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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; The Presumption of the Know-it-All LeftDemanding conservatives apologize for rhetoric on the right, they regularly ignore (if not excuse) on the left</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; The Presumption of the Know-it-All LeftDemanding conservatives apologize for rhetoric on the right, they regularly ignore (if not excuse) on the left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his various comments to my post, The conservative violence in left-wingers’ heads, william (sic) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486541</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and i stand corrected, we did ratify aritcle IV with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/NORM/D6B53F5B5D14F35AC1256402003F9920?OpenDocument&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reservations&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and i stand corrected, we did ratify aritcle IV with <a href="http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/NORM/D6B53F5B5D14F35AC1256402003F9920?OpenDocument" rel="nofollow">reservations</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486538</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, looking up article 4 on wiki (yes I know how unreliable wiki is)
Quote:

&quot;Article 4 defines who is a Protected person: Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals. But it &lt;b&gt;explicitly excludes&lt;/b&gt; Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention... &quot;  [Emphasis in original]

So even with article IV, AQ members have no protections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, looking up article 4 on wiki (yes I know how unreliable wiki is)<br />
Quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Article 4 defines who is a Protected person: Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals. But it <b>explicitly excludes</b> Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention&#8230; &#8221;  [Emphasis in original]</p>
<p>So even with article IV, AQ members have no protections.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean A</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486534</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#65:  Now that I&#039;ve read my previous comment again, The Livewire, I&#039;m embarrassed at how prudish and puritanical it sounds.  You&#039;re so right.  What&#039;s wrong with me?  Clearly, Hollywood and the European elite have a far more developed and sophisticated sensibility regarding such matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#65:  Now that I&#8217;ve read my previous comment again, The Livewire, I&#8217;m embarrassed at how prudish and puritanical it sounds.  You&#8217;re so right.  What&#8217;s wrong with me?  Clearly, Hollywood and the European elite have a far more developed and sophisticated sensibility regarding such matters.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486454</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Sean, Roman Polanski was a visionary!  He was 30 years ahead of his time.

He was arranging for the use and abuse of minors long before ACORN did...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Sean, Roman Polanski was a visionary!  He was 30 years ahead of his time.</p>
<p>He was arranging for the use and abuse of minors long before ACORN did&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean A</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486375</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#61: &quot;In one short sentence, you’ve made it clear: you are utterly devoid of morality.&quot;

It&#039;s always such a treat to be condemned as immoral by a member of a political party that supports partial birth abortion and whose members have spent the day outraged that the L.A. District Attorney&#039;s Office has dared to make efforts to bring a fugitive anal rapist of a 13 year old girl to justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#61: &#8220;In one short sentence, you’ve made it clear: you are utterly devoid of morality.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always such a treat to be condemned as immoral by a member of a political party that supports partial birth abortion and whose members have spent the day outraged that the L.A. District Attorney&#8217;s Office has dared to make efforts to bring a fugitive anal rapist of a 13 year old girl to justice.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486334</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How many different ways can you dream up to not see this as a direct incitement to and on a direct continuum with violence?&lt;/i&gt;

There really is only one way: reality.

But given your support and endorsement of people who openly state that they “don’t regret setting bombs” and “feel (you) didn’t do enough” in the process of setting those bombs to kill people, I think we&#039;re all pretty clear on the fact that you&#039;re not at all familiar with that concept.

That&#039;s what makes your condemnation of the Oklahoma City bombers particularly amusing, william; given your Barack Obama&#039;s endorsement and support of bombing buildings, it should be obvious that the only reason you&#039;re upset is because your fellow wingnuts weren&#039;t supposed to bomb buildings when the Obama Party was in charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How many different ways can you dream up to not see this as a direct incitement to and on a direct continuum with violence?</i></p>
<p>There really is only one way: reality.</p>
<p>But given your support and endorsement of people who openly state that they “don’t regret setting bombs” and “feel (you) didn’t do enough” in the process of setting those bombs to kill people, I think we&#8217;re all pretty clear on the fact that you&#8217;re not at all familiar with that concept.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what makes your condemnation of the Oklahoma City bombers particularly amusing, william; given your Barack Obama&#8217;s endorsement and support of bombing buildings, it should be obvious that the only reason you&#8217;re upset is because your fellow wingnuts weren&#8217;t supposed to bomb buildings when the Obama Party was in charge.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, william.  I knew you had the heart of a true lib in there somewhere.  When you lose the argument, attack the person!  Good job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, william.  I knew you had the heart of a true lib in there somewhere.  When you lose the argument, attack the person!  Good job!</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486295</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3) She never says to get their guns ready; she says to keep their guns, buy more guns, and buy ammunition.

