Inconvenient Obama Truths
In no particular order:
- More than one-third of all US casualties in Afghanistan have happened since Obama took the oath of office (Oct 2001 to Dec 2008 versus Jan-Sept 2009)
- Job losses in the USA have gone up significantly SINCE Obama signed his “stimulus package”
UPDATE from USA TODAY:
Fourteen of the top federal agencies responsible for spending under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act say they’ve hired about 3,000 workers with stimulus money. That’s helped fuel the continued growth of the federal government, which increased by more than 25,000 employees, or 1.3%, since December 2008, according to the latest quarterly report. During that time, the ranks of the nation’s unemployed increased by nearly 4 million, Labor Department statistics show. - There has been no significant progress on gay rights since Obama took the oath of office. And Obama shares the same view on gay marriage as President Bush. And Dick Cheney is more progressive on gay marriage than Obama is.
- Obama is responsible for more government spending than all of his previous Presidents’ spending combined
- The only political violence in 2009 has come from left-wing radicals, not conservatives
- Gitmo will still be open in February 2010
- Transparency by the Obama Administration is a hollow talking point, not policy
- We have still not withdrawn from Iraq, despite the withdrawal agreement that President Bush reached with the Iraqi government
- Obama is getting the same intelligence from the same intelligence agency on Iran that Bush did on Iraq
- Based on a variety of public polling, Obama is the most divisive President since Richard Nixon
- No American President in this nation’s history has ever so frequently expressed his sorrow at being its leader
I’m sure I’ve missed something….
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
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I’m not sure about the political violence one. Indications are looking grim on this postal worker situation, and I think Tiller’s death could easily be considered political violence by conservatives.
Quite right on the rest though.
Comment by Tim — September 28, 2009 @ 2:24 pm - September 28, 2009
I can list 20 things I’m upset with our young President for. None are as serious as his inexcuseable delay at protecting and helping our troops in Afganistan. His choice to lead the men and women in that theatre asked for more troops ONE MONTH ago!!!! 48,000 more in a surge to turn the tide of battle in Afganistan. Our current administration is playin politics with the lives of our soldiers. Obama has convinced his hirelings to not publically forward the request as he “studies” the situation. Our men and women in arms are being shot at and killed while their commander in cheif dawdles and delays wondering what to do. It’s inexcusable. Man up Mr President, make a decision!!! Chicken. Coward. Liberal Democrat. I’m embarassed.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — September 28, 2009 @ 2:26 pm - September 28, 2009
Point taken on the Census worker (I assume that’s what you meant). Remains to be seen if it was true political violence.
There has been PUBLIC political violence against conservatives however. A bitten-off finger, lots of roughed up people.
And I of course had the lovely G-20 Protestors in mind, contrasted with the peaceful Tea Party protestors on 9/12.
Comment by GayPatriot — September 28, 2009 @ 2:29 pm - September 28, 2009
Yes, Bruce. In relation to the Tiller incident, the same day a Muslim extremists shot 2 American servicemen at a recruitment center, and the only people who seemed to give two shits were “Fox News” and Sarah Palin.
If one American whacko right winger goes depraved and kills a census worker, well then we’re all crazy. But if 19 Muslims fly 2 planes into WTC and you want to pay more scrutiny to Muslims or men of Middle Eastern descent in airports, well you’re a racist.
In other news, may I suggest some sort of posts on the recent Ron Paul appearance @ University of Minnesota? Sullivan actually has a decent post about the internal divide between conservatives and libertarians in the GOP. Also, considering we’re awaiting some sort of word on whether this census deal was drug related, I’ve seen on posts recently on “The War on Drugs”. As a libertarian I’m pretty open to decriminalizing marijuana, and considering we’ve seen 14,000 (including 1,000 cops) deaths on the border in just the last couple of years, one would think this a timely topic.
Comment by Tim — September 28, 2009 @ 2:42 pm - September 28, 2009
Here’s a few I would have added.
- The Department of Justice is now an arm of the Democrat’s political operations, dropping charges against allies (Black Panthers, Bill Richardson) while conducting politically-motivated investigations of CIA interrogators.
- Despite claims of moderation and centrism, the president has surrounded himself with advisers – Van Jones, Cass Susstein, John Holdren, Mark Lloyd – from the extreme fringe of the left.
- He is the first president to side with Marxist dictators (Chavez, Morales, and Castro) against an American ally, Honduras.
- He has fired or threatened to fire Inspectors General who expose the corruption of his cronies
- He has proposed or enacted exactly zero policies based on free market principles.
Comment by V the K — September 28, 2009 @ 2:50 pm - September 28, 2009
“There has been PUBLIC political violence against conservatives however. A bitten-off finger, lots of roughed up people.”
Hah!, yeah the finger got bitten off when a rightwing thug put it (along with the other four, neatly wrapped up as a fist) in someone’s face. But in wingnut logic-land, this counts as an aggression from the left!
