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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Carly&#8217;s Website is Up; Time to Donate</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Carly&#8217;s Website is Up; Time to Donate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] With the junior Senator from California, elected at the tail-end of a recession, having watched unemployment climb by 33% in the Golden State* during her tenure in the United States Senate, it&#8217;s clear we need a representative in Washington who knows how to create jobs.  Unemployment out here is now at a post-World Wart II high.  And Mrs. Boxer seems indifferent to the employment situation in the Golden State; just this week she voted to table an amendment which could have created or saved (to borrow an expression from the Pres.... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] With the junior Senator from California, elected at the tail-end of a recession, having watched unemployment climb by 33% in the Golden State* during her tenure in the United States Senate, it&#8217;s clear we need a representative in Washington who knows how to create jobs.  Unemployment out here is now at a post-World Wart II high.  And Mrs. Boxer seems indifferent to the employment situation in the Golden State; just this week she voted to table an amendment which could have created or saved (to borrow an expression from the Pres&#8230;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sonicfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonicfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the snail darter was populated into the Hiwassee River, where it thrives, but I&#039;ve found nothing that says it no longer swims the Little Tennessee River. Point is, they found a way to preserve the minnow, and complete the Dam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the snail darter was populated into the Hiwassee River, where it thrives, but I&#8217;ve found nothing that says it no longer swims the Little Tennessee River. Point is, they found a way to preserve the minnow, and complete the Dam.</p>
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		<title>By: bmmg39</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmmg39</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find Boxer obnoxious, for the most part, but I also am against any species becoming extinct. (As I believe everyone here is. Right?)

So why is it either/or? Do we have to wipe out a species or screw over Californians seeking agricultural jobs? Can&#039;t we implement a system that will make everyone (including the fish) happy? How about Heliotrope&#039;s proposal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Boxer obnoxious, for the most part, but I also am against any species becoming extinct. (As I believe everyone here is. Right?)</p>
<p>So why is it either/or? Do we have to wipe out a species or screw over Californians seeking agricultural jobs? Can&#8217;t we implement a system that will make everyone (including the fish) happy? How about Heliotrope&#8217;s proposal?</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/23/boxer-votes-to-prevent-california-farmers-from-working/comment-page-1/#comment-484194</link>
		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Tano takes on one of the great FDR progressive government abuses: The Tennessee Valley Authority.

The Tellico Dam was mostly a make-work federal jobs program. It seems Tano might have some sort of disagreement with big government running big programs for social engineering. I wonder if Tano has thought out a way to stop the government steamroller when it starts social engineering health care, hate crimes, setting wages, loaning money to &quot;deserving&quot; people, etc., etc., etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Tano takes on one of the great FDR progressive government abuses: The Tennessee Valley Authority.</p>
<p>The Tellico Dam was mostly a make-work federal jobs program. It seems Tano might have some sort of disagreement with big government running big programs for social engineering. I wonder if Tano has thought out a way to stop the government steamroller when it starts social engineering health care, hate crimes, setting wages, loaning money to &#8220;deserving&#8221; people, etc., etc., etc.</p>
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		<title>By: corwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>corwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,
 I don&#039;t think these people hate humanity. They feel whatever problems they cause  by their virtuous behavior can be fixed by the &#039;smart people&#039;. No No Problemo. 
 But consider Senator Boxer-&quot;Becaue I worked hard for this,ya know?&quot;
  Not real honest.See husband and military contracts.
 Not real modest;see,call me Senator.
 And she&#039;s certainly not bright enough to run a business,write a book people want,become a dr (or even a podiatrist) _ But she&#039;s a senator. Pretty scary world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,<br />
 I don&#8217;t think these people hate humanity. They feel whatever problems they cause  by their virtuous behavior can be fixed by the &#8216;smart people&#8217;. No No Problemo.<br />
 But consider Senator Boxer-&#8221;Becaue I worked hard for this,ya know?&#8221;<br />
  Not real honest.See husband and military contracts.<br />
 Not real modest;see,call me Senator.<br />
 And she&#8217;s certainly not bright enough to run a business,write a book people want,become a dr (or even a podiatrist) _ But she&#8217;s a senator. Pretty scary world.</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Sonicfrog, the snail darter survived because it was transplanted into another river, and survived there. It certainly would have gone extinct otherwise.