Nor does she say pull the trigger.  Nor does she actually pull the trigger.  How many different ways can you dream up to not see this as a direct incitement to and on a direct continuum with violence?

In one short sentence, you&#039;ve made it clear: you are utterly devoid of morality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3) She never says to get their guns ready; she says to keep their guns, buy more guns, and buy ammunition.</p>
<p>Nor does she say pull the trigger.  Nor does she actually pull the trigger.  How many different ways can you dream up to not see this as a direct incitement to and on a direct continuum with violence?</p>
<p>In one short sentence, you&#8217;ve made it clear: you are utterly devoid of morality.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486284</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be the first to admit &#039;we learned from Oklahoma city&#039;  We learned you don&#039;t hold fund raisers in terrorists&#039; homes.

We learned you kill them.

Now william can&#039;t point to any politician on the right endorsing, condoning or associating with terrorsits.  So he has to deflect from the last two democratic presidents who pardon terrorists (Clinton) or work hand in hand with them (Obama).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be the first to admit &#8216;we learned from Oklahoma city&#8217;  We learned you don&#8217;t hold fund raisers in terrorists&#8217; homes.</p>
<p>We learned you kill them.</p>
<p>Now william can&#8217;t point to any politician on the right endorsing, condoning or associating with terrorsits.  So he has to deflect from the last two democratic presidents who pardon terrorists (Clinton) or work hand in hand with them (Obama).</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486205</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, william, you did a fine and fabulous job of showing how liberals like yourself try to manipulate the truth.

Notice the headline on ThinkProgress:

&lt;i&gt;Right-Wing Conference Tells Activists To Get Their Guns Ready For ‘Bloody Battle’ With Obama The Nazi&lt;/i&gt;

Notice in your own quote:

1) The &quot;bloody battle&quot; quote is referring to a previous event in history, not Obama

2)  She says Hitler was a Nazi, not Obama

3) She never says to get their guns ready; she says to keep their guns, buy more guns, and buy ammunition.

Meanwhile, william is confronted with direct quotes showing that his Obama Party does not regret setting bombs and killing people, and that they did not do enough violence, and he has nothing to say.

william and his leftist friends like to talk a lot about suppressing speech. I think it&#039;s pretty obvious that all william is interested in is trying to stop conservatives from speaking with his lies and smears. It demonstrates the intellectual vapidity of the left that their only response to criticism is to ban and try to destroy those who dare disagree with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, william, you did a fine and fabulous job of showing how liberals like yourself try to manipulate the truth.</p>
<p>Notice the headline on ThinkProgress:</p>
<p><i>Right-Wing Conference Tells Activists To Get Their Guns Ready For ‘Bloody Battle’ With Obama The Nazi</i></p>
<p>Notice in your own quote:</p>
<p>1) The &#8220;bloody battle&#8221; quote is referring to a previous event in history, not Obama</p>
<p>2)  She says Hitler was a Nazi, not Obama</p>
<p>3) She never says to get their guns ready; she says to keep their guns, buy more guns, and buy ammunition.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, william is confronted with direct quotes showing that his Obama Party does not regret setting bombs and killing people, and that they did not do enough violence, and he has nothing to say.</p>
<p>william and his leftist friends like to talk a lot about suppressing speech. I think it&#8217;s pretty obvious that all william is interested in is trying to stop conservatives from speaking with his lies and smears. It demonstrates the intellectual vapidity of the left that their only response to criticism is to ban and try to destroy those who dare disagree with them.</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486170</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today&#039;s example of heated, violent right-wing rhetoric.  Kitty Werthmann comparing Obama to Hitler and urging her audience to arm up and buy ammunition at the &quot;How to Take Back America&quot; conference.  No, nothing to be alarmed about there.  Change the subject, move on.

