. The 41% mark was reached just once before and that came one week ago today. Seventy percent (70%) of Republicans now Strongly Disapprove along with 49% of those not affiliated with either major party.
I have seen this coming since Obama’s election. When your entire presidency is built on an ultra-thin resume, hidden loyalties and agendas and mostly on empty rhetoric — well, it was bound to collapse.
Thanks Obama voters, thanks a lot. At least most of you are starting to see you were punk’d.
And thanks to you, President Obama — you did in 8 months what the previous 220 years of US Presidents didn’t do in combination. Create the largest US debt that will bankrupt future generations. Now go enjoy Martha’s Vineyard with Queen Michelle. We’ll enjoy our cake.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
Other excellent news: Senate Majority Crypt-Keeper Harry Reid is up for re-election in 2010 and a poll of Nevada voters shows him being soundly beaten in a general election by two possible Republican challengers.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/54286087.html
I also like the fact that the article describes Reid as “the most accomplished politician in state history, in terms of job status.” It’s consistent with what we already know about liberals–“accomplishment” is measured only in terms of winning elections, not by the RESULTS of the legislation or policies they support.
Maybe… BUT … But the thing is, President Dum-Dum could be down 40 points and it won’t matter unless the Republicans can present themselves as a viable alternative.
And people aren’t prepared to believe they will be any different. During six years of a Republican president and a Republican Congress, government didn’t shrink, it expanded vastly. We got a massive expansion of the education bureaucracy and a costly new health care entitlement, but there was no tort reform. We couldn’t get ANWR or other domestic reserves open to drilling. We didn’t secure the borders. We didn’t get a flat tax, or even a slightly flatter tax. Thanks to Landslide McCain and the Gang of Seven, we couldn’t even put conservative judges on the bench.
Obama sucks, but what’s the alternative?
#1: I chuckled when a read the “in terms of job status” phrase. I don’t think he’s accomplished much else other than lining his pockets with the help of his job status. Ditto for Pelosi. Why do such mediocrities (and there are GOP examples) seem to wind up in these spots?
I’m surprised Obama’s poll numbers are as high as they are since he’s not accomplished much other than the increasing polarization of the country (Rule #12, isn’t it?).
Overall, the Dear Leader’s numbers on Strongly Disapprove have shot up from 14% to 41% in six months, a performance matched only by Bill Clinton in 1993… and we still see his cultists going, “What’s so divisive about him? All is rainbows and unicorns with the glorious Leader, except of course you raaaayyysists.”
I’m unsurprised.
Financial collapse (you ain’t seen nothin yet)… followed perhaps by an ‘outsider’ libertarian-conservative Republican, one who knows how to win by shredding the establishment.
She might even have nice tits. (Selling point for our lesbo sisters)
Lady Sarah’s exit from the political establishment looks like a smarter move all the time. She won on the ‘Death Panels.’ Now, she’s attacking his energy policy; the one that only works if the laws of Thermodynamics are repealed.
Tardo responds to the latest Obama poll numbers.
V, that’s good. I like it when a video spawns tribute vidoes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO30g3s-FmE&NR=1
But I think T. will go with minimization and predictions of a rosy, Rainbow future. (Isn’t anger the second of grieving? Denial is the first?)
V the K is right. With a very few exceptions, no one in the political establishment is looking very good. Subversive and revolutionary is where it’s at.
Hilarious post Bruce.
First you trumpet a Rasmussen poll, as if that had any credibility whatsoever. Lets see, if we check out RealClearPolitics – another GOP site, btw, where they have a compilation of polls, what do we see? Obama net +11.0. LINK
Thats an average that includes Rasmussen. Without Ras, the average would be +14.5. In fact, lets just meditate on the spreads in the various polls – +16, +11, +17, +14 – and Ras, -3.
Its not a fluke – its been that way every single day for years (with the only caveat being that before Jan. 20, Ras was the gross outlier on the high side, rather than on the low side).
But its not only that you are using Ras – you use their extra special “Presidential Approval Index” TM – a wholly phony index concocted just for the Obama administration. Suddenly, instead of having to report such big numbers like 55, or 65 percent approval, or such relatively large numbers as +30 or +15 for net approval, Ras can report really small numbers – like the +8, or +10 that this index showed when Obama was in the mid sixties (with a net approval of +30). In fact this index dipped into negative territory when Obama’s overall rating among all other polling firms was above 60, with net approval near 30.
Just think about it -a presidential approval above 60, net around 30, and Ras finds a way to trumpet to the world a “presidential approval index below zero!
You guys, with your construction of alternate realities, are absolutely hilarious. Or it would be if it werent for the sad fact that y’all vote.
Right on cue! 🙂
(And P.S., I know it is just too perfectly constructed, but it wasn’t me. I am not secretly Tano.)
Rasmussen isn’t “discredited,” it’s fluffers like Tardo who have been discredited.
Rasmussen tracks likely voters, right? And avoids over-sampling Democrats.
