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	<title>Comments on: Roman Polanski:   Brilliant Filmmaker and a Criminal</title>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/30/roman-polanski-brilliant-filmmaker-and-a-criminal/comment-page-1/#comment-497867</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roman Polanski is guilty of abusing a minor and he really deservers to be in jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roman Polanski is guilty of abusing a minor and he really deservers to be in jail.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Roman Polansk is a big time scum.  Even if you believe that bygones should be bygones (and I don&#039;t), the fact is that he had been committing a crime for over 30 years.  He is a fugitive from justice.  He should receive an additional sentence for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Roman Polansk is a big time scum.  Even if you believe that bygones should be bygones (and I don&#8217;t), the fact is that he had been committing a crime for over 30 years.  He is a fugitive from justice.  He should receive an additional sentence for that.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/30/roman-polanski-brilliant-filmmaker-and-a-criminal/comment-page-1/#comment-487703</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NYT turns on Polanski: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/opinion/30wed4.html?_r=2

The government of France turns on Polanski: http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE58T4ZM20090930

Kirstie Alley turns on Polanski: http://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/4498421378

All of the above, tipped by HotAir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYT turns on Polanski: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/opinion/30wed4.html?_r=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/opinion/30wed4.html?_r=2</a></p>
<p>The government of France turns on Polanski: <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE58T4ZM20090930" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE58T4ZM20090930</a></p>
<p>Kirstie Alley turns on Polanski: <a href="http://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/4498421378" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/4498421378</a></p>
<p>All of the above, tipped by HotAir.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/30/roman-polanski-brilliant-filmmaker-and-a-criminal/comment-page-1/#comment-487689</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now for what I came to say: Big Hollywood has a rundown on the reactions to Polanski over at HuffPo:
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/cftoto/2009/09/29/huffpo-goes-all-in-to-defend-polanski-readers-revolt/

It seems that a surprising number of Puffhos are on what I should consider the &#039;right&#039; side of this: in other words, condemning Polanski.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now for what I came to say: Big Hollywood has a rundown on the reactions to Polanski over at HuffPo:<br />
<a href="http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/cftoto/2009/09/29/huffpo-goes-all-in-to-defend-polanski-readers-revolt/" rel="nofollow">http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/cftoto/2009/09/29/huffpo-goes-all-in-to-defend-polanski-readers-revolt/</a></p>
<p>It seems that a surprising number of Puffhos are on what I should consider the &#8216;right&#8217; side of this: in other words, condemning Polanski.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;what’s the point of putting Polanski on trial then?&lt;/blockquote&gt;In America, jury trial is the means by which *society*, or *the law* if you prefer, reaches an official conclusion as to whether the individual should be deprived of rights - that is, jailed.

In the case of O.J. Simpson, the weight of evidence and logic is overwhelmingly that he did it.  Yet the jury decided that, as an official and social matter, and at that time and for that crime, O.J. should not be subject to sentencing, i.e. should not be stripped of his rights.  It doesn&#039;t mean &quot;he didn&#039;t do it&quot; and it doesn&#039;t mean that I personally should walk around thinking &quot;he didn&#039;t do it&quot;.  OK?

I can&#039;t believe I have to explain this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>what’s the point of putting Polanski on trial then?</p></blockquote>
<p>In America, jury trial is the means by which *society*, or *the law* if you prefer, reaches an official conclusion as to whether the individual should be deprived of rights &#8211; that is, jailed.</p>
<p>In the case of O.J. Simpson, the weight of evidence and logic is overwhelmingly that he did it.  Yet the jury decided that, as an official and social matter, and at that time and for that crime, O.J. should not be subject to sentencing, i.e. should not be stripped of his rights.  It doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;he didn&#8217;t do it&#8221; and it doesn&#8217;t mean that I personally should walk around thinking &#8220;he didn&#8217;t do it&#8221;.  OK?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe I have to explain this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashpenaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashpenaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Polanski should be ripped apart by dogs. You&#039;re the one who thinks a trial would be useless.

Re: Jackson--honestly, has no one seen The Children&#039;s Hour, one of the classics of gay cinema?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Polanski should be ripped apart by dogs. You&#8217;re the one who thinks a trial would be useless.</p>
<p>Re: Jackson&#8211;honestly, has no one seen The Children&#8217;s Hour, one of the classics of gay cinema?</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well its&#039; certainly good enough for Jody.

