Truthers in their Midst:
Or, the Failure of Obama’s Democrats to “Police thier Extremes”
Or, the Failure of Obama’s Democrats to “Police thier Extremes”
When Jim Geraghty typed “’9/11′ into the search box on Google video,” yesterday “seven of the first ten videos” turned out out be “Truther or conspiracy-related.”
Just as “trutherism” (the belief than 9/11 was an inside job) has become prevalent on the web, so too has it come to pervade large segments of the American left. And while Charles Krauthammer “can’t get too excited” about a number of the chages against former White House green jobs Czar Van Jones that have worked some of his ideological confrères into a lather, he finds it appropriate that the Obama appointee lost his job for identifying with the “truthers” and troubling that the Administration (and its left-wing allies in general) haven’t done a better job of policing their extremes:
He’s gone for one reason and one reason only. You can’t sign a petition demanding not one but four investigations of the charge that the Bush administration deliberately allowed Sept. 11, 2001 — i.e., collaborated in the worst massacre ever perpetrated on American soil — and be permitted in polite society, let alone have a high-level job in the White House.
Unlike the other stuff, . . . this is no trivial matter. It’s beyond radicalism, beyond partisanship. It takes us into the realm of political psychosis, a malignant paranoia that, unlike the Marxist posturing, is not amusing. It’s dangerous. In America, movements and parties are required to police their extremes. Bill Buckley did that with Birchers. Liberals need to do that with ‘truthers.’
You can no more have a truther in the White House than you can have a Holocaust denier — a person who creates a hallucinatory alternative reality in the service of a fathomless malice.
But reality doesn’t daunt Jones’s defenders. One Obama administration source told ABC that Jones hadn’t read the 2004 petition carefully enough, an excuse echoed by Howard Dean.
Carefully enough? It demanded the investigation of charges “that people within the current [Bush] administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war.”
And left-wingers whip themselves into a frenzy about “birthers,” suggesting they represented the mainstream of conservative opinion or Republican opposition, they seem eager to ignore or are reluctant to criticize the truthers in their midst.
(H/t: Jennifer Rubin.)
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“so too has it come to pervade large segments of the American left”
Let me practice my diplomacy here. I find this to be a statement that lies at a significant distance from any shadow of the truth.
‘It takes us into the realm of political psychosis, a malignant paranoia that, unlike the Marxist posturing, is not amusing. It’s dangerous. In America, movements and parties are required to police their extremes.”
You beleive this? So why do you tolerate birthers, and ObamaHitler nutjobs in your comment community?
You dont get to call others hypocrites for not doing the same thing that you are not doing.
Comment by Tano — September 12, 2009 @ 10:01 pm - September 12, 2009
I posted a video on FB showing the crowd size at today’s TEA party rally in DC. My fried responded that she had seen on the news that one of the protesters was making a islamic slur and thus discounted the whole movement.
It is interesting that she would take the sentiments of a single protester at a rally of over a million as representative of the whole. By the same argument, Van Jones is a truther. He was appointed by our President as “Green Jobs Czar”. He is an admitted truther and communist. With simple lefty logic this then proves that the entire Obama movement is nothing but the insane ramblings of a truther.
Comment by Croft — September 12, 2009 @ 11:02 pm - September 12, 2009
I just wrote a comment which was long and in which I sounded out against the dumbass Truthers including the likes of the dumbshit Tano….. My piece did not take… so here is a short version.
If you need to debunk what these crazed fools are saying, I found a site for you regarding the kind of jet engine that was on board flight 77
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
This page debunks at least one of the myths that are held by dumbass Truthers.
For another debunking try a Google on Norwood Project. You will find that it relates to the CIA and JFK back in 1961-62 and that the papers regarding Norwood project were released from the JFK archives in 1997. There is no way that GWB a Republican can be linked to advice given by the CIA to JFK a Democrat…..
Truthers are just insane.
Comment by thestraightaussie — September 12, 2009 @ 11:03 pm - September 12, 2009
@Croft there is a lot of logic in your statement. The obots do tend to ramble on like Truthers…. and they all seem to believe in Trutherism….. (Stretching it a bit here)
Comment by thestraightaussie — September 12, 2009 @ 11:05 pm - September 12, 2009
“and they all seem to believe in Trutherism….. (Stretching it a bit here)”
The word is lying.
Comment by Tano — September 12, 2009 @ 11:26 pm - September 12, 2009
Let’s see here.
