And I’m sure his ideas have been judged a failure, mostly by left-wingers like yourself who show no familiarity whatsoever with said ideas.

So, please show me what the statement of mine that you quoted in #22 is completely false.

Until you do so, I will remain skeptical of your claim to having read Kristol’s writings.

Hating gays wasn’t central to his philosophy as hating Jews was central to Hitler’s.

And that talking about “the left” being “anti-American” is pretty silly, not to mention ignorant.

Kristol’s brand of neo-conservatism has, in fact, been tried (as Kristol himself acknowledged), and has been judged a near-total failure. May those ideas die a well-deserved death.

And let me ask you the same thing I have asked all my critics on this thread, which not one of you has addressed (or even considered), whether you’ve actually read Kristol’s writings outside of the isolated quotes you find on left-wing blogs.

You guys just pick a handful of sentences plucked by a left-wing blogger and define a man’s whole being by that. And that’s why i call you narrow-minded. By contrast, I judge him by an entire body of work, the better part of which, perhaps say 99% doesn’t even deal with homosexuality, particularly the stuff which earned him renown and respect on the right (and even from my Marxist political science professor who helped introduce me to the man’s ideas).

This is the worst case of Stockholm Syndrome I have ever heard of. HE THOUGHT YOU WERE INFERIOR, UNCLEAN AND A DISEASE-CARRIER.

And you still haven’t answered my question whether you’ve actually read Kristol’s writings outside of the isolated quotes you find on left-wing blogs.

But, I guess you readers of mean-spirited left-wing blogs don’t have the sense to understand such simple notions of finding 80% of what someone says brilliant, even though the remaining 20% may not be as appealing.

Well, yeah, in particular that 20% should definitely make you question why it you agree with the other 80% of what he says.

If your neighbor, for example, has interesting ideas on the redistribution of wealth that you find appealing, but he also likes to smash his wife in the face with a torque wrench from time to time, are you still going to sing his praises when he finally kicks off?

People can have some decent ideas (although I don’t agree with any of Kristol’s, or his affirmative-action boy’s), and still be scummy people whom you are tainted by associating with.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight …

Hating Jews wasn’t central to his philosophy as hating Jews was central to Hitler’s.

Oops, copy/paste fail. This was the sentence I meant to blockquote above.

Did he hate gay people, SomeNYGuy, or did he just say some strange things about them.

Freudian slip, GayKapoWest?

Hating gays wasn’t central to his philosophy as hating Jews was central to Hitler’s.

And let me as you guys (again), have you ever read his writings outside of the quotes you find on left-wing blogs

Did he hate gay people, SomeNYGuy, or did he just say some strange things about them.

Gee, Hitler said some downright peculiar things about Jews, didn’t he? Odd things. Unusual things.

But, you don’t because if you did, you’d know that George W. Bush was anything but a conservative.

Did he hate gay people, SomeNYGuy, or did he just say some strange things about them. Go back and read his stuff and don’t pull his quotes out of context. Granted I don’t much like a lot of what he said about homosexuality, but that doesn’t mean he hated us.

So, SJohn, yes, I’m aware of that comment and have been. Had I had more time to craft my post (that is, if Rosh Hashanah had not intervened), I would have dealt with his strange statements on homosexuality.

But, just because I disagree with some of what he said doesn’t mean I can’t fit the better part of his philosophy appealing and influential. But, I guess you readers of mean-spirited left-wing blogs don’t have the sense to understand such simple notions of finding 80% of what someone says brilliant, even though the remaining 20% may not be as appealing.

But, at least your ignorance (and intolerance) is amusing.

Perhaps, had he been born in a different age, he might have held different attitudes toward gay people. But, then again, he might not have been a neo-conservative as he would never have joined the left.

And to you, who presume you know so much, the former neo-conservatives are former liberals who forsook the left as it was becoming increasingly anti-American. Pay attention, you’re going to see a lot more people making similar journeys in the next few years.

Indeed, that process has already begun.

Indeed.

And just look at where those ideas got us: bogged down in two wars, deeply in debt and on the brink of planetary environmental collapse.

To paraphrase another great conservative (George W Bush) Heck of a job Irv!

-Guess who? No, really, guess!