The POINT Of capitalism is to spread the wealth, not to have the few at the top having most of the money. And it’s not giving tax breaks to those who inherited their money.

And capitlism sure doesn’t say that America should hand billions of dollars and American jobs over to commies as the Republicans did. Our balance of payments has been negative for most of Bush’s 8 years (if you don’t know what “balance of payments” mean you could look it up if you know how to dothat).

That Republican view of capitalism is in fact that same as the monarchies that our Revolution fought against.

So they are saying Bush lied that there were no WMD’s?

How cute!

As for this:

“The private insurance negotiates.”

That’s hillarious! Every year the cost of the policies go UP but the amount they pay out stays the same or goes down.

So who are they negotiating with? Themselves to make sure that the CEO of Insurance company X makes the same as the CEO of Insurance company Y!

After all they realllllllllllllly need a bigger and better yacht every year or they won’t get the best looking “escorts” they can ply with $1000 of wine that WE PAID FOR!

YOu must have gotten those “this is not a bill *yet* forms that show what a small amount of your money goes to the doctors and hospitals compared to what the doctors and hospitals say are their costs.

So it is the insurance companies that are telling doctors what they can and can’t do, despite your belief that doctors have some say in it.

Sorry, I’m not interested in turning over MY MONEY to some megarich guy who thinks he’s a god and can take all the money he feels like.

Maybe this time he actually noticed?

Private doctors and hospitals negotiate rates with Private insurances. These two private entities come to an agreement on price. Or they don’t come to an agreement and the insured choose to go there, knowing the insurance pays at a reduced rate (or no rate if that’s what their plan says. Don’t know what your benefits are? RTFM)

Places like the Mayo clinic don’t negotiate with anyone, because they know they’re big enough, skilled enough and damnit famous enough that people will go there if it’s difficult. They also know that people who go there will pay.

There’s this thing called ‘Reasonable & Customary’ (R&C). R&C is gathered by checking what doctors and hospitals charge in an area and charting the average. Despite people not understanding, this is not done by insurance companies. They buy the data from third parties that just do this.

That’s the real world. Now Medicare/Medicaid don’t work in the real world. They don’t negotiate. They say “We pay x for y. Take it or leave it.” Obama’s lies and what would be called slander by anyone else of doctor’s aside, they don’t get 10k for an amputation.

If the government is the single payer (or even in the game) it’s not a level field anymore. The private insurance negotiates. the ‘public option’ says ‘take it or leave it’. Which becomes ‘take it or we’ll mandate you take it’.

I was talking to Mr. “everybody in America is a fascist, ‘cept me”.

No Tano, not everybody in America. Only you socialists who try to pretend that you’re not – who try to pretend that you somehow still believe in private property and individual freedom, on some level, when all your plans and regulations and mandates serve only to destroy human freedom. Just you.

Perhaps Chairman Obama can hold up “his” bill, point to specific sections and page numbers and prove everybody wrong. Wouldn’t that make more sense, and be more presidential, than calling everyone liars, Nazis, mobs, racists, teabaggers etc?

He knew which section referred to “Death Panels”, why not show us what the section ACTUALLY said? If it was so damn great, why pull it out?

No matter. Silly season is coming to a close. The ranters have shot their wad. Come the fall, there will be resolution in the committees. There will be a single bill. And only then will we see who does or doesn’t have the political smarts.

No matter. Chairman Obama is launching investigations into alleged CIA “abuses”. What’s more, he’s going to erase 9/11 permanently. That’ll keep those ignorant Proles busy.

Let me be blunt. You dont know what you are talking about. What you claim is inevitable, is in fact, highly unlikely, if not downright guaranteed NOT to happen.

The CBO, PolitiFact & FactCheck seem to disagree with you.

Because, as I pointed out already:

But in this case, we have a President who cannot and will not do their job and expects us to ignore that fact because of their skin color.

As for calling us racists, we already have that. Barack Obama is calling us racists, Neanderthals, evilmongers, Nazis, and so forth as he whines and screams and throws his temper tantrums.

Never in this effort has he ever taken the position that single payer is the goal, explicit or hidden

Let’s watch again, as Tano’s Dear Leader declares explicitly that single payer is his true desire:

Obama, 2003: “I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.”

Obama, 2007: “…when we had a healthcare forum before I set up my healthcare plan here in Iowa there was a lot of resistance to a single-payer system. So what I believe is we should set up a series of choices….*Over time it may be that we end up transitioning to… that perfect system*…”

Now let’s watch Obama flagrantly lie about his support for single-payer:

President Obama, 8-11-09: “I have not said I am a single payer supporter.”

Never in this effort has he ever taken the position that single payer is the goal, explicit or hidden

And now Tano lies. (See above.) Just as I predicted at #9.

Oh really? Then why do you obsess about it in just about every comment you make?
I think you desparatly want people to call you a racist – and you are just furiously chumming the waters and hoping for a strike. You probably have your whole little “i’m a pretty little victim of all these meanies calling me a racist” speech, ready to go.

Give it a break, eh?

You dredge up a quote from six years ago

LOL – I was trying to go easy on you, Tano, by not dredging up too many examples at once of Obama declaring his true agenda to be single payer.

He has said it more than once. I can see you are behind the curve. I will supply another. This one I believe is from 2007:

…when we had a healthcare forum before I set up my healthcare plan here in Iowa there was a lot of resistance to a single-payer system. So what I believe is we should set up a series of choices….*Over time it may be that we end up transitioning to such a system*… I don’t want to wait for *that perfect system*…

Emphasis added. He called it “That perfect system”, Tano, and laid out in no uncertain terms that it was where he wanted to lead us, “over time”.

Now let’s compare that with my original claim, from #5:

Dan, I think the President’s plan *is* simple and understandable: Government takeover of health care. First through mandates and even more micromanagement, but leading in a few more years to the Promised Land: single payer. Obama and others in his camp have said it over and over – *in the past*. It is what his plans all point to. But *now, in 2009, they are lying about it*. [i.e., about their true desire for single payer] “Single payer? This isn’t single payer! I’ve never supported single payer!”

Emphasis added. Now, you took exception to that. But I was spot on, now wasn’t I? Why not just admit it, Tano? You would look less foolish.

“How come all of a sudden we can’t use Obamas words on critical issues?”

You can use whatever words you want. If you are interested in persuading other people, rather than just ranting though, you will make strong arguments rather than weak ones. That is one of my jobs here – to point out to you the weakness of your arguments. Y’all should be paying me…

“Whether it was 2 , 5 or 10 years ago, it tells you where his heart is.”

But no one denies that his “heart” is with single payer – he has said as much, and no one denies it. But his head told him long ago that it is not practical given the system that we have evolved, so he has gone another way.

“Then explain how exactly that system DIDN’T bring GM Chrysler and almost FORD to their kneees begging for a bailout.”

??? Howwzzat? GM and Ford did not participate in some government health insurance scheme. What is your point here?

I think that’s the level of intellectual rigor that you and your fellow liberals apply to your analysis. It’s also Barack Obama’s thought process; “I’m black, so everything I do is right and everyone who disagrees is a racist.”

I don’t care what color the President is, mainly because that is irrelevant to whether or not he or she can do their job. But in this case, we have a President who cannot and will not do their job and expects us to ignore that fact because of their skin color.

‘Government has been in a slow-motion takeover of the US health care sector for *decades*.”

Ah, forgive me. I forgot I was talking to Mr. “everybody in America is a fascist, ‘cept me”. And yes, I exaggerate a little here. Just the Democratic and Republican parties….and their supporters,,,,