As for destroying human progress - well, that is a stretch. Truth is that there was a considerable opposition to the Tellico dam from the beginning - and much of the support for the snail darter fight came from people who cared more about stopping ill-thought-out projects than from protecting wildlife. The Tellico dam is pretty useless - producing no electricity. Its construction pretty much marked the high-water mark (so to speak) of the &quot;dam everything&quot; mindset - that inevitable stage that every successful technology reaches where people just run around applying it willy-nilly.
It was hardly a leap forward for human progress, not even a step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Sonicfrog, the snail darter survived because it was transplanted into another river, and survived there. It certainly would have gone extinct otherwise.</p>
<p>As for destroying human progress &#8211; well, that is a stretch. Truth is that there was a considerable opposition to the Tellico dam from the beginning &#8211; and much of the support for the snail darter fight came from people who cared more about stopping ill-thought-out projects than from protecting wildlife. The Tellico dam is pretty useless &#8211; producing no electricity. Its construction pretty much marked the high-water mark (so to speak) of the &#8220;dam everything&#8221; mindset &#8211; that inevitable stage that every successful technology reaches where people just run around applying it willy-nilly.<br />
It was hardly a leap forward for human progress, not even a step.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonicfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonicfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another angle to this story. From &lt;a href=&quot;http://sonicfrog.net/?p=35&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my blog&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt; I wondered what happened to the other fish that were supposed to go extinct if we didn’t destroy human progress. The snail darter, which was certain to DIE if the Tellico Dam continued to operate, has been lowered from endangered to threatened. The silvery minnow – not as well. It has continued to dwindle, and now can only be found around and between the Cochiti Dam and the Elephant Butte Reservoirs, which is the main water feed for Albuquerque.

Albuquerque, Albuquerque. Where have I seen that name before? Oh yeah, that was the city that would have been devastated by the ESA had the congress not intervened. And despite the suspension of the ESA rulings there, the fish still hangs on there, only there.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

 The previous suspensions of ESA actions have not led to the extinctions of the other endangered minnows, as one minnow is recovering, and the other, while still endangered, is thriving in the area the ESA wanted to alter, which, for all we know, could have actually done them in. And there are programs in place that are bringing the silvery minnow back from the bring, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fws.gov/Endangered/home_stories/silvery_minnows.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reintroducing it to its former habitat&lt;/a&gt;. This approach is almost certainly going to be more effective at rescuing the fish than the ESA actions could ever be..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another angle to this story. From <a href="http://sonicfrog.net/?p=35" rel="nofollow">my blog</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p> I wondered what happened to the other fish that were supposed to go extinct if we didn’t destroy human progress. The snail darter, which was certain to DIE if the Tellico Dam continued to operate, has been lowered from endangered to threatened. The silvery minnow – not as well. It has continued to dwindle, and now can only be found around and between the Cochiti Dam and the Elephant Butte Reservoirs, which is the main water feed for Albuquerque.</p>
<p>Albuquerque, Albuquerque. Where have I seen that name before? Oh yeah, that was the city that would have been devastated by the ESA had the congress not intervened. And despite the suspension of the ESA rulings there, the fish still hangs on there, only there.  </p></blockquote>
<p> The previous suspensions of ESA actions have not led to the extinctions of the other endangered minnows, as one minnow is recovering, and the other, while still endangered, is thriving in the area the ESA wanted to alter, which, for all we know, could have actually done them in. And there are programs in place that are bringing the silvery minnow back from the bring, <a href="http://www.fws.gov/Endangered/home_stories/silvery_minnows.html" rel="nofollow">reintroducing it to its former habitat</a>. This approach is almost certainly going to be more effective at rescuing the fish than the ESA actions could ever be..</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The false god of the environment is demanding more than it&#039;s pound of flesh in human sacrifice.

