Sit back and enjoy the delusion of the silly one screaming itself out by demonizing Bush for allegedly doing things that it cheers and claps Obama for doing. We’ve already watched Levi holler that anyone who continued to allow extraordinary rendition was a war criminal who should be impeached, only to reverse himself when it was pointed out to him that his Obama was doing it. The gymnastics will only get better from this point forward.

That’s idiotic.

You didn’t even watch the clip you linked to, did you?

Let’s also not forget that the Bush administration specifically threatened certain journalists with jail time for reporting on Bush’s blatantly illegal activities, as well as detained/tortured a whole roster of foreign correspondents and journalists for years for ‘working with terrorists,’ when all they were really doing was documenting the havoc that Bush’s war started.

[Citation Needed]

That much is nearly indisputable, and quick Google/Youtube searches will find hundreds and hundreds of examples of Fox News violating every journalistic ethics rule in the book. Not since Nixon….

A quick scan finds liberal douchebag lying points. What we DON’T find is FNC blowing up cars to “prove” how unsafe they are, showing bodies after a jet crashes in the Everglades, shilling for Hamas, creating “military records” at Kinkos, shilling for Saddam Hussein, showing where our missiles are hitting etc. I think you’ll also find that FNC wasn’t bitching because they weren’t allowed to show dead bodies in New Orleans either.

Wanna try again, Levi?

That’s idiotic.

http://vodpod.com/watch/2373384-bush-spokesman-says-obama-spokesmen-shouldnt-criticize-media-after-bush-spokesman-criticized-media

There’s Dana Perino, specifically singling out NBC News. Not since Nixon, eh?

Let’s also not forget that the Bush administration specifically threatened certain journalists with jail time for reporting on Bush’s blatantly illegal activities, as well as detained/tortured a whole roster of foreign correspondents and journalists for years for ‘working with terrorists,’ when all they were really doing was documenting the havoc that Bush’s war started.

Meanwhile, a couple of Obama’s boys have come out and said that Fox News isn’t a news organization. That much is nearly indisputable, and quick Google/Youtube searches will find hundreds and hundreds of examples of Fox News violating every journalistic ethics rule in the book. Not since Nixon…. yeah right, you guys are morons.

I appreciate the fact that you’re a Christian, NDT–but you don’t bring it up very often… Why are you reticent about discussing your faith as it pertains to your politics on a gay board? Because… gay Christian conservatives are still sort of declasse’?

At #30, Ashpenaz referred to:

closeted and self-loathing Christians like NDT

Which of those would be “confrontative and sarcastic language”? Which was real, and which was snarky kidding around just like Ann Coulter or Jesus supposedly would have done? Because notice that both express the same basic (and toxic) idea.

Incidentally, the Swedish Lutheran Church announced it will marry gay couples. Go Lutherans!

Ashpenaz, you’re kidding, right? I mean the latter part.

I’m sure that Christianity owes much to closeted and self-loathing Christians like NDT–but isn’t it a better world when we can all tell the truth about ourselves?

You’re kidding again, I hope. I think it’s clear to just about everyone on board that NDT is a Christian, a fact, that he has never shied upon. It’s also clear that this perspective is used when he makes his comments, and despite our squabbles, a perspective I usually agree with.

The point here is when one makes an argument that simply states something like “because I’m Christian” is just as weak as someone saying, “because I’m gay.” If I stated that it’s okay to be promiscuous and/or to be a predator, because I’m gay, I should be questioned about it, shouldn’t I?

Bruce, sorry for also going on this tangent, but this was an interesting topic.

Let’s get back OT on Dan’s post now, please…..

Bruce, will do.

Any Christian who openly discusses his faith is assumed to be waving a flag.

Bzzzzzzzzt, wrong answer. Someone’s not reading / listening.

Do I sound like a whiny victim? Good–I’ve been trained by the best

Who? (Note that Jesus never sounded like a whiny victim. And are you comparing yourself to Him again?)

closeted and self-loathing Christians like NDT

Ash, that’s a pathetic insult on a fine contributor to this blog.

I agree and there have been a number of times that I point out that I’m a Christian as well as the gay thing.

I think you make a good point and I’ll try to do more. I’m always looking to challenge the “conventional wisdom” and a gay Christian in this day-and-age is a good one.

Let’s get back OT on Dan’s post now, please…..

When I link to a thoughtful, well-reasoned document which combines human psychology, Scripture, tradition, reason, and experience and brings that all together to help find a better paradigm for homosexual morality, no one follows the link. People want to continue to believe stereotypes rather than examine evidence to the contrary. Does that sound familiar? I would think that gays would be people who want most to end unfounded prejudice. I guess as long as its prejudice against Christians, that’s OK. Remember, Christians face the death penalty in Muslim countries, too–when was the last time gays worked on their behalf? “Oh, go ahead, shoot the silly Christians–but the gays deserve human rights.”

Of course, Christianity is a CHOICE. It’s not like anal sex, which is inborn and immutable.

Do I sound like a whiny victim? Good–I’ve been trained by the best–”We’re here, we’re Christian, get used to it!”

I’m sure that Christianity owes much to closeted and self-loathing Christians like NDT–but isn’t it a better world when we can all tell the truth about ourselves?

Mega-dittoes.

Ashpenaz, if someone espouses conservative views independent from faith, it is selfish? In any case, if what you say is true, then perhaps the problem is the latter group?

I am also getting the message that it is NOT OK to be a gay conservative who is a Christian.

Making every comment an advertisement for ELCA is a little tedious, but other than that, I don’t see what you’re talking about.

I am also getting the message that it is NOT OK to be a gay conservative who is a Christian.

I haven’t seen anyone sending that message other than the Christian-hating lefty trolls. Point it out when it happens and I will be happy to defend gay Christian conservatives.

Gays who are conservative for [rational, secular] reasons aren’t going to impress most faithful conservatives.

I happen to know a few exceptions. But, “whatever”. Tell you what, Ash. Build bridges to straight, religious conservatives in your way and in your free time, and let some of the other gay conservatives on this blog do it in theirs.