And hey, since that happened in public, it even trumps a murder.
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 3:22 pm - September 28, 2009
If one American whacko right winger goes depraved and kills a census worker, well then we’re all crazy. But if 19 Muslims fly 2 planes into WTC and you want to pay more scrutiny to Muslims or men of Middle Eastern descent in airports, well you’re a racist.
EXCELLENT point, Tim. I was having a similar thought after I commented.
I may do a later posting on this incident… but am waiting to see more facts and less speculation on the death of the Census worker.
Comment by GayPatriot — September 28, 2009 @ 3:24 pm - September 28, 2009
Tano –
Relative to my comment #7 — you do not have all of the facts. I could murder someone today and write “right wing nut” on them — doesn’t mean I’m a wacko liberal now does it?
Let’s leave it today that it is a FACT that there more historical incidents (my lifetime) of liberal violence and unrest than right-wing violence and unrest.
And Tano — complete denial much of left wing protests that ALWAYS turn violent at the G-8/20 meetings?
Comment by GayPatriot — September 28, 2009 @ 3:26 pm - September 28, 2009
“Let’s leave it today that it is a FACT that there more historical incidents (my lifetime) of liberal violence and unrest than right-wing violence and unrest.”
I am not prepared to argue about the number of events, since I just don’t know. But there sure as hell are very many more dead bodies as a result of rightwing violence.
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 3:30 pm - September 28, 2009
You sound like our President who assumes that all white cops are “stupid”.
You are wrong in the facts — just admit (as you did) that YOU DON’T KNOW — and move along.
Comment by GayPatriot — September 28, 2009 @ 3:32 pm - September 28, 2009
“More than one-third of all US casualties in Afghanistan have happened since Obama took the oath of office”
Sadly, thats what happens when you actually fight a war, rather than carry on a seven year holding pattern, while the situation deteriorates, because you want to start a different war somewhere else.
“Job losses in the USA have gone up significantly SINCE Obama signed his “stimulus package””
Obviously. As anyone who understands how business cycles work could tell you. The economy has not only stopped falling, it has started growing – the stock markets are up 50% since March, and everyone knows that employment lags in a recovery.
“Obama is responsible for more government spending than all of his previous Presidents’ spending combined”
What on earth can that sentence possibly mean?
“Gitmo will still be open in February 2010″
So? He is committed to closing it, and the process is underway.
“We have still not withdrawn from Iraq, despite the withdrawal agreement that President Bush reached with the Iraqi government”
Do you have any idea what that agreement says? Pray tell, how exactly has its terms been violated?
“Based on a variety of public polling, Obama is the most divisive President since Richard Nixon”
Or the opposition is the most absolutist, and the most inclined to simply continue the campaign, and be unwilling to do anything for the good of the country.
“No American President in this nation’s history has ever so frequently expressed his sorrow at being its leader”
Huh? Now that just makes no sense at all.
Is this like a good days work or something? Lets find a dozen silly insults to hurl at the President?
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 3:39 pm - September 28, 2009
“You sound like our President who assumes that all white cops are “stupid”.”
Huh? Where does that come from?
First off, he never called ANY cop stupid. He said a particular arrest was stupid, and it undoubtedly was – unless you are a fan of the type of fascist regime where you get arrested for no legal reason, just for having mouthed off to a cop.
“You are wrong in the facts ”
Oh really, Just which facts did I write that I am wrong about?
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 3:43 pm - September 28, 2009
Tano- Your comments at #11 are completely ridiculous. I will only tackle one of the many Kool-Aid statements you made.
A STIMULUS, by definition, is supposed to STIMULATE the economy.
THIS STIMULUS was, by Obama/Biden’s definition, supposed to STIMULATE JOB CREATION!
TanoFAIL.
Comment by GayPatriot — September 28, 2009 @ 3:58 pm - September 28, 2009
Huh?
An economy in freefall, is now growing.
A stock market in freefall is now up 50%.
Sorry Bruce, but to anyone but a extremist partisan, this is solid evidence of an economy stimulated.
Surely you understand why it is that employment always lags in a recovery? There is considerable capacity for more work in the present workforce – and employers will not hire until they are very sure that the future is one of stable growth – and, of course, as a lot of people start accumulating wealth again, they will save some greater percentage of it, and pay off debt, before spending – and thus the need for jobs to be filled lags.
But you are certainly smart enough, and follow the news enough to understand all this. Why play these hyper-partisan games, where you take everything to absurd extremes, which no one believes, or pretend that you don’t understand obvious things, just to make a point? Who do you think buys your points other than your fellow extremists?
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 4:20 pm - September 28, 2009
See? That proves that government creates jobs. It proves that government is superior to the private sector! If only we taxed people at 100%, and had all jobs be government jobs, then our prosperity would be infinite! We’d be riding rainbows and unicorns! It would be the Dear Leader’s greatest triumph! It has worked in Cuba, in North Korea and the former Soviet Union!
