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	<title>Comments on: Do GOP Leaders Get that Fiscal Conservatism is a Winning Issue?</title>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; The Remarkable resilience of Reaganite Ideas of Reform</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/10/16/do-gop-leaders-get-that-fiscal-conservatism-is-a-winning-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-502051</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; The Remarkable resilience of Reaganite Ideas of Reform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] leads me to repeat the question I asked in my very first post on this election: Do GOP Leaders Get that Fiscal Conservatism is a Winning Issue?    Comments [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Doug Hoffman for Congress</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Doug Hoffman for Congress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all changed upon learning from the Wall Street Journal’s John Fund that Scozzafava was “the most liberal member of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, 

Good man, sounds like you are doing good work. 

If we can get the libertarian and conservative factions of the GOP to work together, we can oust the &quot;big government republican&quot; leadership that is currently screwing up the party. 

But i think you are expecting too much to get people to vote for a candidate in another party. I saw a poll recently that showed only 14% of Americans know the difference between Republicans and Democrats. I expect even fewer know what the Libertarian party stands for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, </p>
<p>Good man, sounds like you are doing good work. </p>
<p>If we can get the libertarian and conservative factions of the GOP to work together, we can oust the &#8220;big government republican&#8221; leadership that is currently screwing up the party. </p>
<p>But i think you are expecting too much to get people to vote for a candidate in another party. I saw a poll recently that showed only 14% of Americans know the difference between Republicans and Democrats. I expect even fewer know what the Libertarian party stands for.</p>
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		<title>By: scr_north</title>
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		<dc:creator>scr_north</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all.  Well it seems evident that the GOP is pretty well controlled by soft conservatives.  Why aren&#039;t the real conservatives not joining the local district associations (or whatever they are called) in order to control the candidate nominations?  This mess in NY 23rd is going to result in a Dem winning a relatively safe GOP seat.  While this may not mean a lot this year it does not bode well for 2010.  If the GOP returns to it&#039;s base then you may have fewer independents running which splits the conservative votes and you may have more people turning out to vote.
FYI, I&#039;m a conservative from Canada and when we have our elections we have 5 parties running for votes in Quebec and 4 parties running in the country overall.  Vote splitting can be a real issue (well, it can also be fun to watch in some cases).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all.  Well it seems evident that the GOP is pretty well controlled by soft conservatives.  Why aren&#8217;t the real conservatives not joining the local district associations (or whatever they are called) in order to control the candidate nominations?  This mess in NY 23rd is going to result in a Dem winning a relatively safe GOP seat.  While this may not mean a lot this year it does not bode well for 2010.  If the GOP returns to it&#8217;s base then you may have fewer independents running which splits the conservative votes and you may have more people turning out to vote.<br />
FYI, I&#8217;m a conservative from Canada and when we have our elections we have 5 parties running for votes in Quebec and 4 parties running in the country overall.  Vote splitting can be a real issue (well, it can also be fun to watch in some cases).</p>
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		<title>By: keyboard jockey</title>
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		<dc:creator>keyboard jockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheriff Joe Arpaio, under attack from the Federal Government for doing his job.

Phoenix Arizona Kidnapping Capitol of the U.S.A. Homeland security playing politics with American’s safety?

http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/10/pheonix-arizona-kidnapping-capitol-of.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheriff Joe Arpaio, under attack from the Federal Government for doing his job.</p>
<p>Phoenix Arizona Kidnapping Capitol of the U.S.A. Homeland security playing politics with American’s safety?</p>
<p><a href="http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/10/pheonix-arizona-kidnapping-capitol-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/10/pheonix-arizona-kidnapping-capitol-of.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Hey, Ms. Scozzafava, How&#8217;s that &#8220;Stimulus&#8221; Working out for New York?</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Hey, Ms. Scozzafava, How&#8217;s that &#8220;Stimulus&#8221; Working out for New York?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric Dondero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Dondero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American Elephant,

You&#039;re talking to the greatest advocate in the Nation for Libertarians working within the GOP.  I&#039;m the Publisher of Libertarian Republican.  I&#039;m the Founder of the Republican Liberty Caucus.  I&#039;m the guy that got Ron Paul to switch back to the GOP in the early 1990s, and helped him win his Congressional seat back in 1996.

Perhaps you misunderstand the Smithers situation.  Again, THERE WAS NO REPUBLICAN ON THE BALLOT!  It was a special circumstance; A fluke election.  

And even with no Republican on the ballot, the Conservatives still chose to run a silly write-in effort, instead of backing the &quot;very Republican leaning&quot; Libertarian candidate who was on the ballot.  

It was a chance for us Republicans to show our Libertarian friends that they mattered as part of the broader GOP coalition.  And we Republicans blew it!