The thing is, if Obama had governed like the moderate he pretended to be on the campaign trail… had cut government spending, made a few necessary reforms to health care instead of a massive takeover, didn’t go out and hug dictators like Chavez and Ahmadinejihad … his approval numbers would still be in the sixties.
“Rasmussen tracks likely voters, right?”
No reputable polling firm tracks likely voters more than a couple months away from an election. It is rather meaningless and impossible to guess – as well as being besides the point – this is supposedly a poll of approval, not whether you intend to vote for the person. But yes, Ras does it anyway. What does it mean to “Track likely voters”? Since there is no imminent election, there is no question – do you intend to vote? He just makes a judgement based on demographics. It means you fudge your results by not counting responses from people that you guess are likely not to turn out in an election.
In other words, a totally subjective fudging of the data.
“…had cut government spending,”
If he had cut gov’t spending, we would now be in a depression.
“.. made a few necessary reforms to health care instead of a massive takeover”
There is no “takeover”.
“, didn’t go out and hug dictators like Chavez and Ahmadinejihad”
??? Please, lets see the pictures.
You do realize that it was Bush who started the opening to Iran, yes?
And what has Hugo got from this administration?
Fine, Tano. Forget the numbers. You’re a likely voter (unfortunately). I’m interested in hearing how you can still support Obama and specifically believe his representations about his health care plan in light two things I’ve brought up earlier in comments on this blog: (1) Obama de-funding the DC school vouchers program; and (2) Obama’s Department of Energy pledging $2 billion to Brazil’s state-owned oil company for offshore drilling (in which George Soros has a stake worth $811 million). I would be delighted to read your rationalizations on how anyone who values character and honesty in our leaders can possibly continue to support Obama and believe what he says about the items on his legislative agenda in light of the two items mentioned above.
Fixed it for ya, Tano.
I know you’re not open to facts, but I will write the following as a reminder to others. The Depression didn’t happen overnight. It took many years to build, and even a few investment bubbles. There was much “hope” and “change” even as the economy hit the first of many recessions (in the Depression). Starting with Hoover: Contrary to myth, he didn’t ‘do nothing’, rather, he greatly increased spending, and taxes, and government direction of the economy. Just like Tano’s Dear Leader. And then Roosevelt came in, and prolonged the Depression for 9 years more (by doing more of what Hoover had done). The Depression wasn’t an accident. It was the foreseeable and direct result of years of government over-spending, over-taxing, over-regulating and over-directing the economy.
Maybe this time, we’ll wake up in time and it won’t take 13 years and a major war to pull out of it. Maybe. We’re not off to a great start, and neither is Tano’s Dear Leader. The US Dollar is ready to dive off a cliff, in the next 6-12 months; that will lead to the next wave of the recession/depression process, although this time it will be an inflationary one, combining in effect the 1930s with the 1970s.
Could you elaborate a bit, Sean? I am not quite sure why I am supposed to be outraged by these events, nor what their relevance to the health care debate, or, for that matter to Obama’s integrity.
ILoveCapitalism,
What a wheelbarrow full of hooey. But hey, I’ll give ya this. You put your rep on the line. I’ll be content to sit back and see how events make a fool of you.
Oh, come on. Rasmussen, to name one. I believe there are others.
The exact same thing it means 2 months before an election: you track people whose emotional intensity, demographics, and/or actual history of voting make it highly likely that they will continue to vote.
Duh!
Fixed it for ya again, Tano.
So, going back to #8 – #10 – Does anybody not believe me now? That denial is truly the first stage of grieving.
ILC,
So how do you think that Ras measures “emotional intensity”, one’s history of voting, and/or committment to voting, using his robocall methods? There is no question about your voting history, or any attempt to measure emotional intensity.
In other words, as usual, you do not know what you are talking about. These questions, along with the obvious one – do you intend to vote – are asked (by real poll takers, not machines) in the weeks and couple of months before an election.
Otherwise, just as I said, it is nothing but demographics. Ras thinks that young people are less likely to vote, so he discounts X percent of responses from young people. Convenient that…
And once again, what is the relevance of “likely voters” in the first place if the question is whether the public approves of the job he is doing?
I reject your premise that you would give, or have given, a knowledgeable, trustworthy and accurate description of his real methods.
(in tracking likely voters) (Robocalls may be used on some things but again, I reject the premise that you would be on top of his real game and presenting it accurately)
(Yawn… time to go)
yes, ILC, as I said,,,,alternate realities. All you need do is reject evidence, and then you are safe. Good luck with your life, bud.
??? Please, lets see the pictures.
Obama smiling warmly with his arm around the shoulder of his BFF, Hugo Chavez.
Obama goes out for ice cream while his BFF Ahmadinejad murders people in the streets of Teheran.
There is no “takeover”.
