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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; The Political Cost of Democrats&#8217; Nasty Massachusetts Campaign</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/10/04/whey-do-men-badmouth-those-whose-affection-they-seek/comment-page-1/#comment-533386</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; The Political Cost of Democrats&#8217; Nasty Massachusetts Campaign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Remember that guy you started dating who thought you were all sweetness and light up until the point you told him you didn&#8217;t want to date him, when you spurned even his request for &#8220;no-strings&#8221; sex?  You know, when he starts reacting in a manner that, well, is not likely to endear him to you. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Remember that guy you started dating who thought you were all sweetness and light up until the point you told him you didn&#8217;t want to date him, when you spurned even his request for &#8220;no-strings&#8221; sex?  You know, when he starts reacting in a manner that, well, is not likely to endear him to you. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/10/04/whey-do-men-badmouth-those-whose-affection-they-seek/comment-page-1/#comment-490286</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much.  And when they&#039;re isolated, they lash out more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much.  And when they&#8217;re isolated, they lash out more.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/10/04/whey-do-men-badmouth-those-whose-affection-they-seek/comment-page-1/#comment-490278</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New morning, new reflection.  It could be a control issue.  Some people only feel secure if they can &#039;operate&#039; the object of their hopes like an appliance, and get angry and frightened if the appliance doesn&#039;t behave, and want to intimidate or (if all hope is lost) at least to &#039;get even&#039;.  TL, I think that is basically what you said; different words?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New morning, new reflection.  It could be a control issue.  Some people only feel secure if they can &#8216;operate&#8217; the object of their hopes like an appliance, and get angry and frightened if the appliance doesn&#8217;t behave, and want to intimidate or (if all hope is lost) at least to &#8216;get even&#8217;.  TL, I think that is basically what you said; different words?</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops on the spelling of Bering (I&#039;ve watched enough Deadliest Catch, you&#039;d think I&#039;d know).

OTOH, it does make an amusing if unintended pun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops on the spelling of Bering (I&#8217;ve watched enough Deadliest Catch, you&#8217;d think I&#8217;d know).</p>
<p>OTOH, it does make an amusing if unintended pun.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Most humans can let the man control the beast&lt;/blockquote&gt;That&#039;s exactly it, and something many gays seem to have trouble with.  Many straights do too, so I am not blaming gays as a group.  But the way I&#039;ve seen the human-vs-beast struggle play out in *some* gay people is: they&#039;ve surrendered to the Beast within, thinking that the inner Beast&#039;s voice must be obeyed, or that its every whim &quot;is&quot; them.  As a result (and as you put it), they live their lives &quot;with the desperation of a man clinging to driftwood in the Bering Sea.&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Most humans can let the man control the beast</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly it, and something many gays seem to have trouble with.  Many straights do too, so I am not blaming gays as a group.  But the way I&#8217;ve seen the human-vs-beast struggle play out in *some* gay people is: they&#8217;ve surrendered to the Beast within, thinking that the inner Beast&#8217;s voice must be obeyed, or that its every whim &#8220;is&#8221; them.  As a result (and as you put it), they live their lives &#8220;with the desperation of a man clinging to driftwood in the Bering Sea.&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*lol@ILC* Sorry to hear about your bible stalker.  Christians seem to forget that when the Divine talked to someone in the bible it was because things were screwed up, not because he was playing Match.div or something.  

Then again, I&#039;ve given up after two divorces and several failed dates.  I don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; to hear the voice of the Divine to get the point :P

As to the quick turn from love to hate...  *puts amature socialologist hat on* Part of loving and caring for someone is to risk reaching out with your own emotions laid bare.  Some people take rejection of that as an attack.  there&#039;s also a bit of dominance involved, in that we try to control our environment.  Most humans can let the man control the beast and decide it&#039;s &#039;their loss, not mine.&#039;  But when you can&#039;t/won&#039;t socialize normally, any sort of contact and trust is grasped, with the desperation of a man clinging to driftwood in the Bearing Sea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*lol@ILC* Sorry to hear about your bible stalker.  Christians seem to forget that when the Divine talked to someone in the bible it was because things were screwed up, not because he was playing Match.div or something.  </p>
<p>Then again, I&#8217;ve given up after two divorces and several failed dates.  I don&#8217;t <i>need</i> to hear the voice of the Divine to get the point <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As to the quick turn from love to hate&#8230;  *puts amature socialologist hat on* Part of loving and caring for someone is to risk reaching out with your own emotions laid bare.  Some people take rejection of that as an attack.  there&#8217;s also a bit of dominance involved, in that we try to control our environment.  Most humans can let the man control the beast and decide it&#8217;s &#8216;their loss, not mine.&#8217;  But when you can&#8217;t/won&#8217;t socialize normally, any sort of contact and trust is grasped, with the desperation of a man clinging to driftwood in the Bearing Sea.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve all been there.  There was a guy once who I had all of 3 coffee dates with... nothing more, certainly no sex.  I decided I wasn&#039;t interested and I told him, directly and fairly politely.  Apparently, in Crazy Land that means you want to get married because it was months before the phone calls stopped.  At one point he stalked me at the neighborhood church I was attending - although he lived 45 minutes away, suddenly that neighborhood church was the ultimate in what a church should be, that he simply had to attend - yet accused me of being unchristian because God clearly wanted us to be together and I was withholding from him.  That&#039;s when I realized, anyone who thinks God is telling them to date person X is almost certainly a wack job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve all been there.  There was a guy once who I had all of 3 coffee dates with&#8230; nothing more, certainly no sex.  I decided I wasn&#8217;t interested and I told him, directly and fairly politely.  Apparently, in Crazy Land that means you want to get married because it was months before the phone calls stopped.  At one point he stalked me at the neighborhood church I was attending &#8211; although he lived 45 minutes away, suddenly that neighborhood church was the ultimate in what a church should be, that he simply had to attend &#8211; yet accused me of being unchristian because God clearly wanted us to be together and I was withholding from him.  That&#8217;s when I realized, anyone who thinks God is telling them to date person X is almost certainly a wack job.</p>
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		<title>By: MFS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MFS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the rules of dating are non-existent in the straight  world now, let alone for us.  People are  confused, awkward, frustrated.