Made my job of outreach to Libertarians for the GOP 100 times more harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Elephant,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re talking to the greatest advocate in the Nation for Libertarians working within the GOP.  I&#8217;m the Publisher of Libertarian Republican.  I&#8217;m the Founder of the Republican Liberty Caucus.  I&#8217;m the guy that got Ron Paul to switch back to the GOP in the early 1990s, and helped him win his Congressional seat back in 1996.</p>
<p>Perhaps you misunderstand the Smithers situation.  Again, THERE WAS NO REPUBLICAN ON THE BALLOT!  It was a special circumstance; A fluke election.  </p>
<p>And even with no Republican on the ballot, the Conservatives still chose to run a silly write-in effort, instead of backing the &#8220;very Republican leaning&#8221; Libertarian candidate who was on the ballot.  </p>
<p>It was a chance for us Republicans to show our Libertarian friends that they mattered as part of the broader GOP coalition.  And we Republicans blew it!</p>
<p>Made my job of outreach to Libertarians for the GOP 100 times more harder.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, 

The Republican party does not exist to elect other parties to office. If libertarians want to get elected, they should run as Republicans, as Ron Paul learned the hard way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, </p>
<p>The Republican party does not exist to elect other parties to office. If libertarians want to get elected, they should run as Republicans, as Ron Paul learned the hard way.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is certainly a faction of the Republican party, call it the Frum/Brooks big government wing, who feel the exact same way about fiscal conservatism that you do about social conservatism (Actually they share your views on social conservatism as well) --- that times have changed, people have become &quot;enlightened&quot; and thats not what people really want anymore. 

(You still have not showed, by the way, any evidence whatsoever that de-emphasizing social conservatism would bring success for the GOP. Nor cited any examples of that strategy working. Nor have you explained why that strategy did NOT work in 2006 and 2008.  Nor have you done anything whatsoever to refute the very recent, very stark evidence that social conservatism does well even in the most liberal states where moderate Republicans do not, but I digress, I cant force you to actually make your case. And I certainly cant find any support for it at ALL. Apparently neither can you.)

But as Ronald Reagan illustrated, and Bush to some degree, Republicans must unite fiscal, foreign policy AND social conservatives in order to win. (Yes, fiscal conservatives united behind Bush -- they just ended up being disappointed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is certainly a faction of the Republican party, call it the Frum/Brooks big government wing, who feel the exact same way about fiscal conservatism that you do about social conservatism (Actually they share your views on social conservatism as well) &#8212; that times have changed, people have become &#8220;enlightened&#8221; and thats not what people really want anymore. </p>
<p>(You still have not showed, by the way, any evidence whatsoever that de-emphasizing social conservatism would bring success for the GOP. Nor cited any examples of that strategy working. Nor have you explained why that strategy did NOT work in 2006 and 2008.  Nor have you done anything whatsoever to refute the very recent, very stark evidence that social conservatism does well even in the most liberal states where moderate Republicans do not, but I digress, I cant force you to actually make your case. And I certainly cant find any support for it at ALL. Apparently neither can you.)</p>
<p>But as Ronald Reagan illustrated, and Bush to some degree, Republicans must unite fiscal, foreign policy AND social conservatives in order to win. (Yes, fiscal conservatives united behind Bush &#8212; they just ended up being disappointed).</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Dondero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Dondero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what about the blatant hypocrisy of Conservatives?  In 2006, Tom DeLay unexpectedly resigned his seat, which left the Republicans without a candidate on the ballot.  

The Libertarian Party had a fine candidate in Bob Smither, a conservative local crime fighter hero, who pledged to &quot;Caucus with Republicans,&quot; if elected.

Despite enormous pleas and begging from local libertarian Republicans, the Houston/Ft. Bend County GOPs decided to run a ridiculous write-in campaign for Shelly Sekula-Gibbs.  

Of course, it was predictable.  Democrat Nick Lampson clobbered her.  Smither still ended up getting 6%.  He could&#039;ve won, if it were not for the stubborness of Conservatives locally AND nationally (numerous appeals were made to Erick Erickson and RedState to no avail.)

And now the Conservatives want moderate and libertarian Republicans to back their 3rd party Conservative candidate?  

I&#039;d probably otherwise support Hoffman over Scazzofava were it not for the hypocrisy on 3rd parties by Conservatives - okay to back a Conservative, but not a Libertarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what about the blatant hypocrisy of Conservatives?  In 2006, Tom DeLay unexpectedly resigned his seat, which left the Republicans without a candidate on the ballot.  </p>
<p>The Libertarian Party had a fine candidate in Bob Smither, a conservative local crime fighter hero, who pledged to &#8220;Caucus with Republicans,&#8221; if elected.</p>
<p>Despite enormous pleas and begging from local libertarian Republicans, the Houston/Ft. Bend County GOPs decided to run a ridiculous write-in campaign for Shelly Sekula-Gibbs.  </p>
<p>Of course, it was predictable.  Democrat Nick Lampson clobbered her.  Smither still ended up getting 6%.  He could&#8217;ve won, if it were not for the stubborness of Conservatives locally AND nationally (numerous appeals were made to Erick Erickson and RedState to no avail.)</p>
<p>And now the Conservatives want moderate and libertarian Republicans to back their 3rd party Conservative candidate?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d probably otherwise support Hoffman over Scazzofava were it not for the hypocrisy on 3rd parties by Conservatives &#8211; okay to back a Conservative, but not a Libertarian.</p>
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