Ash,

I appriciate your defense of Michael Jackson.  However, being aquitted does not in and of itself equal innocence, William Ayers being the most risible example.  People are going to have their perceptions even if the legal system shows otherwise.  Look at Mumia.  He&#039;s going to get a pardon in the last days of the Obama administration and has defenders, &lt;i&gt;even though he&#039;s never deinied killing the man&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well its&#8217; certainly good enough for Jody.</p>
<p>Ash,</p>
<p>I appriciate your defense of Michael Jackson.  However, being aquitted does not in and of itself equal innocence, William Ayers being the most risible example.  People are going to have their perceptions even if the legal system shows otherwise.  Look at Mumia.  He&#8217;s going to get a pardon in the last days of the Obama administration and has defenders, <i>even though he&#8217;s never deinied killing the man</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/30/roman-polanski-brilliant-filmmaker-and-a-criminal/comment-page-1/#comment-487438</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Ash, a guy can rape a child, admit to it, skip town before sentencing and it&#039;s all good with you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Ash, a guy can rape a child, admit to it, skip town before sentencing and it&#8217;s all good with you?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashpenaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashpenaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, what&#039;s the point of putting Polanski on trial then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, what&#8217;s the point of putting Polanski on trial then?</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/30/roman-polanski-brilliant-filmmaker-and-a-criminal/comment-page-1/#comment-487322</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Now,, to answer to your own question:&lt;blockquote&gt;Other than being acquitted in a very public trial, what could Jackson, or anyone, do to prove he or she is not a pedophile?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Answer: Nothing.  There is a saying, &quot;You can&#039;t prove a negative.&quot;  Each person who cares about a given criminal issue must use their own judgment to review the evidence and reach their own conclusion.  Just because you think O.J. didn&#039;t do it, M.J. didn&#039;t do it, etc., doesn&#039;t mean I have to (or should) agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Now,, to answer to your own question:<br />
<blockquote>Other than being acquitted in a very public trial, what could Jackson, or anyone, do to prove he or she is not a pedophile?</p></blockquote>
<p>Answer: Nothing.  There is a saying, &#8220;You can&#8217;t prove a negative.&#8221;  Each person who cares about a given criminal issue must use their own judgment to review the evidence and reach their own conclusion.  Just because you think O.J. didn&#8217;t do it, M.J. didn&#8217;t do it, etc., doesn&#8217;t mean I have to (or should) agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If we don’t trust the jury system for Michael Jackson, what’s the point of bringing Polanski back? &lt;/blockquote&gt;Can&#039;t make head nor tail of that.  But since you mention Jackson&#039;s jurors again, and seem to place great stock in them: Why don&#039;t you believe the ones who said publicly that they basically think he did it, they just couldn&#039;t bring themselves to convict?&lt;blockquote&gt;Other than being acquitted in a very public trial, what could Jackson, or anyone, do to prove he or she is not a pedophile?&lt;/blockquote&gt;You leave me no choice but to take that as a &quot;yes&quot; to my first question and a &quot;no&quot; to my second.  (I.e., that you think O.J. didn&#039;t kill Nicole and Ron Brown; and that it is not on your radar that a jury could basically conclude the guy did it, yet still vote against convicting him.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If we don’t trust the jury system for Michael Jackson, what’s the point of bringing Polanski back? </p></blockquote>
<p>Can&#8217;t make head nor tail of that.  But since you mention Jackson&#8217;s jurors again, and seem to place great stock in them: Why don&#8217;t you believe the ones who said publicly that they basically think he did it, they just couldn&#8217;t bring themselves to convict?<br />
<blockquote>Other than being acquitted in a very public trial, what could Jackson, or anyone, do to prove he or she is not a pedophile?</p></blockquote>
<p>You leave me no choice but to take that as a &#8220;yes&#8221; to my first question and a &#8220;no&#8221; to my second.  (I.e., that you think O.J. didn&#8217;t kill Nicole and Ron Brown; and that it is not on your radar that a jury could basically conclude the guy did it, yet still vote against convicting him.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ashpenaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashpenaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we don&#039;t trust the jury system for Michael Jackson, what&#039;s the point of bringing Polanski back? 

Other than being acquitted in a very public trial, what could Jackson, or anyone, do to prove he or she is not a pedophile?

Please watch The Children&#039;s Hour and get back to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we don&#8217;t trust the jury system for Michael Jackson, what&#8217;s the point of bringing Polanski back? </p>
<p>Other than being acquitted in a very public trial, what could Jackson, or anyone, do to prove he or she is not a pedophile?</p>
<p>Please watch The Children&#8217;s Hour and get back to me.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan:  Check out this column from Salon (!) which nails it:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/28/polanski_arrest/