Here&#039;s her quote for those of you who might be morally inclined to alarm:

&quot;If we had our guns, we would have fought a bloody battle. So, keep your guns, and buy more guns, and buy ammunition. [...] Take back America. Don’t let them take the country into Socialism. And I refer again, Hitler’s party was National Socialism. [...] And that’s what we are having here right now, which is bordering on Marxism.&quot;

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/28/werthmann-nazism-socialism/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s example of heated, violent right-wing rhetoric.  Kitty Werthmann comparing Obama to Hitler and urging her audience to arm up and buy ammunition at the &#8220;How to Take Back America&#8221; conference.  No, nothing to be alarmed about there.  Change the subject, move on.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s her quote for those of you who might be morally inclined to alarm:</p>
<p>&#8220;If we had our guns, we would have fought a bloody battle. So, keep your guns, and buy more guns, and buy ammunition. [...] Take back America. Don’t let them take the country into Socialism. And I refer again, Hitler’s party was National Socialism. [...] And that’s what we are having here right now, which is bordering on Marxism.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/28/werthmann-nazism-socialism/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/28/werthmann-nazism-socialism/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486167</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If school kids were singing about Ronald Reagan or George Bush, this wouldn’t even be a story.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That comes close to being the single most absurd claim I have ever read on this blog.

OF COURSE there would be a MASSIVE story and outcry, if schoolchildren were taught to sing songs about Reagan or Bush.  Get real!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If school kids were singing about Ronald Reagan or George Bush, this wouldn’t even be a story.</p></blockquote>
<p>That comes close to being the single most absurd claim I have ever read on this blog.</p>
<p>OF COURSE there would be a MASSIVE story and outcry, if schoolchildren were taught to sing songs about Reagan or Bush.  Get real!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If school kids were singing about Ronald Reagan or George Bush, this wouldn’t even be a story. In fact, as a former public school teacher myself, I seem to recall instances when school kids did sing songs about previous presidents, and no one complained about the threat to the republic.&lt;/i&gt;

Are you sure?  Why don&#039;t you do a little research.  You&#039;d find a Democratically lead Congress held hearings when Bush Sr addressed the children.  Get your facts straight.  
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If school kids were singing about Ronald Reagan or George Bush, this wouldn’t even be a story. In fact, as a former public school teacher myself, I seem to recall instances when school kids did sing songs about previous presidents, and no one complained about the threat to the republic.</i></p>
<p>Are you sure?  Why don&#8217;t you do a little research.  You&#8217;d find a Democratically lead Congress held hearings when Bush Sr addressed the children.  Get your facts straight.<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486149</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, didn&#039;t Joe Scarborough say that Clarence Thomas wasn&#039;t black enough?

&lt;blockquote&gt;And until then, North Dallas, you won’t do anything to even acknowledge the violent rhetoric of the right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

WHAT violent rhetoric? Pea-brained liberal douchebags wail and gnash their teeth about &quot;violent rhetoric of the right&quot; without EVER once providing any examples. Just what is it that we&#039;re supposed to acknowledge?

&lt;blockquote&gt;In fact, as a former public school teacher myself, I seem to recall instances when school kids did sing songs about previous presidents, and no one complained about the threat to the republic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As a former public school student from the late 70s-early 90s, I don&#039;t recall of ANY instances where we sang songs about ANY presidents. However, we were forced, every February, to sing &lt;i&gt;We Shall Overcome&lt;/i&gt; and another song I think was called &lt;i&gt;Lift Up Your Hearts and Sing&lt;/i&gt;. We also had to do book reports on Black History. Friend of mine did a book report on the Klan. I thought he was crazy, but he got an A+.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But for some reason, today’s school children are expected to completely ignore the historic nature of America’s first black president.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why should we teach children to focus on race?

&lt;blockquote&gt;And the millions of black and Latino and white children who are inspired by President Obama are supposed to shut up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who are they? Can you point out the millions? I&#039;ll bet they don&#039;t give a crap one way or the other and are more concerned with their scores on the Wii.

