Remember, oh, about a week or so ago, all those left-wing “bloggers . . . engag[ing] in widespread speculation about the motive” (as R.S McCain put it) for the death of Kentucky census worker Bill Sparkman. Well, while, that diligent blogger trekked over to the Bluegrass State to find out while he could, the leftie blogs (and their favorite TV hostess) have, well, gone dark, that is, in covering this story.
I just did a few google searches and couldn’t find any new information coming from the left. Rachel Maddow, the aforementioned hostess, doesn’t seem to have touched the issue for a week.
Seems she’s lost interest. Maybe that’s because “law-enforcement authorities have yet to announce any leads, suspects, or potential motives.” And without any evidence to back up their case, their own prejudices can only fan the flames of conspiracy theories for so long. (Given how the accusations leveled at the immediate past President of the United States, I may have to reconsider that last statement.)
Indeed, that other McCain quotes a Kentucky journalist who exclaimed to him, “We don’t know anything. Hell, we don’t even know what we don’t know.”
Speculation continues to abound. While McCain throws out a number of possible theories, he is careful not to rush to any conclusions. For example, as to intimations that Sparkman may have been gay, he offers:
. . . the problem is that we have no idea whether Sparkman’s sexuality (whatever it was, and all I know is what people in Kentucky told me) had anything to do with his disappearance and death. It might be relevant or not. At any rate,that Tampa story is full of very strong suggestions that my Kentucky sources have reasonbly accurate “gaydar.”
He doesn’t do as Newsweek does (indeed he takes that magazine to task for doing so) and chalk Sparkman’s death up to anti-census sentiment. It would be nice if those who rushed to presume that right-wingers had created the climate which led to the murder of Sparkman would at least acknowledge how little they really knew, instead of abandoning the issue in droves without learning from their recent rush to judgment.
*double entendre intended.
You mean he’s gonna reserve judgment until the facts are in? But that’s so non-PC and Western centric! Doesn’t he know the narrative is more important than the truth?
Oh, sorry, he doesn’t work for the MSM so its okay then.
Interesting. I didn’t know the guy was from here in Mulberry.
The farLeft kooks did, indeed, ramp up their rhetoric about the evil effects of anti-govt speech by the pernicious Right even before the victim’s name was public.
You call it a rush to judgment? I call it an example of their immoral, indecent avariciousness on their part to score some cheap partisan points. Just like they and Kerry did during the 2004 election with the War in Iraq to score cheap points with the far Left.
The man’s body wasn’t even cold and they were using him like red meat on a bloody pike to rally their troops and point out how evil the supposed anti-goct speech on the far Right can truly be… disgusting, indecent, immoral avaricious characters all. Rachel Madcow upfront, please.
What exactly is your point? That Maddow isn’t commenting because no new information has come out?
I have no idea what happened to Bill Sparkman, but suspecting some anti-Government nut is hardly out of line, given that his body was set out nude with the word “fed” written on it.
If the right is going to engage in the kind of inflammatory rhetoric it’s been using, if you’re going to wave guns at us, invoke secession and armed uprising, and portray the census as a dire commie plot to impose a totalitarian state, then yes, you’re going to get funny looks when something like the Bill Sparkman case happens.
Hey, since the left wing willingly accepted responsibility for the gunman who shot two soldiers in Arkansas, and the gunman who murdered a pro-life supporter in Michigan, it stands to reason that the right should take responsibility for the Sparkman killing and tone down our rhetoric.
Wait, you say the left refuses to take any responsibility for the killings in Arkansas and Michigan? Well, then, screw ’em.
The left wing hasn’t been the political movement that’s been bringing loaded weapons to public meetings, and invoking military coups. Nor has there been a pattern of violence against anti-abortion activists as there has been against abortion providers. Anti-abortion headquarters haven’t been firebombed. Obstetricians haven’t been murdered. Clinic workers haven’t been killed or maimed. Nor has a liberal governor publicly offered secession as an option.
Um, Pamela, Pamela, Pamela. The only violence this past summer at the very protests and town halls was against those protesting Obamacare.
And if you have evidence to show that Sparkman was murdered by those who listen to Glenn Beck, please provide it. Thanks
You mean aside from that old guy who brutally assaulted someone’s fist with his face in Tampa, and that OTHER old guy who lost the tip of his finger (poor baby) — in the process of punching someone repeatedly in the face in California?