Right, just like there was no “takeover” of General Motors and Chrysler. There *is* no takeover now, but there will be if ObamaCare passes. Only you and the other fluffers who strap on their kneepads for the president deny that every bill on the table envisions a massive degree of regulation over health care… i.e. a takeover.
I love that Obamas most ardent supporters are in total denial.
Rasmussen counts “likely voters”, why not…quite frankly the others don’t matter or am I missing something? It’s the people who vote who determine the direction of policies and action.
If the rest of the Obamaphiles think everything is going swimmingly well, it will make it easier to rout them in 14 short months. And by the way, it is obvious Obamateleprompter is in real trouble by the way the state run media is fumbling trying to advise him and help him dig out of these holes. They are frantic to find a way to help him. Any other President taking time off to spend at a mansion would be pummelled. But Obama needs some time to re group and re think his strategies and tactics. The nation dislikes the “stimulus, pork bill, the auto bailouts, even the cash for clunkers program is hated by a majority of Americans. Some one want to tell me what Obama has done right since taking office? 1. nuke a couple pirates….. #2 maintain the Bush Cheney anti terror policies. And not close Club Gitmo. I can’t come up with a #3….
As much as Tano wants to rip on Rasmussen, look again at the green red graph. The Rasmussen polling that Tano is degrading had Obamatelepromptrer doing quite well. All the way up till early Juy. At the same time the networks and others saw the administration taking on water because of the record setting unemployment, pork barrel spending stimulus failure, the auto bailout, and the unpopular cash for clunkers. The public are starting to view these people as incompetent boobs. Obamas broken promises have caught up with him in record time. The same polling that had Obamas STRONGLY DISAPPROVE ratings far below his strongly approve back in April, now have completely flipped. But the Obama toadies argue it’s the polling matrix. Dream on. Here I thought regular joes screaming at town hall meetings was a sign of displeasure at the administration. hehe
Oh, so now it is ‘regulation’ that equals “a takeover”. Rather than, y’know, an actual takeover. OK.
Funny thing though, is that the actual regulation that will most affect the health insurance industry is the regulation that has very broad support – including from most Republicans – like preventing insurance companies from discriminating against those with preexisting conditions.
“Here I thought regular joes screaming at town hall meetings was a sign of displeasure at the administration”
Sure, its just a question of how many.
Add up all the screamers at all the town hall meetings, and what do you have? 0.001% of the population?
I voted for Hillary. I am still amazed at the vitriol she had to face from her own party. Everything she said about Obama is true and now the Democrats have lost the chance to get some important parts of their agenda passed–all because they wanted the Magic Negro, the cool black dude. Whether or not you agree with Hillary, at least you KNOW there would have been no Blue Dog dissent under her watch.
I then voted for McCain (well, Palin, really). I’d rather have someone in the White House with a backbone, even if I disagree with her. I mean him. But I hope her (either one) someday.
I liked all the white elites clapping and welcoming the Obamas to the mansion on Marthas Vineyard. Have a nice vacation sir. We’ll try to do without all your help for the next couple weeks. hehe
Tardo is wrong again, of course (to be expected from a fluffer who claims Democrats are paragons of honesty, virtue, and fiscal responsibility). Republicans want the insurance marketplace to be competitive, i.e. by allowing small employers to join insurance pools and allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines.
What the bills in the House and the Senate envision is forcing insurance companies to offer a limited menu of policies and creating a taxpayer-subsidized “public option” to pave the way for an eventual single-payer system (as Barney Frank, Jacob Hacker, and Barack Obama admit is the goal.)
But I guess only a nutcase would describe bureaucratic micromanagement of the health insurance industry as a government takeover.
But aside from push-polling in Democrat-overweighted samples by the New York Times and DailyKos (who are becoming increasingly indistinguishable) ObamaCare is opposed by a majority of Americans. But a simple bill that limited itself to portability and addressing the not-as-simple-as-the-fluffers-make-it-out-to-be issue of pre-existing conditions would pass easily.
“But a simple bill that limited itself to portability and addressing the …issue of pre-existing conditions would pass easily.”
Hah!
So, you want the government to tell the insurance companies who to cover and for how long. Simple bill like that. And maybe free ice cream for everyone too.
Insurance companies see preexisting conditions as big potential liabilities. Thats why they run away from them. So how you gonna pass a bill that forces them to cover these people?
Obama has offered them a deal – one that they seem willing to take up. You agree to cover preexisting conditions, and continue coverage for those who switch jobs, in exchange for an individual mandate – everyone must buy in.
Whatever your opinion of the mandate, you cant deny that it is a pragmatic approach to solving a problem in a way that businesses can live with. Thats why some of them support Obamacare.
But you just want to force them to cover people, with no compensation for the liabilites that they will be taking on?
Insurance companies see preexisting conditions as big potential liabilities.
No shit, Sherlock. Hypothetical situation. My car is uninsured. I’ve just rolled it. Can I buy auto insurance to repair the damage? No, because I was supposed to get insurance *before* I wrecked it.