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 4:21 pm - September 28, 2009
And please, I really am curious about this one.
““Obama is responsible for more government spending than all of his previous Presidents’ spending combined”
What planet?
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 4:22 pm - September 28, 2009
Tano-
You are wrong. Most economists say that the 4 millions jobs lost (unlike in 1981-83 and 1991-93 recessions) are gone for good.
Green jobs will not replace manufacturing jobs in working America.
Comment by GayPatriot — September 28, 2009 @ 4:24 pm - September 28, 2009
August unemployment and real estate figures tell a different story. But I sure hope you are right. Because, given Obama’s mad policies, the economy (and the country) must inevitably go off a cliff. We are perched on the edge of it right now. All it would take is for the Japanese or Chinese to wise up and stop buying our bonds. And sooner or later, they will. And I want Obama to be unable to blame it on Bush. Given that it must happen and there is nothing I can do about it, I would rather get it over with – but I would also like it delayed just long enough that the blame will fall on Obama, as well it ought to.
… because of Obama-Bernanke’s insane monetary policy, and before it takes the next step off the cliff.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 4:32 pm - September 28, 2009
I’d love an explanation of this steaming pile:
How do you reckon?
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 28, 2009 @ 4:34 pm - September 28, 2009
…because so-called “green jobs” as we now know them, are essentially government-subsidized, political-bullshit “jobs”.
If they discovered some great new energy source (think, say, a 10x improvement in solar power), that would help the economy. But because it would be a fundamental *improvement in production* (in this case, energy production). Not because of its alleged “green-ness”. And we’re nowhere near it. In the mean time, the so-called “green jobs” we have are just worthless enough that the government must mandate and/or subsidize them to keep them afloat.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 4:36 pm - September 28, 2009
#19 – Dow 6500 (March) is now Dow 9700, a near-50% gain.
Of course, that’s still down from Dow 11,500 before investors started to catch on that Obama really might be elected. And it’s barely up from Dow 9,000, when Obama was elected. And it’s driven by an insane and unsustainable policy of 0% interest rates; it’s not justified by actual growth in economic output or company earnings. And when measured in gold, well, the less said, the better for Tano. One Dow unit was worth 44 ounces of gold in 2000; today it is worth barely nine.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 4:41 pm - September 28, 2009
Sadly, thats what happens when you actually fight a war
Actually, no, Tano; you and your Barack Obama argued that increased casualty amounts indicated incompetence and failure previously when you were talking about Iraq.
Furthermore, you and your Barack Obama argued that high unemployment (aka just over half of what we’re seeing now) meant that the economy was in “recession”, regardless of any other figure or indicator, during the Bush administration.
Your Barack Obama doesn’t seem to be able to apply things consistently. Why is that? Why does your Barack Obama have two standards for behavior, such as his insistence that protests at town halls are “violent” but that screaming at and making threats of harm against a police officer are not violent, based on the skin color of the person?
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 28, 2009 @ 4:42 pm - September 28, 2009
‘given Obama’s mad policies, the economy (and the country) must inevitably go off a cliff.”
Hmmm. Methnks we have a prediction here. Always respect a man willing to put his reputation on the line. I’ll make sure not to forget this one.
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 5:16 pm - September 28, 2009
Is the stock market really a good measure of the economy? Firing workers and cutting costs is great for stock holders, horrible for the people who now are unemployed.
Really, following the DJIA daily like it’s some pulse of the economy is foolish at best, ignorant at worst. I know the media, most of whom haven’t ever taken an Econ class in their life love to quote the magically numbers minute by minute, but it’s really not that great an indicator of things.
Comment by Tim — September 28, 2009 @ 5:34 pm - September 28, 2009
#23 – Tano, your memory is pretty short, isn’t it? We went over my predictions in August.
Interesting, though, that that point of mine was the one thing you chose to respond to.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 5:48 pm - September 28, 2009
“it’s really not that great an indicator of things.”
Well, it is an indicator of the extent to which investors have optimism and confidence in the near-to-medium term future – i.e the time frame when their investments will either make them some money or wipe them out.
So yeah, all those who have been bidding up the Dow by 50% are very much casting an opposite bet from ILC’s prediction. If the economy is heading off a cliff, all that money will be lost.
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 5:54 pm - September 28, 2009
(#25 continued) As for the “why” of it, Tano:: You can start with the fact that in one fiscal year, 2009 alone, Obama and the Democrats have increased the national debt by $1.6 trillion.
And yes, it was their choice and their responsibility. In ‘08, they (Democrats) left the ‘09 budget open specially so that they could modify it in ‘09. They had a chance in January to slash government spending, which is what Obama promised on the campaign trail. Instead, they chose to open the spending floodgates. Obama is on track to single-handedly add more to the national debt than all the Presidents who preceded him, combined. I’m pretty sure that’s what Bruce meant, in the remark you questioned at #16.