Again, you guys wave guns, threaten violence against those you perceive as “traitors” — and then whine when you’re, quite naturally, suspected of involvement in violence.
Look, this post isn’t even a story. You know that accuracy has not been a driving force in mass media for many years. “Get The Story First” has long supplanted “Get The Story Right”. This is pretty much true of all broadcast media, no matter the political leanings.
Of course what happened to Bill Sparkman is a story. The question is, what kind of story? Until we get more information, we won’t know for sure — which is why this little essay, implying that there’s something somehow damning about the fact that Maddow hasn’t mentioned it in a week, is so ridiculous.
When the information about Sparkman’s death first came out, she talked about it. No new information has come out, so she HASN’T talked about it.
Simple when it’s put that way, no?
And again, it’s ridiculous for the right to whine about the fact that they’re getting funny looks in the wake of Sparkman’s death. Invoke violence as an option — as you guys have repeatedly done — and yes, when violence occurs, you’ll be quite naturally suspected of having had a hand in it.
Simple when it’s put that way, no?
[Citation Needed]
How pathetic. You have to make shit up to distract from the violent liberals. This is the WORST kind of desperation and you’re a sorry POS for purveying it.
What “shit” have I made up? Are you saying that abortion clinics haven’t been bombed? Abortion providers haven’t been murdered? That pro-healthcare reform demonstrator DIDN’T get punched in the face in Tampa? That guy who lost the tip of a finger DIDN’T lose it in the process of punching a pro-healthcare reformer in the face? You missed Governor Perry publicly invoking secession as an option? You’ve missed all that talk in the rightwing blogosphere about secession and military coups? You missed all those stories about gun sales going through the roof?
I’ll be glad to provide cites, but I want to make sure you actually missed these things before I go through the trouble.
Of course what happened to Bill Sparkman is a story. The question is, what kind of story? Until we get more information, we won’t know for sure — which is why this little essay, implying that there’s something somehow damning about the fact that Maddow hasn’t mentioned it in a week, is so ridiculous.
Actually, Maddow and her ilk have already shrieked that they know for sure that this person was murdered on the orders of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michelle Bachmann, and the Republican Party.
Now she and her syncophants like Pamela Troy are trying to walk that back and pretend they never told such lies. They figure that, if they ignore it, it’ll go away.
Meanwhile, notice how Pamela Troy supports and endorses the murder of anti-abortion protestors and insists that violence against conservatives at town halls is always justified. No surprises there.
Plus, we’re forgetting the most obvious example of what Pamela Troy and the left support.
”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.”
Since Pamela Troy and her Obama Party, including Maddow, are perfectly supportive of using violence against conservatives and in fact agitate for MORE violence, her attempts to whine about alleged incidents are nothing more than blatant hypocrisy.
Do tell, North Dallas Thirty, what specific quotes from Maddow you have in mind here. I watched her coverage and don’t recall where she said she “knew for sure” this was an anti-government crime. My own first comment on it (posted online on September 24) was that I “didn’t know.”
Do you actually watch or read Maddow, or are you relying on what you hear on Fox or read on right wing blogs?
And do point out exactly where I’ve supported or endorsed the murder of anti-abortion protesters, or said that “violence against conservatives at town halls is always justified.”
“Plus, we’re forgetting the most obvious example of what Pamela Troy and the left support….”
Soooo, North Dallas Thirty, using your criteria, should we assume that you support the acts of the KKK, Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh, Jim David Adkisson, James Kopp, Shelly Shannon, Scott Roeder, David Lewis Rice, and Cecil Price?
Because you CAN’T. You know that the cites you provide will prove that you’re a pathetic liar. But I’ll be happy to show you a Seasoned Citizen who was assaulted by a union thug here in Tampa. I’ll be happy to show you the “town hall” meetings here in Florida and elsewhere that were packed with union thugs so citizens couldn’t get in. I’ll be happy to show you a liberal douchebag “Representative” who lied about death threats etc.
The militant arm of the DNC? That would be you assholes and your Sen. Robert “Nigger” Byrd. And who could forget the liberal’s support of the voter intimidation of the Black Panthers and the voter fraud of your beloved ACORN?
Please don’t forget to cite your evidence of people “waving guns” or other examples of the incitement of violence you think exists.
Do you mean this?
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/article1025529.ece
Pamela–two points.