&lt;blockquote&gt;So, really, I have to ask: does ANYONE here want to acknowledge that there might be a danger in the heated rhetoric of the right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What &quot;heated rhetoric&quot;?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Does ANYONE want to learn from Oklahoma City?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We did. We learned that ignorant sonofabitches like yourself will try to blame whomever you want for it. It&#039;s shameful. It&#039;s disgraceful and you should be roundly criticized and ridiculed for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, didn&#8217;t Joe Scarborough say that Clarence Thomas wasn&#8217;t black enough?</p>
<blockquote><p>And until then, North Dallas, you won’t do anything to even acknowledge the violent rhetoric of the right?</p></blockquote>
<p>WHAT violent rhetoric? Pea-brained liberal douchebags wail and gnash their teeth about &#8220;violent rhetoric of the right&#8221; without EVER once providing any examples. Just what is it that we&#8217;re supposed to acknowledge?</p>
<blockquote><p>In fact, as a former public school teacher myself, I seem to recall instances when school kids did sing songs about previous presidents, and no one complained about the threat to the republic.</p></blockquote>
<p>As a former public school student from the late 70s-early 90s, I don&#8217;t recall of ANY instances where we sang songs about ANY presidents. However, we were forced, every February, to sing <i>We Shall Overcome</i> and another song I think was called <i>Lift Up Your Hearts and Sing</i>. We also had to do book reports on Black History. Friend of mine did a book report on the Klan. I thought he was crazy, but he got an A+.</p>
<blockquote><p>But for some reason, today’s school children are expected to completely ignore the historic nature of America’s first black president.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why should we teach children to focus on race?</p>
<blockquote><p>And the millions of black and Latino and white children who are inspired by President Obama are supposed to shut up.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who are they? Can you point out the millions? I&#8217;ll bet they don&#8217;t give a crap one way or the other and are more concerned with their scores on the Wii.</p>
<blockquote><p>So, really, I have to ask: does ANYONE here want to acknowledge that there might be a danger in the heated rhetoric of the right?</p></blockquote>
<p>What &#8220;heated rhetoric&#8221;?</p>
<blockquote><p>Does ANYONE want to learn from Oklahoma City?</p></blockquote>
<p>We did. We learned that ignorant sonofabitches like yourself will try to blame whomever you want for it. It&#8217;s shameful. It&#8217;s disgraceful and you should be roundly criticized and ridiculed for it.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So, really, I have to ask: does ANYONE here want to acknowledge that there might be a danger in the heated rhetoric of the right? Does ANYONE want to learn from Oklahoma City? Or are you all just going to keep jabbing fingers back?&lt;/i&gt;

If we thought that you actually cared, we might.

But what we realize is that you state outright that you &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/books/no-regrets-for-love-explosives-memoir-sorts-war-protester-talks-life-with.html?sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;don&#039;t regret setting bombs&quot; and &quot;feel (you) didn&#039;t do enough&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.

In short, you and your Barack Obama Party have no qualms with violence if it gets you your way, as we see rather convincingly from the Black Panther case, and in fact will resort to even more violence if you don&#039;t get what you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, really, I have to ask: does ANYONE here want to acknowledge that there might be a danger in the heated rhetoric of the right? Does ANYONE want to learn from Oklahoma City? Or are you all just going to keep jabbing fingers back?</i></p>
<p>If we thought that you actually cared, we might.</p>
<p>But what we realize is that you state outright that you <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/books/no-regrets-for-love-explosives-memoir-sorts-war-protester-talks-life-with.html?sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">&#8220;don&#8217;t regret setting bombs&#8221; and &#8220;feel (you) didn&#8217;t do enough&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>In short, you and your Barack Obama Party have no qualms with violence if it gets you your way, as we see rather convincingly from the Black Panther case, and in fact will resort to even more violence if you don&#8217;t get what you want.</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486098</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And until then, North Dallas, you won&#039;t do anything to even acknowledge the violent rhetoric of the right? You&#039;ll rage about the Weather Underground, but you&#039;ll gloss over Oklahoma City.  Never mind the time difference, never mind the body count disparity. 

And actually, re: New Jersey, I know it might be a bit too subtle for you, but my point was not that “someone else did it.”  I wasn’t trying to EXCUSE one action on the left by pointing to another on the right. My point was that the outrage about this teacher in New Jersey, coupled with silence in other instances of ideological intrusion, suggests that the Fox-frenzied right has a double standard at the very least.  It’s not about IF educators are giving our children political messages; it’s about WHAT KINDS of messages.  Indeed, some people wisely link the phony outrage to a much more widespread and pernicious campaign to de-legitimizie the president, at all costs.  As Keith Boykin writes (read the whole piece; I think you’ll find this is how more and more Americans are seeing you and your overblown tactics and rhetoric):

&quot;Let&#039;s be clear. This is not about school kids. This is about the conservative agenda to undermine the legitimacy of Barack Obama&#039;s presidency. Put this story in the category of the birthers, the deathers, the town brawlers, the tea baggers and the school boycotters who did not want the President of the United States speaking to their children in a classroom assembly.

If school kids were singing about Ronald Reagan or George Bush, this wouldn&#039;t even be a story. In fact, as a former public school teacher myself, I seem to recall instances when school kids did sing songs about previous presidents, and no one complained about the threat to the republic. 