So, you want the government to tell the insurance companies who to cover and for how long.
I said no such thing, Tardo. Much as I do not trust the crooks and idiots of the Obama Admin and the Demonrat Congress to produce a bill that rationally address portability and pre-existing conditions, I acknowledge that a bill that simply addressed those concerns without adding a trillion or two to the Federal deficit or enacting a whole bunch of needless regulation on other issues would pick up enough moderates to pass both Houses easily.
#20: “Could you elaborate a bit, Sean? I am not quite sure why I am supposed to be outraged by these events, nor what their relevance to the health care debate, or, for that matter to Obama’s integrity.”
Tano, you’ve rejected the polling numbers that show support for Obama declining. So, I’m asking you why you still support him–specifically, why do you defend his healthcare plan based solely on what Obama SAYS the plan will do, when there are numerous examples to prove that he is both a liar and a hypocrite. Two examples that I believe prove Obama to be unworthy of any voter’s trust are listed below. The question is, do you value character, integrity, and honesty in our leaders. If you still support Obama in light of the examples below, then you DO NOT.
(copied from a previous comment):
Obama de-funding the wildly successful DC school vouchers program while somehow finding trillions to spend on other worthless government programs. This, along with his statement that “we can’t turn our backs on the public schools” and then promptly enrolling his daughters in one of the priciest and most exclusive private schools in the nation, proves beyond any pathetic spin he has to offer that he is a despicable elitist and a shameless hypocrite. While he and Michelle were getting their kids ready to start school at an institution with tuition comparable to that of Ivy League Universities, the parents of some of the minority students in the voucher program were making videos of themselves BEGGING Obama not to send their children back to the DC public schools. Only then did he relent and allow funding to continue until the students presently in the program could graduate so that their parents would shut up and stop embarrassing him. As for the DC children who would have benefitted from the program, well, they are stuck with the hellish nightmare of the DC public schools.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/11/martin.vouchers/index.html
Obama pledging $2 billion of taxpayer funds to support offshore oil exploration by Brazil’s state-owned oil company (in which George Soros has a stake worth $811 million). Obama did this, despite the fact that he: (1) supports the moratorium on drilling offshore on US coastlines; (2) is opposed to drilling in ANWR; (3) condemns US oil companies for “obscene profits”; (4) preaches non-stop about the virtue of developing renewable sources of energy to replace our dependence on fossil fuels; (5) has cap-and-trade at the top of his list of agenda items which will punish businesses into extinction for their carbon emissions; (6) has unequivocally identified climate change as a serious threat to human survival (and claims to agree that man-made carbon emissions are to blame); (7) incessantly whined about the destructive influence of corporate money in Washington and self-righteously declared his rejection of any such influence during the campaign; and (8) during the campaign promised $2 billion in loan guarantees to an American company developing renewable energy and later reneged (rendering the $1.5 billion already spent by the company on the project a waste).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a.V5sgGzdsQY
Unfortunately, Sean, Tardo has as much interest in hard facts as Pat Robertson has in the fossil record.
I love how the brilliant conservatives on this site demolish liberal Democrats. I know most of them don’t come around anymore out of embarassment. Keep it up!
“I acknowledge that a bill that simply addressed those concerns without adding a trillion or two to the Federal deficit or enacting a whole bunch of needless regulation on other issues would pick up enough moderates to pass both Houses easily.’
Thats not an “acknowledgement”. Its an assertion. And I challange it. Because, as I tried to explain above, and which you seemed not to comprehend because you were probably too busy dredging up insults to hurl at me, a bill that curbed these practices would be a huge financial hit to the insurance industry. It would be, despite your denials, an effort by the government to tell the companies who to cover and when, despite the fact that they might then incur huge losses. Who would vote for that?
Obama came up with a grand bargain that addresses the concerns (portability, preexisting conditions) in a way that does not threaten to put the private insurance industry out of business. A deal that they agree to.
How do YOU propose to address these concerns?
86% if Americans are happy with their health insurance coverage. The remaining 14% are equally divided between those that choose not to buy coverage and illegal aliens.
That’s the problem for the leftists. They are trying to lower coverage for the 86% to pay for coverage for the outlying 14%. It’s a non starter.
When I think back to when the Obama experiment STARTED to collapse I think it was when Obama’s teleprompter crashed to the floor. Do you remember that? Since that day, people have started to concentrate and try to understand the failures of his early months.
Rather than restating my plan for the umpteenth time, I’ll just say that the plan put forward by the Whole Foods guy, while not perfect in my view, is far better than anything the Obamacrats have put on the table.
Their plan to require both an individual mandate and highly regulated list of requirements is attractive to insurance companies for the same reason a government mandate that everyone must own a car and the car must be a fully loaded luxury model would be attractive to car-makers. But where individual mandates + government intervention has been tried … Massachusetts … it is failing miserably, people hate it, and it’s costing (surprise surprise) far more than projected.