We have already borrowed far more than we can ever pay back. For other countries to loan us more money is stupid, on their part. Perhaps they are hoping to one day own us? I don’t know. I do know that when they stop lending us the money for Obama’s deficits, his house-of-cards economy must crumble, with dire increases (from where we are now) in both inflation and unemployment. And that will happen sometime in the next 5 years, possibly even starting in as little as 2 months. If it doesn’t happen before 2012, Obama gets re-elected; but regardless, one way or another, it will happen, and consume his Presidency when it does. There are only 3 ways Obama can hope to get out of it:
1) Bring his spending programs to a screeching halt RIGHT NOW.
2) Resign.
3) Start a war.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 6:02 pm - September 28, 2009
ILC,
I didn’t respond to the rest because I didnt take the rest very seriously. Did you mean it that way?
Do you really think that government pushing green technology is a waste? Like the way that the government pushed the space program? Or the way the government sustains defense industries? I am sure it is a very high percentage of the technological innovations, and hi-tech jobs that we have today were originally subsidized by the government in one manner or the other. This is nothing new.
‘that’s still down from Dow 11,500 before investors started to catch on that Obama really might be elected.”
Now that was obviously a snark joke, right? Or do you have some new theory as to why we had a great recession?
“it’s not justified by actual growth in economic output or company earnings.”
But the economy IS growing. And, as I suspect you know, investments are justified by a guess about future earnings, not about past or present ones.
‘And when measured in gold, well, the less said, the better…”
Period. Like we really care about the vageries in price of any single commodity?
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 6:03 pm - September 28, 2009
Not at all. You haven’t understood my comments, if you think that. See my #21 and try to put your thinking cap on.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 6:04 pm - September 28, 2009
Didn’t I say exactly that? Jeez, Tano, can you read at all?
Defense is one of the legitimate functions of government; one of the very, very few things that only government can do (and should do). (The other 2 being police and courts.)
Oh, you’re asserted it twice now. That’s full proof. You’ve changed my mind. Once you say the same thing twice, of course your having done so means that you are 100% right and needn’t cite any facts.
Perhaps I should play the same game and say my comments twice? Here is my response to the claim “But the economy IS growing”:
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 6:10 pm - September 28, 2009
Didn’t the messiah state that it was about as meaningless as an opinion poll?
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 28, 2009 @ 6:10 pm - September 28, 2009
Has anyone taken one of these threads and asked rhetoric students to tidy up Tano’s mendacious remarks and then create a valid argument from what remains?
Dealing with a full time eel is slippery business, but when you have to staple Jello to a pit bull’s testicles to catch the eel, you have more than a hand full. However, I notice that when you repeat Tano’s hallucinations to him word for word and then ask a simple question which forces him to box himself in, he magically vaporizes.
Comment by heliotrope — September 28, 2009 @ 6:52 pm - September 28, 2009
Well, it is an indicator of the extent to which investors have optimism and confidence in the near-to-medium term future – i.e the time frame when their investments will either make them some money or wipe them out.
It is always amusing to me to watch Obama Party members shriek about stock price manipulation and how people are artificially pumping up the price of stock, only to bail out when it reaches a certain point and leave others holding the bag — and then try to argue that stock prices are some kind of gold standard.
Either they are easily manipulated to be good when they’re not, or they’re not easily manipulated and therefore don’t need all the regulations the Obama Party wants to put on them. Make up your minds.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 28, 2009 @ 7:05 pm - September 28, 2009
heliotrope, give us another demonstration
NDT, great point. With lefties, stock prices are proof of the evil of capitalism, no matter what direction they’re headed in or what level they’ve reached – Until they aren’t. (Until they are needed as some sort of proof of the Dear Reader’s greatness.)
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 7:30 pm - September 28, 2009
“Not at all. You haven’t understood my comments, if you think that. See my #21″
Huh? Your comment in #21 utterly fails to offer an alternative explanation for why the Dow is up 50% in six months. You assure us it is somehow not based on anything real, or that somehow comparing it to gold will reveal something or whatever….
Bottom line is – people with money to invest (and one might imagine being somewhat wary and cautious, given recent history) are bidding up the value of stocks in a very robust manner. These are bets regarding the near future of those companies. People invest money because they think the business will earn them dividends, and even more importantly, the value of the stock will go up. These are bets on a robust recovery.
They are the exact opposite prediction from yours. If you cant understand that, then you understand nothing about economics.
Hey, maybe you are putting your money in the market at the same time you are predicting that we are all going off a cliff? Yes?
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 8:21 pm - September 28, 2009
“Defense is one of the legitimate functions of government”
Thats a very different issue. The question before us is whether government investment in certain industries are effective means to build those industries up until they can sustain themselves in the marketplace – and whether government investment in research and development can produce all manner of technological innovations that have many diverse applications in other fields.
