Comments on: BBC: The DEBATE Over Global Warming Has Just Begun

By: Flu-Bird

Flu-Bird — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:01:04 +0000

And they travel there in their lear and gulfstream jets are driven there in their gas guzzling limos use up hundreds of kiliwatt hours of electricity and countless gallons of water while desinging ways to control our lives as designed by the sinister CFR

By: megapotamus

megapotamus — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:19:17 +0000

It is not a question of man-caused global warming as there is no global warming. Not addressed in the article is the single biggest hole in the fabric of this hoax. The leading “fact” for the warmists was a simple graph (The Mann or Hockey-stick graph) that showed modern temperatures spiking up from a nearly flat past of several centuries duration. This was an obvious fraud to anyone, layman or expert, who reads Dickens and knows the Thames used to freeze solid. Only now decades later is it coming to light that the tree ring proxies used to produce that graph are falsified. Utterly, outright falsified. The other early and leading factor was NASA scientist James Hansen waiving temperature records and declaring AGW as a fact. These data were also falsified and also impacted UP by the removal of old Soviet monitoring stations for political reasons. There is no global warming, friends, except the return to norm that followed the last modest cooling period which anyone older than 30 should know was also hyped into a global calamity in the ’80s.

By: Sonicfrog

Sonicfrog — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:28:49 +0000

How on Earth did I miss this thread, as Dan knows, this is my all time favorite subject.

Stange thing is, there really isn’t much to say… except….So much for James Hansen’s famed “tipping point”. Sorry Jimmy. There was a tipping point, but it wasn’t in the direction you predicted.

By: The_Livewire

The_Livewire — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:51:43 +0000

Funny thing about Von Newman, his VonNewman machines are really examples of government programs. Consuming resources to make more copies of themselves.

By: Pat

Pat — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:28:48 +0000

There’s more than one?

Sean, you got me here. I imagine there’s more than one, but I can’t think of any off-hand.

By: Sean A

Sean A — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:48:39 +0000

I would really love to get excited about the BBC daring to publish a story on October 9, 2009 that doesn’t treat extinction-level, imminent global warming as a foregone conclusion, but any enthusiasm I might have had for this unprecedented, unexpected development from the liberal Euro-media evaporated with the NYT’s October 10, 2009 publication of a joint opinion piece authored by Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) titled, “Yes We Can (Pass Climate Change Legislation)”. Money quote: “First, we agree that climate change is real and threatens our economy and national security. That is why we are advocating aggressive reductions in our emissions of the carbon gases that cause climate change.”

So, it’s irrelevant whether it is now safe to question the existence of man-made global warming or the degree of threat it poses to mankind without being dismissed as an insane, flat-Earth kook. A few months ago, eight GOP representatives screwed their supporters and ensured the passage of the cap-and-tax bill in exchange for political bribes from the Wicked Witch of the West (Pelosi). Now a high-profile GOP Senator (one whose state currently has 11 percent unemployment) has confirmed his inability to resist the seductive reward of MSM adoration by putting his full support behind cap-and-tax in the Senate (struggling businesses and unemployed Americans be damned). A BBC “Climate Correspondent” is now more skeptical of man-made global warming than a REPUBLICAN Senator. Sorry, I’m just not in the mood to hang streamers in celebration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/opinion/11kerrygraham.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1255244771-4pFWQx5XpmH2a/nbcU7d1w

http://www.wcnc.com/jobteam/stories/wcnc-091809-al-unemployment_numbers.190c234a8.html

By: Sean A

Sean A — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:45:10 +0000

#2: “I’m one of those liberals who isn’t convinced of global warming…”

There’s more than one?

By: Alex in Denver

Alex in Denver — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:16:12 +0000

First snow of the season this morning in Denver; Colorado ski resorts opening at earliest date in 40 years, and yet I still have to avoid eye contact with those seemingly ubiquitous Greenpeace volunteers trying to get me to help save polar bears.

I suppose that’s why it’s now “Climate Change” instead of “Global Warming”–so they can have it both ways.

By: MFS

MFS — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:36:10 +0000

Pat: Your point is well taken. There’s a big difference between "weather" and "climate." Skeptics run the risk of sounding as ridiculous as Al Gore and his hurricane predictions.

That said, Bruce’s larger point is still relevant: the computer models could never predict micro-trends and now can’t do macro-trends either. With trillions of dollars on the line in the West and the developing world, we need much better programming.

(Interestring aside: the first computers were envisioned by Johann Von Neumann as a way to predict the weather several weeks in advance. He gave it up as an impossible task back in the 60′s, but we just keep trying. Come to think of it he was pretty conservative and had an encyclopedic store of off-color jokes. Two more points in his favor. We need a new Johnny Neumann!)

Best wishes,

By: SoCalRobert

SoCalRobert — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:08:27 +0000

Eric – the equation is simple. Taking the square root, integrating over the last twenty years and doing a little factoring, I came up with this:

Global warming stories = more grant money

It’s not warming stories = less grant money

By: jax dancer

jax dancer — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:36:47 +0000

Having just come in from mowing the lawn, I have to say that global warming IS fact – it’s much warmer now than it was this morning when I let the dogs out! And I expect global cooling to take place as I enjoy a frosty beverage later this evening. . .

By: Pat

Pat — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:36:21 +0000

Eric, the increased ice in Antarctica has not received the attention of the ozone hole over Antarctica. But I’ve seen graphics over the past few years that while showing the Arctic region having warmer climate and smaller icecap regions, they have also shown that Antarctica has been cooler. So, it’s been out there.

By: Pat

Pat — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:30:55 +0000

I’m one of those liberals who isn’t convinced of global warming, or that this warming period is or will be worse than the cycles of warming we’ve had in the past, say 100,000 years or so.

But I disagree, Bruce, with one point that you’ve made in your post. And it’s the same mistake that those who believe we’re heading for global warming make as well. Using evidence of current weather to bolster your case. In other words, what’s happening in Denver and Chicago is zero evidence that there is no global warming. Just like a recent January weekend of over 70 degree weather in NJ isn’t evidence of global warming either.

By: Eric Olsen

Eric Olsen — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:01:32 +0000

According to the World Climate Report…

The ice melt across during the Antarctic summer (October-January) of 2008-2009 was the lowest ever recorded in the satellite history.” Marco Tedesco and Andrew Monaghan, in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, report, “A 30-year minimum Antarctic snowmelt record occurred during austral summer 2008-2009 according to space borne microwave observations for 1980-2009. Strong positive phases of both the El-Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and the Southern Hemisphere Annular Mode (SAM) were recorded during the months leading up to and including the 2008-2009 melt season.”

So where is all the media attention? NASA researchers for years have dutifully released a plentiful supply of stories about melting sea ice in the Arctic, but icy news at the South Pole has yet to prompt a NASA report. Obviously, if warmers can silence the opposition, it helps build the hoax — er, “consensus.”