VtheK:  Never heard of Salva before.  Sounds like a real putz that deserves to be strung up by his gonads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:  Check out this column from Salon (!) which nails it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/28/polanski_arrest/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/28/polanski_arrest/</a></p>
<p>VtheK:  Never heard of Salva before.  Sounds like a real putz that deserves to be strung up by his gonads.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jackson faced a trial by a jury of his peers who heard the evidence and acquitted him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ash, just from curiousity: Do you also believe O.J. didn&#039;t murder Nicole and Ron Brown?  After all, O.J. &quot;faced a trial by a jury of his peers who heard the evidence and acquitted him.&quot;  Is the concept of a jury basically knowing  that the guy did it, except that &quot;basically&quot; isn&#039;t good enough for a conviction under our Constitution, on your radar?  Jackson jurors stated after the trial that that was exactly how they felt about Michael&#039;s crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jackson faced a trial by a jury of his peers who heard the evidence and acquitted him.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ash, just from curiousity: Do you also believe O.J. didn&#8217;t murder Nicole and Ron Brown?  After all, O.J. &#8220;faced a trial by a jury of his peers who heard the evidence and acquitted him.&#8221;  Is the concept of a jury basically knowing  that the guy did it, except that &#8220;basically&#8221; isn&#8217;t good enough for a conviction under our Constitution, on your radar?  Jackson jurors stated after the trial that that was exactly how they felt about Michael&#8217;s crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashpenaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashpenaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason I don&#039;t believe Michael Jackson was a pedophile and Roman Polanski is: Jackson faced a trial by a jury of his peers who heard the evidence and acquitted him. Polanski admitted the rape and ran away. There is a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason I don&#8217;t believe Michael Jackson was a pedophile and Roman Polanski is: Jackson faced a trial by a jury of his peers who heard the evidence and acquitted him. Polanski admitted the rape and ran away. There is a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Beverly Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beverly Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hollywood. Where felonies won&#039;t impact your potential for getting a job. 

Its disgusting how many people are defending this guy, even for the &quot;sake of the victim.&quot; If he really cared about her being rung out by the media (as the CNN article tries to make it seem) he would have served his sentence and just been done with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hollywood. Where felonies won&#8217;t impact your potential for getting a job. </p>
<p>Its disgusting how many people are defending this guy, even for the &#8220;sake of the victim.&#8221; If he really cared about her being rung out by the media (as the CNN article tries to make it seem) he would have served his sentence and just been done with it.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone at Moonbattery spotted the following at San Freakshow&#039;s Folsom Street Fair, a booth offering &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/09/folsom_street_k.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fetish Tots: S&amp;M gear for small children&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone at Moonbattery spotted the following at San Freakshow&#8217;s Folsom Street Fair, a booth offering <a href="http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/09/folsom_street_k.html" rel="nofollow">Fetish Tots: S&amp;M gear for small children</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a talented artist does not make you a moral person. We have seen this through the centuries. What bothers me so much is the fact that our &#039;intellectual elites&quot; are completely unwilling to admit this.
They feel that since they like his body of film work, he should be excused for the worst crime - sexually abusing a child. 
btw, I read on Ann Althouse the list of movies made in recent years that really push the envelope on deviant sexual relations, mostly with underage kids. So it&#039;s not just Hollywood turning a blind eye, it is Hollywood desperately trying to make the inexcusable - acceptable and normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a talented artist does not make you a moral person. We have seen this through the centuries. What bothers me so much is the fact that our &#8216;intellectual elites&#8221; are completely unwilling to admit this.<br />
They feel that since they like his body of film work, he should be excused for the worst crime &#8211; sexually abusing a child.<br />
btw, I read on Ann Althouse the list of movies made in recent years that really push the envelope on deviant sexual relations, mostly with underage kids. So it&#8217;s not just Hollywood turning a blind eye, it is Hollywood desperately trying to make the inexcusable &#8211; acceptable and normal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashpenaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashpenaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Whoopi--it Polanski was a Catholic priest, would it be &quot;rape-rape?&quot; Were all those abused kids just being mean for bringing up 30-year-old charges against sweet old Fr. O&#039;Brien? And all those plantation owners--did they &quot;rape-rape&quot; the 13-year-old slave girls? Or did I miss the point of The Color Purple?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Whoopi&#8211;it Polanski was a Catholic priest, would it be &#8220;rape-rape?&#8221; Were all those abused kids just being mean for bringing up 30-year-old charges against sweet old Fr. O&#8217;Brien? And all those plantation owners&#8211;did they &#8220;rape-rape&#8221; the 13-year-old slave girls? Or did I miss the point of The Color Purple?</p>
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		<title>By: Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, he&#039;s past a trial.  He pled guilty, and admitted to &quot;rape-rape&quot;, to use Whoopi&#039;s term, in explicit detail.  That is now beyond question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, he&#8217;s past a trial.  He pled guilty, and admitted to &#8220;rape-rape&#8221;, to use Whoopi&#8217;s term, in explicit detail.  That is now beyond question.</p>
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