That has very much been the case in defense industries, in the space program, in computer science, and can certainly be the case in energy efficiency industries. Whether or not you think that SHOULD be done, is besides the point.
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 8:26 pm - September 28, 2009
> But the economy IS growing. <
“Oh, you’re asserted it twice now. That’s full proof.”
Alright, wait a week or so till 3Q numbers come in. Wanna make a bet?
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 8:28 pm - September 28, 2009
“Obama is an arrogant twat” . Not my words. From my English GF.
She is a proper Lady mind you, but after she learned a bit more…that was the most polite thing she uttered.
Not out of pure meanness and spite, but in regards to Obama’s foreign policy. And she doesn’t even like Gordon Brown. And she’s a self-described socialist…who’s a nurse for the NHS. Go figger.
Also, sorry, but you forgot to include the whole ‘Obama :-X’s Commie Dictators’ bit to yer list.
Comment by Keapon Laffin — September 28, 2009 @ 8:36 pm - September 28, 2009
Remember when lefties used to accuse Bush of running a “jobless recovery”? Well then, Obama is running a *job-destroying* recovery. Because, Tano claims, it is a recovery. Yet the mass layoffs continue to mount:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/28/job-seeker-job-opening-ratio-worst-in-decade/
See heliotrope’s apt description of you at #32, Tano. Also see my comments at #18 and #30. Then put on your thinking cap.
Oh heck, I know you don’t have one, so I’ll give you a hint. Why would I want to bet the economy isn’t growing, *when I have expressed my fervent personal hope, TWICE now, that it IS growing?* (I put it in *bold stars* so that maybe you will read it this time, Tano.)
Bzzzzzzzt. Wrong again. Reading, Tano. Reading. And thinking. Give ‘em a try.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 8:37 pm - September 28, 2009
‘Why would I want to bet the economy isn’t growing, *when I have expressed my fervent personal hope, TWICE now, that it IS growing?”
Huh? What kind of logic is this? I have a fervent personal hope that Republicans fail to gain a single seat in 2010. But no, I am not prepared to bet on it.
Since when does hoping for an outcome equate to thinking that it will happen?
Lets remember here what YOU just wrote, above:
Tano: ” But the economy IS growing.”
ILC:”Oh, you’re asserted it twice now. That’s full proof. You’ve changed my mind. Once you say the same thing twice, of course your having done so means that you are 100% right and needn’t cite any facts.”
Now you are trying to say that this indicates that you were AGREEING with me?
(i think it is time for you to stop digging…)
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 8:57 pm - September 28, 2009
Should I add more stars? Would that do the trick? Here it is again, with more stars:
Leave it to a leftie and an intellectually dishonest person (but I repeat myself), to demand that a person should bet against their own hopes and stated wishes.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 9:08 pm - September 28, 2009
But no one is asking you to bet on it. Least of all, asking you to actively bet -against- your personal hope. Get a freaking clue, Tano.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 9:10 pm - September 28, 2009
What I find amazing is – liberals hate Capitalism. They see it as the root of all of our problems. Yet, in their efforts to show that Obama is good for the economy, the liberals are the first to point out any positive change in the stock market. Um, isn’t the stock market the “nervous system” of a Capitalist economy? Hell, maybe it’s the heartbeat!
Comment by BC — September 28, 2009 @ 9:14 pm - September 28, 2009
So correct ILC, at the beginning of the year my company had to lay off 50 people. I have spent the spring and summer re-working computer systems so that those left, can support that reduction in workforce and although or job inventory has not declined in the past few months, it has not regained anywhere close to the level it was at last year. The company is surviving; however, it had to cut and continues to look for ways to cut overhead to do it. As a result of the re-engineering of systems, those jobs will probably never come back. Yup, it is a job-destroying recovery.
Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — September 28, 2009 @ 9:16 pm - September 28, 2009
‘Leave it to a leftie and an intellectually dishonest person (but I repeat myself), to demand that a person should bet against their own hopes and stated wishes.’
This is getting comical.
You love capitalism? My god, young man (and damn, you must be very young) – here is a life lesson for you. Do not go out and play capitalist with your own money, making investments based on your hopes and wishes.
Because I can assure you, the people who are bidding up the Dow are not doing so. They may not be correct about the future, but they sure as hell try their best to make valid predictions, irrespective of their hopes and wishes.
So let get clear now. You agree that the economy is growing? All that nonsense about me saying things twice and thinking that proves something – all that talk was a big distraction?
When you said, about the Dow going up – “it’s not justified by actual growth in economic output”, you didnt mean to say that the economy is not growing?
When I first said the economy is growing, and you replied “August unemployment and real estate figures tell a different story.” – you didnt mean to say that the economy is NOT growing?
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 9:22 pm - September 28, 2009
‘Yup, it is a job-destroying recovery.”