Tano has tried the following:
1) Accusing everyone else of lying
2) Claiming that all Republicans support birtherism and ObamaHitlerism
Not once has he condemned Trutherism. Not once has he condemned Obama for openly supporting and endorsing Trutherism. Not once has he stated that Van Jones’s embrace of Trutherism and Obama’s support of it indicates a problem.
Divert, spin, delay, blame others. The classic liberal. So typical of the irresponsible Barack Obama and his puppets like Tano, who endorse, support, and defend everything that Obama does.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 13, 2009 @ 1:17 am - September 13, 2009
“Accusing everyone else of lying”
Everyone?
“Claiming that all Republicans support birtherism and ObamaHitlerism’
Huh? Show me where.
I wrote that some of such people are tolerated in the comment section here.” And you pretend that I said all Republicans?
Just to make you happy:
I condemn trutherism. It is absolute disgusting lunacy.
Obama has never supported trutherism. You sir, are an absolutely disgusting liar.
Van Jones’s signing of the petition is a problem. It cost him his job, and I have no problem with that. Its unfortunate because I dont really beleive that he embraced those beliefs, and he is a pretty remarkable guy, but he did sign it, so tough cookies….
Comment by Tano — September 13, 2009 @ 1:30 am - September 13, 2009
Right and Chairman Obama can’t be a racist homophobe because of the people he surrounds himself with happen to be so.
Good one, Turdo.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 13, 2009 @ 2:38 am - September 13, 2009
Um, Tano, I have no clue what you mean by your first question.
Yeah, I don’t delete their comments, but then I don’t delete yours either. By your logic, if I tolerate your comments (by letting them stand), I agree with your points. There’s a difference between letting some extremist’s comment stand in a forum where a variety of views are expressed and giving him a position of responsibility in the federal government.
How many times do I need to remind you to read my posts before commenting. But, maybe that won’t matter, you’ll still see me as you want to see me, some right-wing birther-supporting demon of your imagination.
And as to your comment #7, a pretty remarkable guy? Would a remerkable guy sign such a petition? So, if he didn’t embrace those beliefs (as you claim), why didn’t he just repudiate the petition before he took a White House job.
Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — September 13, 2009 @ 4:18 am - September 13, 2009
Over one third of Democrats (35%) believe Bush knew about the attacks in advance. An additional 26% are “not sure”. Only 39% of Democrats are even sane enough to recognize that Bush did not know. source
That is indeed, “pervasive”.
Who are the Obama birthers? I certainly haven’t noticed any. But just because the policies of Obama and the Democrats bear a striking and uncomfortable resemblance to the policies of the National Socialist Party and other fascist regimes doesnt make the comparisons any less valid. It makes them more valid. One thing every tyranny in history has shared is a love of big, centralized, all powerful government.
Conservatives have learned that lesson from history. Leftists seemingly cant wait to relive it.
Comment by American Elephant — September 13, 2009 @ 5:04 am - September 13, 2009
Last I checked, a fair amount of birthers were democrats and the “ObamaHitler nutjobs” were liberal plants.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 13, 2009 @ 5:18 am - September 13, 2009
Doublethink: The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. – George Orwell
It’s the only way to describe the Liberal mind that believes that Bush was a complete imbecile who was unable to tie his own shoes… while simultaneously believing that Bush was a criminal mastermind who slaughtered almost 3000 American citizens without leaving a trail back to himself.
Comment by Neko — September 13, 2009 @ 5:53 am - September 13, 2009
I find since Tardo never has anything interesting, honest, or persuasive to contribute to any thread, his posts can be easily ignored.
Comment by V the K — September 13, 2009 @ 9:22 am - September 13, 2009
“Would a remerkable guy sign such a petition?”
Sure, why not? Being remarkable doesn’t preclude making stupid mistakes.
“So, if he didn’t embrace those beliefs (as you claim), why didn’t he just repudiate the petition before he took a White House job.
I dont know. If I had to guess, I would imagine he probably didnt even remember the damn thing.
Comment by Tano — September 13, 2009 @ 11:26 am - September 13, 2009
“Over one third of Democrats (35%) believe Bush knew about the attacks in advance.”
Yeah, thanks for another example of the absolute hackery of Scott Rasmussen. The question is worded in such a way as to intentionally capture lots of people who feel that Bush had plenty of good reason to expect an attack (like the intellegence report he got entitled “al-Q determined to strike in America), but failed to take these threats seriously.
So they feel that Bush knew that some kind of attacks were coming. That does not mean that they think he knew of the specific plan, and let it happen. And it certainly does not mean that they think he was in on the planning of the placement of bombs within the WTC that were necessary to get it to collapse as it did (real trutherism).