The Obamacrats fail to address the heart of the problem; supply and demand. The way to bring costs down is to increase the supply of doctors, nurses, hospitals, and clinics. The Obamacrats plan… disastrously, IMHO … will result in an even more restricted supply of health care. But tort reform, more competition, tax incentives, more tort reform, and even (yes, done right I would support this) government incentives for people to enter the medical field would increase the supply of health care and thereby lower cost and improve quality.
A case in point. Until the 1980’s, India had only a few state-approved engineering schools. Then, a reform law allowed private engineering universities to open. Coupled with post-socialist market liberalization, this led to the technology boom that powers the Indian economy.
Capitalism works every time it’s tried.
Oh, BTW, Obama seems to be setting the stage for losing the wars Bush was winning.
“Tano, you’ve rejected the polling numbers that show support for Obama declining”
First off, that is simply not true. I even linked to a summary of polls that shows Obama approval at 52, whereas it had been in the mid sixties for most of the spring. I just argued that the Rasmussen poll is a highly biased outlier, which it is.
“Obama de-funding the wildly successful DC school vouchers program”
Hate to break this to you, but the DC voucher program was never a serious program for educational reform. It was a phony gimmick put on by the GOP in order to gin up artificial support for vouchers. It entails giving free money to poor people in the District – yeah, those parents who got the money certainly appreciated it – in other words, a form of welfare. There was no ongoing funding source, no real model for how such a giveaway could work nationwide, and certainly no intent by the GOP to just give away money like that anywhere else, except in this potemkin program.
Real voucher programs simply cannot work in the real world, because the money for the voucher needs to come from somewhere – and it comes out of the public school budget – not as a free gift from Congress. When you take a child out of public school, the marginal cost reduction to the school system is trivial. They still need the same number of buildings, of teachers, of staff, the same amount of money to heat the buildings, paint the walls, change the lightbulbs etc. One less child saves the school almost nothing. But under a voucher program, the system loses thousands of dollars if that child uses a voucher.
So real voucher programs are nothing but a cover for attacking and destroying the system of public education. And the DC voucher plan was a gimmick in which the voucher money was not being taken out of the school system – as it certainly would be in a real program – but was a special appropriation from Congress.
“while somehow finding trillions to spend on other worthless government programs.”
This makes it clear. You disagree with his spending priorities. That does not make him a bad person, or someone with bad character.
“This, along with his statement that “we can’t turn our backs on the public schools” and then promptly enrolling his daughters in one of the priciest and most exclusive private schools in the nation, ”
Thats embarrassingly absurd. First off, the president’s children need extraordinary amounts of security. Maybe you are not aware of this, but its a dangerous world full of loonies. I’m sure some terrorists would love to be able to kidnap the presidents children. Any president. The security necessary would totally swamp and disrupt any local neighborhood school. And you cant be so damn stupid as not to understand that.
Anyway, even if you leave that aside, where do you get this extremely idiotic idea that if a politician is committed to excellent public schools, he is somehow obliged to send his kids to a public school? Do you think everyone who sends their kid to private school wishes the worst for public schools? Maybe you just fail to realize that Obama is not some crazed radical – he is a normal human being who wants the best for his kids, and also wants the public schools to be as good as they can be.
THe overwhelming majority of kids are always going to be going to public schools. Unlike Republicans who are constantly trying to demonize and undermine these schools with things like the voucher programs, Obama and the Dems want to make them better.
And the DC schools are getting much better, thanks to the efforts of Ms. Rhee and the new mayor.
The fluffers in the MSM may not have been paying attention when President Dum-Dum said victory was not our goal in Afghanistan, but the Taliban was.
Obama and the Dems want to make them better.
No, they don’t. They want to shovel taxpayer money at the teacher’s unions, who then turn around and give it to the DNC either through direct donations or through GOTV drives.
Voucher programs work wherever they’re tried. They are very popular, and they help kids get better educations. But Democrats really don’t care about kids being well-educated. They are on the side of teacher’s unions and oppose any effective reforms. They make it impossible to reward good teachers or fire bad ones, and we’re left with situations like New York City paying 700 teachers to do nothing.
But since Tardo is an obedient Democrat fluffer, he can do nothing but praise public education and encourage more tax dollar to be heaped upon it. The USA has the highest per pupil spending and the worst test scores in the industrialized world.
As for Brazilian oil exploration – funny but even FoxNews felt compelled to set the record straight, in slapping down Sarah Palin for her demagougery on the issue.
“In fact, the Export-Import bank receives no appropriations from Congress and thus does not rely on American taxpayer dollars and is also not “sending” $2 billion to the Brazilian company but offering lines of credit to U.S. firms so they can compete to land contracts as part of Petrobras’ drilling operations.
The $2 billion “preliminary commitment” by the Export-Import Bank to Petrobras is expected to grow, as the U.S. competes on behalf of American exporters of goods and services against those from China. Beijing has extended a commitment of $10 billion –”
So, lets see. Obama is on board with the ExIm bank LENDING 2 billion so that American companies can compete with the Chinese. And you think this is a bad thing. Or somehow makes Obama a hypocrite????