Could you elaborate a bit Steve? Your explanation seems to indicate that it is the recession that was job-destroying. You laid people off in the beginning of the year. And you found ways to be more productive.
How does that make the recovery job-destroying?
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 9:40 pm - September 28, 2009
Read ILC’s comments…and you will understand…think back on discussions on other threads in this forum on this very site and you will understand.
Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — September 28, 2009 @ 9:48 pm - September 28, 2009
Please–don’t forget–Michelle’s clothes!!! I expect her to come out in a housecoat and curlers one of these days.
Comment by Ashpenaz — September 28, 2009 @ 9:55 pm - September 28, 2009
In other words, you mispoke.
You guys are amazing. Is there some pathological process going on here where you can’t speak clearly without making exaggerrated and downright absurd claims, and then don’t have the integrity to admit it when you are wrong?
Are you so terrified of admitting error – to a liberal!!! – Do you think that if you admit error once, then you can never claim to be correct about anything ever again?
Relax. Forget about producing more and more insults and over-the-top propaganda, and try to have normal conversations for a change.
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 9:56 pm - September 28, 2009
#48 was in response to #46
Comment by Tano — September 28, 2009 @ 9:57 pm - September 28, 2009
You are a laugh a minute Tano. There you go again….
Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — September 28, 2009 @ 9:59 pm - September 28, 2009
Tano, how dumb are you?
As I’ve said now over and over and over,
- August numbers don’t lend themselves to the theory that the economy is growing.
- Stock valuations have run far ahead of companies’ actual earnings, and the growth statistics we’ve had up to this point.
- But I fervently hope the economy does grow for a few quarters, like starting now, before the other shoe drops.
How could I make the above clearer? Should I say it in German? Italian? Chinese? Should I write a picture story and submit it to a children’s magazine?
ROFL! (all the way to the bank!
)
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 28, 2009 @ 10:18 pm - September 28, 2009
Tano keeps reminding us that the stock market is up. Of course it is. With the devaluing of the dollar, the only way one can protect your savings is to buy stock or real estate.
Comment by John W — September 29, 2009 @ 12:39 am - September 29, 2009
#9: “I am not prepared to argue about the number of events, since I just don’t know. But there sure as hell are very many more dead bodies as a result of rightwing violence.”
I’m late to this discussion, but the quote above from Tano tells me everything I need to know about the sophistication of the arguments coming from the sock puppet side of the debate. He doesn’t know the number of “events,” but he’s apparently taken the time to do a body count and there are “very many more dead bodies” resulting from right wing violence. Okay, Tano. Whatever you say. “Very many more.” We got it.
Comment by Sean A — September 29, 2009 @ 2:02 am - September 29, 2009
Exactly. 0% interest rates punish savers, i.e., holders of dollars. “Quantitative easing” punishes them further, redistributing stored purchasing power (i.e., wealth) from savers to debtors. And to the U.S. government, like a massive stealth tax. Smart money has little choice but to buy stocks and real estate, even if they are also returning almost nothing. That, plus of course the increase of government power / ability to spend, is the point of the policy.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 29, 2009 @ 2:20 am - September 29, 2009
And a society that punishes its savers (including the foreign bondholders upon which it has grown highly dependent), and actively creates new speculative bubbles (while pretending not to), and rewards its corrupt fatcats (instead of letting free markets send them to Hell) is a society about to take a step off the cliff.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 29, 2009 @ 2:28 am - September 29, 2009
“Oh, you’re asserted it twice now.” – Ridiculous Liberal Troll.
“Hah!, yeah the finger got bitten off when a rightwing thug put it (along with the other four, neatly wrapped up as a fist) in someone’s face.” – Typical liberal who thinks crossing the street to get in an old man’s face is okay.
It’s also good for the MunchOn.orgers to cover up for the guy.
A hallmark of the liberal troll, aside from never having a worthy website of their own, is the penchant for writing out “Oh”. “Ah”, “Aha” and other “sounds.”
Also, the typical liberal troll will go down various rabbit trails to “hear” themselves “talk.” As the host and others accommodate the troll, the troll continues on blathering with “Ha” and “This is getting comical.”
They have no real point, other than getting someone to “surrender,” so they hang around (troll) until they are bored or finally embarrassed in the fashion they are so used to in social settings.
Many are tight lipped is social settings, their social retardation all to evident when they burst out with the stupidest ideas and are laughed at by others. They fester in their little worlds and go home to play WoW and pester real bloggers, writers and admins.
Reading one troll is the same as all trolls. It’s like welcoming someone into your home and they blurt out “this place sucks” and then they crap on the rug.
It is a sad creature whose social awkwardness is inflicted upon the online world. 99% of the time a male and usually sexually inexperienced, they vent their frustrations out on those who challenge the State, yet never offer a solution of their own, which is why they never have any good blogs or sites of their own.