Comment by Tano — September 13, 2009 @ 11:33 am - September 13, 2009
““ObamaHitler nutjobs” were liberal plants.”
You talking ’bout American Elephant?
Comment by Tano — September 13, 2009 @ 11:35 am - September 13, 2009
Do these people ever actually listen to the things that come out of their mouths? At least Clinton’s “it all depends on what the definition of “is” is” was clever in a dark and disturbing lawyerly way.
Spelling error alert:
And while Charles Krauthammer “can’t get too excited” about a number of the chages against former White House green jobs Czar Van Jones
It’s nice when I can point to someone else’s boo-boos, usually the misspelling shoe is on my foot.
Comment by Sonicfrog — September 13, 2009 @ 1:12 pm - September 13, 2009
Tano,
I never compared Obama to Hitler. So, you lie, as usual. I said that the policies of the National Socialist Party and Obama and the Democrats are strikingly similar. Democrats, like the Nazi party, favor big, intrusive centralized government. They both seized control of private industry, they both favor nationalized health care. Nazis also used environmentalism to whip up their base.
I’m sorry that your similarity to fascist regimes offends you. It offends me too! But instead of shooting the messenger, why dont you stop supporting fascism?
Comment by American Elephant — September 13, 2009 @ 4:54 pm - September 13, 2009
Over one third of Democrats (35%) believe Bush knew about the attacks in advance. An additional 26% are “not sure”.
I used to go out with a guy who turned out to be in the “not sure” category. The evening he told me that “you can’t rule out” Bush and Cheney’s involvement in planning the 9/11 attacks, I dropped him from my list of acceptable men for dates.
Comment by Conservative Guy — September 13, 2009 @ 4:58 pm - September 13, 2009
Actually, Tardo, according to an independent study done by Fordham University Rasmussen is THE most accurate pollster in the business.
But “lots of people” weren’t “captured” by the question — independents didnt, Republicans didnt — only Democrats believed in such large numbers that Bush knew!
You lose again.
Comment by American Elephant — September 13, 2009 @ 5:03 pm - September 13, 2009
Good for you CG. I had an acquaintance who said something similar. I tried to reason with him for a while, and when that proved futile, I told him he was addled, akin to a holocaust denier and not to bother bothering me again.
Comment by American Elephant — September 13, 2009 @ 5:06 pm - September 13, 2009
By the way, I am tolerant of almost any viewpoint, although I will argue against many forcefully. But 9/11 denial, and holocaust denial are two viewpoints I simply wont countenance.
Comment by American Elephant — September 13, 2009 @ 5:40 pm - September 13, 2009
And again Tano tries to spread the Big Lie that the Larouchies are Republicans.
I’ve not compared President Obama to Hitler. But your repeating of a lie often enough that you hope it becomes the truth would make Gobbels proud, Tano.
Comment by The_Livewire — September 13, 2009 @ 7:19 pm - September 13, 2009
back to the issue of the retard Truthers, – this is the one issue that can really get me angry…. they are just totally insane with their ideas.
I gave the link to a site that debunks the myths about what hit the Pentagon. I do have some knowledge about aircraft because my husband is an aeronautical engineer. That is why when I hear a Truther start sprouting about “Titanium” and things not bursting into flames it is enough to set me off….
The Truther I encountered on Facebook has to be one of the biggest of these jerks that I had the misfortune to encounter. He was a total dumbass – sounds a lot like Tardo – he kept on about the Northwoods Project which is obviously something that the turd Michael Moore had attempted to link to GWB. What the turd Moore did not tell people is that the Northwoods project relates to JFK, a Democrat and it was suggested by the CIA in 1962. What the turd and slimy Moore did not tell people is that the papers relating to the Northwoods Project were released in 1997. What the big fat slime Moore did not mention is that Bush had been President for less than 9 months when Bin Laden struck.
Now, dealing with the crap about prevention of the attack, my comment here is that nothing could be done to prevent something where there is no intelligence on the perpetrators in the first place. The Muslim members of Al Qaeda who took part in this murder-suicide mission went under the radar. They were already on USA soil when Clinton was still President, because they did their pilot training in Florida…. that means that these dumbass Truthers have in fact lost the plot with their claims…. start at why Clinton did not tighten the security of the borders or have in place security that would mean that these people would have been flagged in the first place……
You cannot act upon intelligence that warns of a possibility of attack if there is nothing concrete…….
Comment by thestraightaussie — September 13, 2009 @ 8:07 pm - September 13, 2009
I condemn trutherism. It is absolute disgusting lunacy.