(1) If Rachel Maddow is so interested in the story, how come she didn’t dispatch a team down to Kentucky to investigate? R.S. McCain, who features prominently in this post, lacking MSNBC’s resources went down there on his own dime–and what he could rustle up from readers.
(2) You said:
Wave guns? Threaten violence? What? Where’s your evidence? Whining about being suspected of violence? Huh? Since when it is whining to say we’re unfairly accused by someone offering only innuendo and prejudice, but no facts?
Let’s point out some facts. Union thugs (allied with Obama) beat up a conservative man in Missouri. That’s not suspected. That’s a fact. A pro-Obamacare supporter allied with Moveon.org bit off a man’s finger in California. That’s a fact.
Where are yours?
To That Gay Conservative, on Cites
“Because you CAN’T.”
Oh, for heaven’s sake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNSHlPQbiqI
Neil Cavuto: Okay, you threw a punch. Did the punch land?
Bill Rice: Yes.
Neil Cavuto: So then, what happened next?
Bill Rice: Then, I threw a second punch and my fist ended up in his mouth.
http://www.miamiherald.com/486/story/1215186.html
Luis Perrero was among about 40 supporters of a healthcare overhaul waving signs outside a Greater Miami Chamber of Commerce meeting headlined by U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., when a man in a green pickup truck stopped and began arguing with the crowd….When Perrero uttered an offensive Spanish expletive, Raul Anasagasti, who was driving the pickup, punched him in the face, knocking him to the ground. Police arrested and charged Anasagasti.
Quotes on the Census from right wing sites before the Sparkman tragedy:
http://www.infowars.com/obama-and-acorn-gps-marking-every-front-door-in-america/
If I catch anyone on my property GPSing my door, they will find themselves breathing dirt. The front door is 1200 feet inside my property one way, and 3-1/2 miles inside my property from the other way. No Trespassing!
If some bitch comes to my door asking questions, I’ll tell her to fuck off. Simple. If she wont, I have a .357 for her to meet.
Right on joe, I’ll blow their fucking heads off if they so much as step on my property, or I might just release the hounds and watch them rip their Nazi fucking heads off!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2325705/posts?page=16#16:
Maybe that’s the scheme, invite them in, shoot them then say they were intruders.
And on Free Republic after Sparkman’s body was found:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2346709/posts?page=83#83
Bet the jerk doesn’t show up at my door again.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2346771/posts?page=3#3
this could be the shot heard round the world!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2346771/posts?page=23#23
Don’t look at me. I wouldn’t have left him hanging.
And then there are signs like these:
http://www.esoterically.net/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/20090912UnarmedThisTime.jpg
http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/tpm-20090912-protest4.jpg
And news reports like these:
http://townhall.com/news/us/2009/08/18/man_carrying_assault_weapon_attends_obama_protest
About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday _ the latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president.
And Rick Perry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzbdugWJbNo
Rick Perry: We’ve got a great Union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it, but if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American People, who knows what may come of it?
And that OTHER Perry:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/09/full_text_of_newsmax_column_suggesting_military_co.php
There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic.
And again, the hilarious part is that Pamela Troy seems obsessed with obscure blog comments that she and her fellow sockpuppets make while ignoring what their Barack Obama openly supports and endorses.
”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.”
Notice the difference. Pamela Troy is obsessed with turning other peoples’ every words into threats of violence, but herself ignores the clear evidence, admitted by her own party and her Barack Obama, that they HAVE committed violent acts and don’t regret them in the least.
And, as V the K put it eminently well above:
Hey, since the left wing willingly accepted responsibility for the gunman who shot two soldiers in Arkansas, and the gunman who murdered a pro-life supporter in Michigan, it stands to reason that the right should take responsibility for the Sparkman killing and tone down our rhetoric.
Wait, you say the left refuses to take any responsibility for the killings in Arkansas and Michigan? Well, then, screw ‘em.
Right on. Pamela Troy is a hypocrite, just like Rachel Maddow. No surprise, then, that both of them are Obama Party members.
Hey Pamela, you cite the instance of the “right winger activist” punching a leftwing activist as proof of right wing violence.
Pam, did you ever stop to ask yourself why the leftwinger was close enough to get punched? You ever stop to think that just perhaps the leftwinger was close enough to be threatening?
Speaking from experience, I know just how in your face left wingers can be. I’ve had one follow me and try to confront me, while hollering, waving his arms and getting red in the face.
And, your so-called activist who was carrying a semi automatic weapon is a Lyndon LaRouche supporter.