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		<title>By: TD</title>
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		<dc:creator>TD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.gormogons.com/2009/09/how-many-people-were-at-big-912-tea.html

They estimate 750000, and show where the probably wrong figure of 1.2 million came from.

Estimating crowd density is hard.</description>
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<p>They estimate 750000, and show where the probably wrong figure of 1.2 million came from.</p>
<p>Estimating crowd density is hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you weren&#039;t there, you have no idea how big this was. The organizers were off by a factor of ten. How do I know? You had to be on the front lawn to even see the big screen of the speaker, let alone the speaker. We could barely hear them and we got way past the reflecting pond. The porta potties were completely inadequate to the task. People were waiting 30 minutes to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you weren&#8217;t there, you have no idea how big this was. The organizers were off by a factor of ten. How do I know? You had to be on the front lawn to even see the big screen of the speaker, let alone the speaker. We could barely hear them and we got way past the reflecting pond. The porta potties were completely inadequate to the task. People were waiting 30 minutes to go.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tano,

Let us stipulate for the sake of liberal v conservative understanding and accord that liberals can find an easy million if it is a Million Man March or a liberal demonstration. On the other hand, liberals insist on an accurate census discounted by 50% for good measure when conservatives gather.

I&#039;m cool with that. It pretty much follows all liberal thinking. 110% of all doctors and nurses are just insanely wild about adopting Obamacare. One cranky octogenarian podiatrist in a mental institution opposes Obamacare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tano,</p>
<p>Let us stipulate for the sake of liberal v conservative understanding and accord that liberals can find an easy million if it is a Million Man March or a liberal demonstration. On the other hand, liberals insist on an accurate census discounted by 50% for good measure when conservatives gather.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m cool with that. It pretty much follows all liberal thinking. 110% of all doctors and nurses are just insanely wild about adopting Obamacare. One cranky octogenarian podiatrist in a mental institution opposes Obamacare.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there. Had the marchers been allowed to fill in the mall area first  instead of being funneled into the side areas to the left and right of the capitol, the enormity of this event would have been more apparent. The photograph of the west front only shows a fraction of the people. Before the side areas were full I witnessed a police officer tell a small group of marchers to leave the mall area immediately as it was off limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there. Had the marchers been allowed to fill in the mall area first  instead of being funneled into the side areas to the left and right of the capitol, the enormity of this event would have been more apparent. The photograph of the west front only shows a fraction of the people. Before the side areas were full I witnessed a police officer tell a small group of marchers to leave the mall area immediately as it was off limits.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us not forget all the other 9/12 rallies around the country.

And of course lets not forget the bomb threats made against organizers, on 9/11 no less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us not forget all the other 9/12 rallies around the country.</p>
<p>And of course lets not forget the bomb threats made against organizers, on 9/11 no less.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What do you think that proves, Steve?&lt;/i&gt;

It proves that liberals are slobs, filty vermin and elites who love to tell everybody else what to do with their trash, but leave theirs for the &quot;boy&quot; to clean up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What do you think that proves, Steve?</i></p>
<p>It proves that liberals are slobs, filty vermin and elites who love to tell everybody else what to do with their trash, but leave theirs for the &#8220;boy&#8221; to clean up.</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 02:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16

What do you think that proves, Steve? Yesterday was 1/30 the size of the inauguration. So...less garbage. What a revelation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16</p>
<p>What do you think that proves, Steve? Yesterday was 1/30 the size of the inauguration. So&#8230;less garbage. What a revelation!</p>
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		<title>By: domino</title>
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		<dc:creator>domino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 02:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama only talks when he has a captive audience clapping at all his baloney I have never heard him actually debate anyone on any policy that has any substance. Protrayal of an egotistical personality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama only talks when he has a captive audience clapping at all his baloney I have never heard him actually debate anyone on any policy that has any substance. Protrayal of an egotistical personality.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 02:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So as millions gathered to rail against this administration, our young President fled the city in a helicopter reminding me of the end of Saigon.
8 months, how the mighty have fallen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So as millions gathered to rail against this administration, our young President fled the city in a helicopter reminding me of the end of Saigon.<br />
8 months, how the mighty have fallen.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven E. Kalbach</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/13/actual-number-at-dc-tea-party/comment-page-1/#comment-476332</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven E. Kalbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check this out: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/clean-conservatives-filthy-liberals.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check this out: <a href="http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/clean-conservatives-filthy-liberals.html" rel="nofollow">http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/clean-conservatives-filthy-liberals.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: buckeyenutlover</title>
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		<dc:creator>buckeyenutlover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.  any reputable news source is saying &quot;tens of thousands.&quot;  Comparing pics from Obama&#039;s inauguration (about 1.5million) to Saturday&#039;s event puts it in complete perspective.  pictures do tell the story, and the story here is how the repugnant right is lying, again.  No surprise there.

http://crooksandliars.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  any reputable news source is saying &#8220;tens of thousands.&#8221;  Comparing pics from Obama&#8217;s inauguration (about 1.5million) to Saturday&#8217;s event puts it in complete perspective.  pictures do tell the story, and the story here is how the repugnant right is lying, again.  No surprise there.</p>
<p><a href="http://crooksandliars.com/" rel="nofollow">http://crooksandliars.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 - Here&#039;s your objective narrative:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1213056/Up-million-march-US-Capitol-protest-Obamas-spending-tea-party-demonstration.html

Notice that it is not a US paper.  Hence the objectivity.