Because he recognizes global warming is real??? So anyone who recognizes this fact must conform to the cartoon characterization of the right as being someone who demands all fossil fuels burning stop immediately?
Because he supports state and local groups and governments that dont want drilling off their shore? Like Jeb Bush is Florida?
Is opposed to drilling in ANWR? Are you claiming that the environmental conditions off the Brazilian coast are exactly the same as off the North Shore? Or that environmentalists are not to be allowed to make distinctions between places where drilling is appropriate or not? Its either drill everywhere or nowhere?
That because he against “obscene profits” he must be against all profits??
This is just too tiring. Your problem is that you seem to live and think in a world of snarky soundbites, and you dont seem to actually think through the import of what you are saying.
“Voucher programs work wherever they’re tried. ”
This isnt rocket science, y’know. Private schools are more expensive than public schools. Are you on board with the massive tax increases that would be necessary to give everyone a voucher to go to private school?
Wow. The Obama cultists truly are in denial. Amazing, yet sad, to behold.
What is amazing is that one is considered a “cultist’ around here, merely for supporting the president, as more than half the American people do.
May I suggest that you guys get out a bit more, and stop getting so stinking drunk on all the rightwing propaganda? Out there, there is a normal healthy country, filled with people who, for the most part, admire and respect the president and think he is doing quite well, given the cards he has been dealt.
You guys are the ones who come off as obsessed, ranting extremists.
Hey, here is an idea. Why not dedicate one day to nothing but posts and comments about “what I admire and respect about Obama”. Just to prove that you can do it.
Whatever your opinion of the mandate, you cant deny that it is a pragmatic approach to solving a problem in a way that businesses can live with.
What’s “pragmatic” about millions losing their coverage?
Because he supports state and local groups and governments that dont want drilling off their shore? Like Jeb Bush is Florida?
1. Jeb Bush is no longer governor.
B. He did favor drilling off of Florida.
Are you on board with the massive tax increases that would be necessary to give everyone a voucher to go to private school?
I’m on board with a President that actually gives a rat’s ass about education that would do what is necessary to make public schools just as good. We know shoveling money at the unions doesn’t do any good, but liberals do it anyway so they can get their kickbacks.
SC has Senator Jim DeMint to consider. Mitt Romney. Rudy Guiliani can all be considered viable.
Just remember that the Prof from Harvard has a house on the vineyard, so Mr O can share some beers.
TGC,
Then I suggest (here is a novel concept) that you actually educate yourself about what Sec Duncan is doing, rather than relying simply on tired rightwing hack phrases.
That is if you have any interest in speaking with intellegence about the real world, rather than just ranting.
Hmmm #55 I don’t recall a lot of “what I like and respect about Bush Cheney” days on MOVEON.org. Again the liberals want their dbl standards. Man up libs. You want to govern, man up. Get some onions. And while your at it, do something, anything right. Maybe then you ‘d get a few compliments. This administration never got the criticism it deserved when appointing boobs, and crooks early on. Honeymoon and all that. Now when it’s time for some non honeymoon accountablility you liberals whine like little babies. Typical weak liberals.
Checking in briefly.
Spoken like a true fascist. It doesn’t matter to Tano that free markets require the freedom of buyer and seller alike, or else they aren’t free at all and don’t work; that lives are being looted; that dreams and opportunities are being destroyed as the productive are forced-by-law to spend ever greater sums for the resentful and the lazy (many of the latter, bureaucrats). All that matters is that Tano was able to FORCE people to his will and force government into people’s lives and pretend to himself that he kept some fig leaf of respect for freedom and humanity in doing it – though of course, he didn’t.
Mandates are the opposite of capitalism, just as much as are bailouts. They are both forms of subsidy, which harm industries, harm free markets and harm human lives. I reject them utterly.
Mandates and bailouts are the solutions offered by fascists. Fascism is that form of socialism (or collectivism or leftism) which, instead of confiscating people’s property and freedom outright (as communism would do), burdens them endlessly with mandates, so that freedom and private property become horrible fictions.
By the way, anyone following the killings and mayhem in Chicago Ill? CNN is doing documentaries of the carnage. Former home state and city of our young President. Democrat enclave of Chicago is being devistated by killings. 300 murders to date. Gang violence undetered. Many feel one of the solutions to the killings is to get to the children in the schools of Chicago to steer them away from gangs and violence. But as the liberals have pointed out, the former head of the Chicago schools was PROMOTED and sent to Wash DC by our young President. I assume to do for the rest of the country what he has done for Chicago. God help us. Another mistake by the boobala in chief.
The $10 Billion loan to Brazil wouldn’t be such a potent issue if Obama and the Obamacrats weren’t so hell-bent on stopping oil production in the USA. How is it Brazilian oil doesn’t cause Global Warming, but American oil does? How is it Brazilian offshore drilling is no threat to the environment, but American drilling is?