But for some reason, today&#039;s school children are expected to completely ignore the historic nature of America&#039;s first black president. And the millions of black and Latino and white children who are inspired by President Obama are supposed to shut up. 

No, this is not a &quot;controversy&quot; about education. This is an example of how the right-wing cleverly manipulates the media with their feigned outrage about anything Obama. Even more troubling, this controversy demonstrates how the right is willing to undermine democracy itself to achieve its political aims.&quot;

http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2009/09/kids-obama-and-politics-002304.php

So, really, I have to ask: does ANYONE here want to acknowledge that there might be a danger in the heated rhetoric of the right?  Does ANYONE want to learn from Oklahoma City? Or are you all just going to keep jabbing fingers back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And until then, North Dallas, you won&#8217;t do anything to even acknowledge the violent rhetoric of the right? You&#8217;ll rage about the Weather Underground, but you&#8217;ll gloss over Oklahoma City.  Never mind the time difference, never mind the body count disparity. </p>
<p>And actually, re: New Jersey, I know it might be a bit too subtle for you, but my point was not that “someone else did it.”  I wasn’t trying to EXCUSE one action on the left by pointing to another on the right. My point was that the outrage about this teacher in New Jersey, coupled with silence in other instances of ideological intrusion, suggests that the Fox-frenzied right has a double standard at the very least.  It’s not about IF educators are giving our children political messages; it’s about WHAT KINDS of messages.  Indeed, some people wisely link the phony outrage to a much more widespread and pernicious campaign to de-legitimizie the president, at all costs.  As Keith Boykin writes (read the whole piece; I think you’ll find this is how more and more Americans are seeing you and your overblown tactics and rhetoric):</p>
<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s be clear. This is not about school kids. This is about the conservative agenda to undermine the legitimacy of Barack Obama&#8217;s presidency. Put this story in the category of the birthers, the deathers, the town brawlers, the tea baggers and the school boycotters who did not want the President of the United States speaking to their children in a classroom assembly.</p>
<p>If school kids were singing about Ronald Reagan or George Bush, this wouldn&#8217;t even be a story. In fact, as a former public school teacher myself, I seem to recall instances when school kids did sing songs about previous presidents, and no one complained about the threat to the republic. </p>
<p>But for some reason, today&#8217;s school children are expected to completely ignore the historic nature of America&#8217;s first black president. And the millions of black and Latino and white children who are inspired by President Obama are supposed to shut up. </p>
<p>No, this is not a &#8220;controversy&#8221; about education. This is an example of how the right-wing cleverly manipulates the media with their feigned outrage about anything Obama. Even more troubling, this controversy demonstrates how the right is willing to undermine democracy itself to achieve its political aims.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2009/09/kids-obama-and-politics-002304.php" rel="nofollow">http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2009/09/kids-obama-and-politics-002304.php</a></p>
<p>So, really, I have to ask: does ANYONE here want to acknowledge that there might be a danger in the heated rhetoric of the right?  Does ANYONE want to learn from Oklahoma City? Or are you all just going to keep jabbing fingers back?</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-2/#comment-486086</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Note that he draws an instructive parallel to the failure of many in the Black left in the 60’s not to call out violent rhetoric (and lots of other examples of failures of the left) with what’s been happening today on the right.&lt;/i&gt; 

An &quot;instructive parallel&quot; that is a bunch of hooey, because he and his fellow leftists &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; fully support and endorse the Black Panthers and violence&lt;/a&gt;.

When Crouch and his Obama Party put their money where their mouth is and demand that their fellow black racists be punished, then they can demonstrate that they have anything more than words. But as it stands, both Crouch and Obama are liars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Note that he draws an instructive parallel to the failure of many in the Black left in the 60’s not to call out violent rhetoric (and lots of other examples of failures of the left) with what’s been happening today on the right.</i> </p>
<p>An &#8220;instructive parallel&#8221; that is a bunch of hooey, because he and his fellow leftists <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html" rel="nofollow"> fully support and endorse the Black Panthers and violence</a>.</p>
<p>When Crouch and his Obama Party put their money where their mouth is and demand that their fellow black racists be punished, then they can demonstrate that they have anything more than words. But as it stands, both Crouch and Obama are liars.</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
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		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is another link, to Stanley Crouch in the New York Daily News, that makes a similar point.  Note that he draws an instructive parallel to the failure of many in the Black left in the 60’s not to call out violent rhetoric (and lots of other examples of failures of the left) with what’s been happening today on the right.  He doesn’t make this comparison to EXCUSE the inaction/cowardice of the right; he makes the comparison to encourage a DIFFERENT course on the right.  It’s called trying to learn from history, instead of petulantly repeating it! (see above response by Livewire for what I’m referring to).  Here’s the link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/09/28/2009-09-28_a_ringmaster_may_have_emerged_to_tame_the_party_loons_.html