There is a strong strain of people who hate mankind so much they will do anything to see us fail.
Nature is more powerful than all of us. We have found ways to harness it to our purposes and that in an anathema to progressives. They would rather see millions of dead people and one live fish.
We&#039;ve seen this in Africa with starving people who are denied genetically engineered crops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The false god of the environment is demanding more than it&#8217;s pound of flesh in human sacrifice.</p>
<p>There is a strong strain of people who hate mankind so much they will do anything to see us fail.<br />
Nature is more powerful than all of us. We have found ways to harness it to our purposes and that in an anathema to progressives. They would rather see millions of dead people and one live fish.<br />
We&#8217;ve seen this in Africa with starving people who are denied genetically engineered crops.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heliotrope,

&quot;The Lord smelts those who smelt themselves.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heliotrope,</p>
<p>&#8220;The Lord smelts those who smelt themselves.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Delta Smelt</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/23/boxer-votes-to-prevent-california-farmers-from-working/comment-page-1/#comment-483888</link>
		<dc:creator>Delta Smelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] toe the left-wing environmental line than to look out for her Central Valley constituents.&quot;  Boxer Votes to Prevent California Farmers from Working   Posted by B. Daniel Blatt at 2:46 am - September 23, 2009.  Filed under: 111th Congress, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] toe the left-wing environmental line than to look out for her Central Valley constituents.&quot;  Boxer Votes to Prevent California Farmers from Working   Posted by B. Daniel Blatt at 2:46 am &#8211; September 23, 2009.  Filed under: 111th Congress, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 4Deuce</title>
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		<dc:creator>4Deuce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who read the comments on this thread will see an apt demonstration of non-government America at its best at work.... Above, a commenter known as heliotrope shows more sense and ingenuity than a roomful of government czars and both of California&#039;s Senators. Solutions to problems can be found if one takes the trouble to see. Note that heliotrope is not a blue ribbon panel and his completely doable idea involved no trip to Washington, use of focus groups, polling trial balloons or Executive consultations with SEIU, ACORN or Code Pink.

It shows how problems can be analyzed and solved by applying common sense and awareness of how the real world operates - qualities and charateristics sadly lacking in Washington DC, a city overpopulated by lawyers with no real world experience but the power to rule our lives ignorantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who read the comments on this thread will see an apt demonstration of non-government America at its best at work&#8230;. Above, a commenter known as heliotrope shows more sense and ingenuity than a roomful of government czars and both of California&#8217;s Senators. Solutions to problems can be found if one takes the trouble to see. Note that heliotrope is not a blue ribbon panel and his completely doable idea involved no trip to Washington, use of focus groups, polling trial balloons or Executive consultations with SEIU, ACORN or Code Pink.</p>
<p>It shows how problems can be analyzed and solved by applying common sense and awareness of how the real world operates &#8211; qualities and charateristics sadly lacking in Washington DC, a city overpopulated by lawyers with no real world experience but the power to rule our lives ignorantly.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alaska has a huge series of salmon ladders from which they capture the spawning salmon, raise the fry and release tons of Salmon to go out to sea. It is the backbone of the Alaska salmon industry.

Howsabout California and all the alphabet agencies grab these priceless spawning smelt and follow suit? If fire fighters can carry water by helicopter to douse the flames, they can carry huge buckets of smelt hatchlings to dump in the ocean. Think of the sea otters and seals they would feed.

Obama could appoint a Smelt Czar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alaska has a huge series of salmon ladders from which they capture the spawning salmon, raise the fry and release tons of Salmon to go out to sea. It is the backbone of the Alaska salmon industry.</p>
<p>Howsabout California and all the alphabet agencies grab these priceless spawning smelt and follow suit? If fire fighters can carry water by helicopter to douse the flames, they can carry huge buckets of smelt hatchlings to dump in the ocean. Think of the sea otters and seals they would feed.</p>
<p>Obama could appoint a Smelt Czar.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah.  I&#039;ve been watching BWEL.PK and wondering why it isn&#039;t doing better.  This may explain it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah.  I&#8217;ve been watching BWEL.PK and wondering why it isn&#8217;t doing better.  This may explain it.</p>
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