And here you are! Figures you’d be a conservative. As a former Democrat who now calls myself Independent, the more I listen and watch, the more I see that Democrats stand for nothing of importance.

If they can’t stand in the streets (which I as an Independent have at Iranian freedom protests) outraged over the hanging of gay men and stoning of women, what do they stand for?

Good work opening eyes!

Oh, wait, at one time we did. Wonder who killed it?

As for voting, I’ve hit the cynical stage. I expect very little of politicians, especially in terms of honesty and integrity, and I usually vote for what I perceive is the lesser of two evils. While I have voted for more Democrats recently, I still vote for Republicans. When possible, I base my vote on what I think a politician will do, not what they say they will do.

In case you haven’t noticed, politicians don’t do anything because it’s the right thing to do. Seriously, if you looked at his remarks prior to being elected, he wasn’t a gay friendly presidential candidate. However, it did show very clearly that he promised every thing to everybody and would not deliver. That’s his M.O- say what you want to hear to get your vote and then vote “present”.

Until gays get it through their head that Democrats don’t want to help them either, this will be a continuing cycle that goes on endlessly.
Tell me, how many years have you been voting Democrat, waiting for them to “do the right thing”?

Agreed.

4.why would Obama stand up for you gays?

Because it’s the right thing to do, Rory. I agree with the point about donating money, and getting backstabbed, and all that. But we’re also talking proportion here. We’re talking about simply not getting beat up at the hands of repressive regime vs. inequality regarding the military or marriage privileges.

As someone who is niether gay or Republican, I marvel at what fools most gays are, blindly supporting people that so blatently lie to their face and use them. there is only one difference between Democrats and Republicans on gay issues-Republicans are honest to your face and at least respect you enough not to use you. Democrats have no problem taking advantage again and again of gay suckers. and why not? you ony up again and again when no results have happened or will happen, ever.

Obama does not think BIG when it comes to global freedom, hence he does mention it in a context beyond domestic legislation.

We’ve all met the gay immigrants from Cuba, Russia, Venezuela, China… HRC may seem irrevelant to us, but for folks in those countries they look to HRC and America as an example in leaderership for their freedom. It would have been a perfect forum for him to call out this issue. He would expend ZERO political capital speaking about human rights for gays in the Arab world.

The sincerity on personal freedom is just not there. It’s difficult to see Obama as a liberator.