They insist that their leaders have it right, no matter how many times said leader shifts positions or lies to them. They are after all, here for themselves and talking about anything is simply a vehicle for their attention starved personas.
Comment by The Rude Dog — September 29, 2009 @ 3:56 am - September 29, 2009
I’d be interested in the Aviation numbers. Does anybody think the liberals will stop pummeling the aviation sector?
Will Durst had a rambling piece the other day where he remembered how his school teachers would have to stop and explain everything to the “dim” students. I think he might have been referring to people like you.
Well if that’s the case, then Chairman Obama’s campaign was a massive fraud foisted on the American people, right?
More than the 30+ million dead bodies as a result of liberal carve jobs?
And to Rude Dog:
What’s worse is that he then rolls around in it demanding everyone marvel at how brilliant he is. Howard Hughes, in his later years, would have been more of a hoot.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 29, 2009 @ 4:40 am - September 29, 2009
In short, President Catastrophe (44) is making President Disaster (43) look better all the time.
Comment by V the K — September 29, 2009 @ 7:54 am - September 29, 2009
Hey Tano. I assume that a 10% unemployment rate to be released Friday will further prove that the economy is getting better, right?
Tell that to the working people in Michigan. In Pennsylvania. In South Carolina.
Your problem is, like most liberals, you play in the make believe world of academic thinking — whereas the rest of us live in the real world.
Comment by GayPatriot — September 29, 2009 @ 8:51 am - September 29, 2009
This from Tano in #35:
This from the Boston Globe:
So, Tano, perhaps you should take your robust recovery dog and pony show to Harvard, the pension funds, the insurance funds, other endowment funds and the market funds and jack up their confidence. These are the biggest “people” in the market.
“A prolonged period of instability” is not exactly synonymous with robust. Jane Medillo needs some of your rosy scenario voodoo. Heck, you might even convince Harvard to get back into the hot breakfast game.
Tano, how many jobs has Obama saved? How much productivity has Obama saved? How much further bleeding of the stock market did Obama save? How do you and Obama prove it?
Also, have you noticed that Obama and the MSM are not all anxious to show the caskets coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan? What happened to all the robust transparency that was going to shine the light of truth everywhere?
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” like most liberals, you play in the make believe world of academic thinking — whereas the rest of us live in the real world.”
Ha! Bruce
A bombastic, hyperbolistic writer such as yourself has little chance to convince anyone that you live in the “real world.”
That would be like NDT trying to claim title to rational thinking.
Pot Shot!
Comment by gillie — September 29, 2009 @ 9:30 am - September 29, 2009
And again, whack-a-mole dons his cape and mask and becomes…
Da da ta da!!!
Non-sequetor man!
Thank you gillie, you can sit down now and go back to singing along with all the other kids.
Comment by The_Livewire — September 29, 2009 @ 9:38 am - September 29, 2009
hope you don’t mind, but i crossposted this here. i’m sure you missed in a few areas, but you’re off to a very good start with what you have observed. only an idiot lefturd will not be able to see what is before their eyes.
Comment by nancz — September 29, 2009 @ 9:42 am - September 29, 2009
Don’t forget our president said–
1. “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”
2. “Argue with neighbors, get in their face,”
3. “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry. I’m angry.”
Top officials at the White House said, “If you get hit, we’ll punch back twice as hard,”
Comment by Liz — September 29, 2009 @ 11:59 am - September 29, 2009
Obama sent SEIU union thigs to the Town Halls and protests. They beat up Kennth Gladney and some.
Comment by Liz — September 29, 2009 @ 12:01 pm - September 29, 2009
people just LOVE to say what other groups think !! Liberals hate capitalism. Conservatives hate Jews and blacks. Democrats are corrupt, Republicans are crooks.
Comment by John Ryan — September 29, 2009 @ 12:09 pm - September 29, 2009
Yes, but we have actual proof that liberals hate capitalism (zero free market policies in the Obama Admin) and Democrats are corrupt (Charlie Rangel, Tim Geithner, Tom Daschle, Bill Richardson, Sam Adams, ACORN).
Comment by V the K — September 29, 2009 @ 1:36 pm - September 29, 2009
We suspect Tano is a DNC operative. Who spends his days trolling the internet, blog sites defending the indefensable. He believes in Obama 110%, we’ve never found one thing he disagrees with the chosen one about. We love great debates and rousing intellects here at GP. But debating someone so rooted in leftist ideaology is fruitless. Most of the leftists in here have gone away to hide under their beds til Obama can do something, anything right. Not Tano he gets paid to parrot the Democrat line. I like to see where the Dems heads are at at any given time. After 8 months of bungling and boobery, The statists are lock step with Obamateleprompter. They are ignoring the masses complaints and concerns. Obamas joint session speech was going to turn around the polling on Obamacare, now it has sunk to a new low. The true leftists even have an excuse for that. Instead of grappling with the economy here at home, Obama is traveling to Copenhagen I think to beg for a Chicago Olympics. I’d suggest Mr President you stay home and try to deal with the mob and gang violence in your home town. Young people are dying Mr President.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — September 29, 2009 @ 2:52 pm - September 29, 2009
A job employment fact.