Checkmate.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 &#8211; Here&#8217;s your objective narrative:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1213056/Up-million-march-US-Capitol-protest-Obamas-spending-tea-party-demonstration.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1213056/Up-million-march-US-Capitol-protest-Obamas-spending-tea-party-demonstration.html</a></p>
<p>Notice that it is not a US paper.  Hence the objectivity.</p>
<p>Checkmate.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And the President looked like a coward, running off to avoid this crowd.&lt;/i&gt;

He had a crowd of 15,000 alleged &quot;Minnesotans&quot; to cheerlead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And the President looked like a coward, running off to avoid this crowd.</i></p>
<p>He had a crowd of 15,000 alleged &#8220;Minnesotans&#8221; to cheerlead.</p>
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		<title>By: Able Stanton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Able Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox News said &quot;tens of thousands&quot; several times.  I tend to believe Fox News.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox News said &#8220;tens of thousands&#8221; several times.  I tend to believe Fox News.</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone have an overhead shot, or even a good objective narrative account of how the crowd filled space around the Capitol?

Here &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-01-19-crowd_N.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt; is a schematic used by the Park Service to estimate crowd size, based on Inauguration Days past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone have an overhead shot, or even a good objective narrative account of how the crowd filled space around the Capitol?</p>
<p>Here <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-01-19-crowd_N.htm" rel="nofollow">LINK</a> is a schematic used by the Park Service to estimate crowd size, based on Inauguration Days past.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland Morin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland Morin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there yesterday. Crown was huge. The USA was well represented with freindly people who just want their freedoms restored. I noticed there were people of all ages. Oh by the way there was no trash on the ground. that should speak loud. Americans that attended this meeting should be very proud! Please visit www.freedompug.com to learn more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there yesterday. Crown was huge. The USA was well represented with freindly people who just want their freedoms restored. I noticed there were people of all ages. Oh by the way there was no trash on the ground. that should speak loud. Americans that attended this meeting should be very proud! Please visit <a href="http://www.freedompug.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.freedompug.com</a> to learn more.</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Official police estimate 1.2 million&quot;

Absoutely false. Another wingnut false rumor. The police did not make an estimate.

&quot;ABC and CNN both estimated the crowd at 2 million&quot;

Absolutely false. ABC reported the DCFD number - 60-70,000. March organizers lied when they claimed from the stage that the nets were reporting 1.2 million. &lt;a href=&quot;http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/protest-crowd-size-estimate-falsely-attributed-abc-news/story?id=8558055&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Official police estimate 1.2 million&#8221;</p>
<p>Absoutely false. Another wingnut false rumor. The police did not make an estimate.</p>
<p>&#8220;ABC and CNN both estimated the crowd at 2 million&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely false. ABC reported the DCFD number &#8211; 60-70,000. March organizers lied when they claimed from the stage that the nets were reporting 1.2 million. <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/protest-crowd-size-estimate-falsely-attributed-abc-news/story?id=8558055" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; It seems the turnout was easily in the “healthy six figures.“

Why, because Matt Welch said so?
The only official turnout figures I have seen is the 60-70,000 from the DC Fire Dept.
Do you have any good reason to think it higher?

And yeah, the NYT says officials were surpised at the turnout. Maybe surprised how small it was, given Malkin et al priming the 2 million number for the last few days.

There were more people who showed up at certain football stadiums yesterday than at this demo.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; It seems the turnout was easily in the “healthy six figures.“</p>
<p>Why, because Matt Welch said so?<br />
The only official turnout figures I have seen is the 60-70,000 from the DC Fire Dept.<br />
Do you have any good reason to think it higher?</p>
<p>And yeah, the NYT says officials were surpised at the turnout. Maybe surprised how small it was, given Malkin et al priming the 2 million number for the last few days.</p>
<p>There were more people who showed up at certain football stadiums yesterday than at this demo.<br />
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always get a chuckle when there is a large protest, rally, march, or whatever, when the numbers game begins.  I don&#039;t get the overemphasis on them.  If a movement has legs, it won&#039;t be dependent on the actual numbers at the event.  Sounds like there were a lot of people at the DC Tea Party. 

Patrick J. Sime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always get a chuckle when there is a large protest, rally, march, or whatever, when the numbers game begins.  I don&#8217;t get the overemphasis on them.  If a movement has legs, it won&#8217;t be dependent on the actual numbers at the event.  Sounds like there were a lot of people at the DC Tea Party. </p>
<p>Patrick J. Sime</p>
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		<title>By: John in Dublin CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in Dublin CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Roger Simon said, Obama and Co. should be afraid, very afraid. 8 months in and 2 million rally against him? (ABC and CNN both estimated the crowd at 2 million).  Axelrod or Rahm will have to pay for this. And the President looked like a coward, running off to avoid this crowd. They can ignore this uprising at their own risk, or they can realize they are way off base. Welcome to the start of the second American Revolution!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Roger Simon said, Obama and Co. should be afraid, very afraid. 8 months in and 2 million rally against him? (ABC and CNN both estimated the crowd at 2 million).  Axelrod or Rahm will have to pay for this. And the President looked like a coward, running off to avoid this crowd. They can ignore this uprising at their own risk, or they can realize they are way off base. Welcome to the start of the second American Revolution!</p>
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