It’s the subsidizing-foreign-jobs-while-strangling-American-industry-and-keeping-us-dependent-on-imported-oil stupid.
http://redeye.chicagotribune.com/red-chicagomurders-map,0,2276.story
Tracking the Democrat Chicago murders. Maybe since Obama is having so much trouble making a dent on our national problems, he could focus on saving lives in his home town. Start there Mr President. After taking some vacation time, just go to Democrat Chicago and try to save it.
Private schools are more expensive than public schools.
False. Private schools and charter schools achieve better results on lower per-pupil spending than public schools. Not every private school is Sidwell Friends… the choice of Democrat elite politicians who deny school choice to their unfortunate constituents.
All I can add is that Tano talking about pre-existing and portablilty show’s he’s as ignorant of HIPPA as gillie
Obamacare explained with maximum gayness.
V, that’s funnier and more light-hearted than what I said.
The Obama cultists truly are in denial. Amazing, yet sad, to behold.
I think Tardo is a high priest in the cult of Obama. (And spends plenty of time on his knees in service to his god.) His ability to respond to a videotape of Obama saying he wants a single-payer system and then claiming Obama doesn’t want a single payer system is … pretty much the epic denial of reality. Also his claim that global temperatures are increasing when they’ve been flat or declining for the last ten years. Also his obliviousness to Obama’s $9 Trillion in deficit spending because “other presidents had deficits too!”
There are crackwhores with more integrity than Tardo.
Tano, thanks for answering my questions. I believe we all know exactly what your position is on pretty much everything. Anything that might make government look more incompetent than we already know it is must be eradicated. And as for the Brazilian oil venture, two things: (1) the idea that it might be motivated by a desire to “compete” with China is ridiculous in light of the cap and trade bill; and (2) the fact that your answer ignores the fact that Soros has a stake in the venture worth almost a billion dollars speaks volumes.
re. the individual mandate:
“All that matters is that Tano was able to FORCE people to his will and force government into people’s lives ”
Tano? Tano have no political power. You must be talking about Mitt.
Ya know, the front runner for the GOP nomination in 2012.
“Mandates and bailouts are the solutions offered by fascists.”
And bailouts!, You mean Bush?
So you mean those lefties were correct? The GOP is a fascist party?
I am speaking, of course, of the party and/or philosophy you hold along with other people, which supplies you (as all parties do, and most ideologies) with part of your sense of identity and emotional satisfaction.
As an Independent (and former longtime Democrat), I am quite happy to admit that his program was a betrayal of free-market principles and morally wrong, just like some of Bush’s programs were.
Yup. As an Independent (and former longtime Democrat), I am quite happy to admit that his bailouts were a betrayal of free-market principles and morally wrong. Of course Tano, your Dear Leader is the President we have now. And instead of reversing Bush’s bailouts, as he ought to have done, he saw them and tripled them!
In part. Let me put it this way. With the GOP, government force is the solution 70% of the time. With the Democrats, government force is the solution 100% of the time. The Democrats are the greater fascists. Just like they are the greater deficit spenders by 4x to 18x, and so forth.
Another way to say it is: Republicans bring government force into the economy because they’re not thinking clearly. While Democrats do it because they enjoy it.
Wow. Someone is having a little trouble in the reading department.
“The $10 Billion loan to Brazil wouldn’t be such a potent issue”
Its 2 billion, not 10. And its a loan in the form of a line of credit to US firms.
“.. if Obama and the Obamacrats weren’t so hell-bent on stopping oil production in the USA.”
No one is making any effort to stop oil production in the US. DO you have the slightest idea of what you are talking about?
“How is it Brazilian oil doesn’t cause Global Warming, but American oil does?
They both do. Environmentalists are trying to reduce the relative amounts of energy from fossil fuels. No one, outside of rightwing comic books, thinks that fossil fuel burning should be stopped. It is going to be gradually supplanted over decades by cleaner alternatives – leaving lots of need for supply in the interim.
God, this so basic…do you really believe the crap you spout?
“How is it Brazilian offshore drilling is no threat to the environment, but American drilling is?”
Different places on earth have different characteristics, in terms of the flora and fauna there, the resiliency of the ecosystems, and the difficulty and complexity of the extraction processes.
Obviously.
“It’s the subsidizing-foreign-jobs-while-strangling-American-industry-and-keeping-us-dependent-on-imported-oil stupid.”
Except that it is American firms that can access the credit, stupid.
Dont take it from me – ask your source for news, Fox:
“…offering lines of credit to U.S. firms so they can compete to land contracts as part of Petrobras’ drilling operations.
The $2 billion “preliminary commitment” by the Export-Import Bank to Petrobras is expected to grow, as the U.S. competes on behalf of American exporters of goods and services against those from China.”