And a quote: “It all comes down to something simple. Once the circus animals take over, look out. The clowns could ignite the tent in order to get into their good graces and receive the toxic tumult heard in their growls and shrieks of support.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another link, to Stanley Crouch in the New York Daily News, that makes a similar point.  Note that he draws an instructive parallel to the failure of many in the Black left in the 60’s not to call out violent rhetoric (and lots of other examples of failures of the left) with what’s been happening today on the right.  He doesn’t make this comparison to EXCUSE the inaction/cowardice of the right; he makes the comparison to encourage a DIFFERENT course on the right.  It’s called trying to learn from history, instead of petulantly repeating it! (see above response by Livewire for what I’m referring to).  Here’s the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/09/28/2009-09-28_a_ringmaster_may_have_emerged_to_tame_the_party_loons_.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/09/28/2009-09-28_a_ringmaster_may_have_emerged_to_tame_the_party_loons_.html</a></p>
<p>And a quote: “It all comes down to something simple. Once the circus animals take over, look out. The clowns could ignite the tent in order to get into their good graces and receive the toxic tumult heard in their growls and shrieks of support.”</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/27/the-conservative-violence-in-left-wingers-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-486079</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;OTOH, I can point out that President Obama doesn’t hate all white people. After all he palls around with terrorists regardless of the colour of their skin.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, the only reason Obama supports Ayers is because Ayer&#039;s group &lt;a href=&quot;http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZWEwNWI4ZmU1N2E1OGVlZWIwZjVjNmQ2NWIwMzRlOGM=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;also preaches racism&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;Convinced that all whites were born tainted with the original sin of “skin privilege,” the ﬁghting brigade of the New Left internalized racialist thinking as hatred of their own whiteness. “All white babies are pigs,” declared one Weatherman. On one occasion the feminist poet Robin Morgan was breast-feeding her son at the ofﬁces of the radical journal Rat. A Weatherwoman saw this and told her, “You have no right to have that pig male baby.” “How can you say that?” Morgan asked. “What should I do?” “Put it in the garbage,” the Weatherwoman answered.

Bernadine Dohrn [Ayers&#039; wife], an acid-loving University of Chicago law student turned revolutionary, reﬂected the widespread New Left fascination with the serial-killing hippie Übermensch Charles Manson. “Dig It! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!” In appreciation, her Weather Underground cell made a three-ﬁngered “fork” gesture its ofﬁcial salute.&lt;/i&gt;

So it can be safely said that Obama only supports those white people who hate their own whiteness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>OTOH, I can point out that President Obama doesn’t hate all white people. After all he palls around with terrorists regardless of the colour of their skin.</i></p>
<p>Actually, the only reason Obama supports Ayers is because Ayer&#8217;s group <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZWEwNWI4ZmU1N2E1OGVlZWIwZjVjNmQ2NWIwMzRlOGM=" rel="nofollow">also preaches racism</a>.</p>
<p><i>Convinced that all whites were born tainted with the original sin of “skin privilege,” the ﬁghting brigade of the New Left internalized racialist thinking as hatred of their own whiteness. “All white babies are pigs,” declared one Weatherman. On one occasion the feminist poet Robin Morgan was breast-feeding her son at the ofﬁces of the radical journal Rat. A Weatherwoman saw this and told her, “You have no right to have that pig male baby.” “How can you say that?” Morgan asked. “What should I do?” “Put it in the garbage,” the Weatherwoman answered.</p>
<p>Bernadine Dohrn [Ayers' wife], an acid-loving University of Chicago law student turned revolutionary, reﬂected the widespread New Left fascination with the serial-killing hippie Übermensch Charles Manson. “Dig It! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!” In appreciation, her Weather Underground cell made a three-ﬁngered “fork” gesture its ofﬁcial salute.</i></p>
<p>So it can be safely said that Obama only supports those white people who hate their own whiteness.</p>
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