Being newly single again myself, I learned quickly that  expectations must be set right out of the gate.   You feel like a tool reciting the checklist of do&#039;s and don&#039;ts - like  some waiter ticking off the night&#039;s specials.   But, there&#039;s Hell to pay if you don&#039;t.  This is irrespective of what&#039;s on some  profile.

This is an interesting subject, Dan. Not political, but crucial nonetheless.

FYI: &lt;a href=&quot;http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/22498&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kay Hymowitz&lt;/a&gt; did a Bloggingheads with Will Wilkinson  about the perils of straight dating a few weeks back.  But, I think the same thinking applies here.

Best wishes,
  -MFS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the rules of dating are non-existent in the straight  world now, let alone for us.  People are  confused, awkward, frustrated.</p>
<p>Being newly single again myself, I learned quickly that  expectations must be set right out of the gate.   You feel like a tool reciting the checklist of do&#8217;s and don&#8217;ts &#8211; like  some waiter ticking off the night&#8217;s specials.   But, there&#8217;s Hell to pay if you don&#8217;t.  This is irrespective of what&#8217;s on some  profile.</p>
<p>This is an interesting subject, Dan. Not political, but crucial nonetheless.</p>
<p>FYI: <a href="http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/22498" rel="nofollow">Kay Hymowitz</a> did a Bloggingheads with Will Wilkinson  about the perils of straight dating a few weeks back.  But, I think the same thinking applies here.</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
  -MFS</p>
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		<title>By: SentWest</title>
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		<dc:creator>SentWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this is an uncommon experience.  As a woman, I&#039;ve been subject to the same reaction both online and in person when a relationship doesn&#039;t progress the way a man feels it should. 

I&#039;ve also been in the position to be attacked over the content of my dating profile by men I haven&#039;t even communicated with.  I&#039;m not sure what it is, probably an unhealthy base level of general rancor and an inability to leave well enough alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this is an uncommon experience.  As a woman, I&#8217;ve been subject to the same reaction both online and in person when a relationship doesn&#8217;t progress the way a man feels it should. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also been in the position to be attacked over the content of my dating profile by men I haven&#8217;t even communicated with.  I&#8217;m not sure what it is, probably an unhealthy base level of general rancor and an inability to leave well enough alone.</p>
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		<title>By: John in Dublin CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in Dublin CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

As odd seeming as your story (and &quot;Dave&#039;s&quot;) may be, its is not at all unusual. Years ago, back in New York, I was chatted up in a bar while I was waiting for Vince (my late partner) to arrive. The man turned out to be an FBI employee, and as I was to find out, a stalker. There was no sexual interaction, no discussion of dating or even of seeing one another again, but he decided that I was going to be his lover. This man turned up outside my office, outside our apartment, for eight months, virtually every day. I was followed on the subway to and from work. I was followed in the grocery store. Now you&#039;ve met me, and I&#039;m no great beauty, so why did this man become fixated on me? I finally had to contact the FBI in order to bring a halt to the stalking. Be glad you only got attacked after three dates, I only had a 15 minute conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>As odd seeming as your story (and &#8220;Dave&#8217;s&#8221;) may be, its is not at all unusual. Years ago, back in New York, I was chatted up in a bar while I was waiting for Vince (my late partner) to arrive. The man turned out to be an FBI employee, and as I was to find out, a stalker. There was no sexual interaction, no discussion of dating or even of seeing one another again, but he decided that I was going to be his lover. This man turned up outside my office, outside our apartment, for eight months, virtually every day. I was followed on the subway to and from work. I was followed in the grocery store. Now you&#8217;ve met me, and I&#8217;m no great beauty, so why did this man become fixated on me? I finally had to contact the FBI in order to bring a halt to the stalking. Be glad you only got attacked after three dates, I only had a 15 minute conversation.</p>
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