But I already posted that, so you already read it. Dont know what more I can do…
And I condemn that tendency in both. And I note, again, that Democrats are the fascists we have now (as well as the greater fascists philosophically).
(#74 was continuing my own #72)
“…the idea that it might be motivated by a desire to “compete” with China is ridiculous in light of the cap and trade bill”
I don’t follow your logic. How does anything about the cap and trade bill affect the fact that American companies are out there trying to get business, and the US govt, through the ExIm bank is trying to help them compete against gov’t backed entities from China?
” and (2) the fact that your answer ignores the fact that Soros has a stake in the venture worth almost a billion dollars speaks volumes.”
Once again, what is the relevance? I daresay there are large American investors involved with just about every major project in the world, and most of them make political contributions too. The Brazilian oilfields are a very major disovery – they are going to be exploited, and there are contracts to be had. How does Soros’s presence change any of that, and why should the US stay out just because some investor there is a known contributor to the president’s party? Where does this standard all of a sudden come from?
Obama Administration Halts Shale Oil Exploration in Utah, Colorado and Wyoming.
Obama Administration halts Uranium exploration in Arizona.
Obama Admin halts offshore drilling in the USA.
The Obama admin would rather spend, baby, spend than drill, baby, drill.
(I know, these mere facts won’t impress Tardo, but they prove to others how full of crap he is.)
BTW, $2 Billion is the minimum loan, the US has agreed to loan up to $10 billion. But we could develop domestic resources for $0 Billion, and add jobs, and reduce our dependency on foreign oil. But, of course, that would be contrary to the the spend-baby-spend mantra of the Obama regime.
There is a difference between stopping oil production (what you said, and what I denied) and stopping drilling in new places.
Tano- Give it up. You are well past the point of embarrassing yourself.
No one is making any effort to stop oil production in the US.
How many refineries have been built in the last 30 odd years? How many have shut down?
No one is making any effort to stop oil production in the US.
Via your own Associated (with terrorists) Press:
There has been virtually no public debate on the potential environmental costs of retrieving the billions of barrels of oil, a project one expert said will be as difficult as landing a man on the moon.
Congress has entire LAWS preventing oil exploration and production in the U.S. Tano, get real.
Tano, jack off. Try seeing my congressman, I had to be preregistered to attend his town hall. HA HA. packed house, with his family and supporters. Two thousand people stood outside and were refused access to his meeting. Revolution NOW.
Meh. I’ve been ‘strongly disapproving’ of Barack Obama since his second week in office. That doesn’t mean I should have voted for a dying man and that yokel from Alaska, it just means I should probably join the majority of Americans in disengaging with our pathetic political process by not voting for anybody. Obama’s on a slide because he’s failed to do anything that he said he would do, and because he’s too stupid to not fall for all of the Republicans’ little framing tricks and traps. Slowly but surely, they’re very effectively chipping away at Obama’s credibility and his mandate, and through the magic of extrapolation, it’s not unbelievable to expect his numbers to be in the low 30’s or worse by the time he’s up for re-election again. I can only imagine how worse his numbers would be currently if the Republican Party hadn’t been imploding so cartoonishly over the past couple of months, but at least you’re getting it all out of the way while your popularity and credibility has totally bottomed out. There is one moron among you that’s so far unscathed and can at least feign reasonability and he’s going to be our 45th President – Mitt Romney.
Really though, as Obama becomes more and more of a joke, don’t think it’s because of anything you did. People aren’t coming around to your side or buying your bags of bullsh*t, we simply can’t believe that someone so uniquely empowered to be the first successful progressive President in generations is getting mired down by the exact same forces that derailed his predecessors.
There is a difference between stopping oil production … and stopping drilling in new places.
If you can’t drill in new places, than oil production stops when the old places run dry.
Good lord, you really are a retard.
That doesn’t mean I should have voted for a dying man
I wonder what you would have said had a been a Jew or Hispanic. What a disgusting bigot.
Then again, we saw how the liberals treated Lieberman, so that answers half of my question.
And from the mouth of a leftist. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! 🙂 Makes my day.
My own prediction is not that Obama will be one-term or two-term, but that his presidency must inevitably end in an even greater economic meltdown, from the endless $1.8 trillion deficits. Things may well get better in the short run. I’m fine with that. I even want them to. That is, I WANT people to understand, when we get to the final meltdown, that Obama IS to blame for it. (He didn’t do all 80 years of socialism leading up to it – but he embodies the socialist philosphy and accordingly, at a critical moment, turned the ship INTO the hurricane rather than away from it.) The timing of the meltdown is what will determine whether Obama is one-term or two-term. Things could start worsening dramatically in as little as 2 months, or in as long as 4 years. If it’s the latter, then things look OK for his reelection. I’d rather it be a little sooner so it will consume fewer years of my life, but, whatever. It’s in God’s hands.
Yes, Levi’s screaming for President Bush’s head but when President Obama does the exact same thing, or turns it up to eleven, he’s simply ‘shocked’.