Lie. You state specifically that Truthers are “pretty remarkable” guys.
Obama has never supported trutherism.
Lie. Obama fully endorses and supports Trutherism, Truthers, and their beliefs.
The question is worded in such a way as to intentionally capture lots of people who feel that Bush had plenty of good reason to expect an attack (like the intellegence report he got entitled “al-Q determined to strike in America), but failed to take these threats seriously.
Sort of like how the question is phrased to brand as “birthers” people who have questions about why Barack Obama refuses to release the information like college transcripts, health records, passports, and so forth that he demands of others.
Good thing that Tano is showing his Truther colors here. You have to wonder just how deluded Tano is, that he thinks he can “condemn” Trutherism while endorsing and supporting Truthers and the fundamental tenet of Trutherism — that Bush deliberately allowed or caused the 9/11 attacks.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 13, 2009 @ 8:26 pm - September 13, 2009
“I never compared Obama to Hitler. So, you lie, as usual. I said that the policies of the National Socialist Party and Obama and the Democrats are strikingly similar.”
You’re a riot, Alice.
Comment by Tano — September 13, 2009 @ 8:42 pm - September 13, 2009
“And again Tano tries to spread the Big Lie that the Larouchies are Republicans.”
Huh? Talk about lies! I can state with absolute confidence that I have never written a single word about “Larouchies”, either here or anywhere else.
Just makin’ sh*t up, eh?
“I’ve not compared President Obama to Hitler. But your repeating of a lie…”
Oh, did I mention your name? Where. Please link, or shut up.
Comment by Tano — September 13, 2009 @ 8:46 pm - September 13, 2009
pick up a history book sometime Tano.
Comment by American Elephant — September 14, 2009 @ 5:02 am - September 14, 2009
Nope checkmate Tano.
Here is ILC saying that Obama is not Hitler.
And it has been shown many times that the obama-hitler poster was a leftie, by Dan and I to give a few examples.
Keep trying to repeat the big lie though. Just as we know President Obama consorted(is past tense correct?) with terrorists and truthers, the truth will come through despite your attempts to hide it.
Comment by The_Livewire — September 14, 2009 @ 6:56 am - September 14, 2009
“Here is ILC saying that Obama is not Hitler.’
Huh? So what? Are you and ILC the same person? Why are you having this conversation with me? You jumped in here, calling me a liar and claiming that YOU never said Obama was Hitler.
I never accused YOU of that, nor did I ever accuse ILC of that. So what the hell is this all about?
“t the obama-hitler poster was a leftie,”
Huh? THere were lots of obama-hitler posters and signs from the little tea ceremony thing this weekend. I dont know what poster you are talking about.
Comment by Tano — September 14, 2009 @ 9:27 am - September 14, 2009
Aww, poor Tano, did I strike a nerve?
I know it’s hard to have your little conspriacy theories debunked. Kind of like when I point out your own words, here where you try to claim that someone obeying the law (albiet questionable judgement) is ‘part of your crowd’.
Spread the lie that Glen Beck was promoting FEMA camps, despite being debunked here.
Or maybe when you showed your ignorance on Honduras here
Though you showed your true colours when you said that impeaching the vice president was not an extreme idea
Bing.com is a wonderful way to reflect the past. The only reason I reply to you is because new people reading this blog need an easy way to counter the lies you always spin.
Comment by The_Livewire — September 14, 2009 @ 11:09 am - September 14, 2009
Does anyone else find it funny when Tano is called out, his arguement is “I didn’t ask you to debunk my lies about ILC! Get out of my arguement with those facts!”
Comment by The_Livewire — September 14, 2009 @ 11:11 am - September 14, 2009
#32 – I sure as hell do. Good work, LW.
Regards,
Peter H.
Comment by Peter Hughes — September 14, 2009 @ 12:36 pm - September 14, 2009
I have no idea still what you are talking about livewire.
What conspiracy theory do you think I am holding? What do you think you are debunking? I made a comment about unspecified people saying certain things, and you jump in to deny you said them. And point out the someone else once said the opposite. What on earth do you think you are demonstrating? As I said, I never claimed that you said these things, nor ILC. So, once again, what the hell are you talking about?
Comment by Tano — September 14, 2009 @ 2:28 pm - September 14, 2009
And a quick google search proves that AE’s not made the comparison that Tano accuses him of. Again, Tano can’t back up comments he can’t prove.
He also doesn’t admit he lied again about Glen Beck and the FEMA camps. It’s the big lie in action folks.
Comment by The_Livewire — September 14, 2009 @ 8:24 pm - September 14, 2009