In August…. 29 states showed a decline in available jobs.
In September …..42, that’s Forty Two states showed a decline in available jobs.
Yet Obama and his ilk say things are improving, we’ve bottomed out!. Are they clueless, dumb or just think we are all fools like the leftists in here?
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — September 29, 2009 @ 2:56 pm - September 29, 2009
Obama’s policies single-handedly saved the entire economic system from collapse.
You repugnant righties are just praying the economy stays mired for the next year in hopes of swaying someone, anyone to its side come 2010 elections. That’s the gop’s ONLY hope at this point.
But, like their stance on everything: NO, NO, NO! they will die on the vine slowly and surely. Without a positive constructive agenda there is little on which to lead. The American public sees it and have rewarded the immoral party significantly over the past two national elections. The trend will continue unless the gop can offer something positive.
Comment by buckeyenutlover — September 29, 2009 @ 4:36 pm - September 29, 2009
http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090929/NEWS11/909299997
Enjoy your flight to Copenhagen Mr and Ms President.
The violence and killing in your home town continues unabated.
BTW could someone calculate the carbon footprint of Obamas trip to Denmark? Include the entire entourage.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — September 29, 2009 @ 4:47 pm - September 29, 2009
bnl, cut back on the wacky weed!
After I write comment after comment saying the opposite (for myself). bnl and Tano, sitting in a tree…
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 29, 2009 @ 5:06 pm - September 29, 2009
(sorry, the expression I had in mind and meant, but only now remembered, was “two peas in a pod”)
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 29, 2009 @ 5:28 pm - September 29, 2009
#57, that was my thoughts last night as I was going to bed. I wondered, is this Tano’s only social outlet? His/her last rant was like a child throwing a temper tantrum, give me what I want now or I’ll continue to scream. I try to avoid conversation with him/her as I do not like the way he addresses people, with his/her slurs, here in his posts. Especially, since I have never cast a stone at him/her in that manner. I have never called him/her libtard, leftwingnut, etc… in any post. Yet, his/her posts are always filled with the language and I do not have time for that.
Anyway, I’ll answer his question now in reply to my #44; the jobs were cut in February and March when it became apparent that the so called “Stimulus” wasn’t going to stimulate anything say a rat in a college lab somewhere. In addition to those cuts, the company recently cut an additional three people in August. So, the bleeding continues; however, a company has to survive and that’s what the company did, took steps to survive. I’m sure many other companies made the same hard decisions.
Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — September 29, 2009 @ 6:15 pm - September 29, 2009
For starters, don’t care what gays do. I’m a strong conservative, but if heterosexuals can be miserable with a spouse, there’s no reason to exclude gays!
But I’m surprised to see a list like this on a website like this!! Personally I’m siding with you side on this, if anyone was going to give gays more rights, Obama was the man to do it. But then again, with most of his “hopes” making them reality is another thing. I do have an issue with the deaths in Afghan. Violence has increased along with our troop levels. So deaths are going to go up. Not his fault. Just how it works. Just like it did in Iraq when Bush sent more troops over
Comment by Ohboy — September 29, 2009 @ 9:16 pm - September 29, 2009
How? Thousands are still on the verge of losing their homes. He’s wracked up tons of debt we won’t be able to pay off. He’s not doing anything to instill confidence. He’s not doing anything to attract foreign investment. He’s starting trade wars with anybody he can find. Just how in the hell has he saved the economic system?
That’s projection pure and simple given that liberals spent EIGHT YEARS trying to convince America that we’re in a depression. And besides, one only has to look at economic news to see that there’s not going to be any real return to normalcy for at least a year at best. Unlike liberals, though, we don’t wish that sort of ill on the American people. The very people you vote for use such for political gain, if they can’t find dead people to exploit.
Talk about repugnant.
Sorta like the liberals circa 2001-2008?
Is THAT why everybody has been abandoning the liberals like rats jumping a sinking ship? How’s those approval numbers again? Pelosi & Reid STILL rank lower than Bush, as I recall.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 30, 2009 @ 2:07 am - September 30, 2009
Oh but then the liberals were feasting on Kennedy’s carcass for political gain before he was even cold. Think maybe that’ll keep you alive for another year.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 30, 2009 @ 2:08 am - September 30, 2009
“and have rewarded the immoral party significantly over the past two national elections.”
Wow, progress, he admits the democrats are the immoral ones.
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Comment by Duffy - Native Intelligence — September 30, 2009 @ 3:45 pm - September 30, 2009
I would but it’s firewalled.
I’ll read it when I get home.
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