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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; 6.NJ being very dark blue, and having the experience of the Al Franken “win” in MN, I’m not sure how the democrats will lose the NJ governors mansion. Don’t they usually just keep counting and counting until they win? &lt;/i&gt; 

Gene, I&#039;m sure that can happen.  But since 1981, we&#039;ve had three very close governor races, and they were won by Republicans (Tom Kean once and Christie Whitman twice).  

&lt;i&gt; 7.Im not familiar with the Republican candidate. Whats he done that is corrupt? &lt;/i&gt;

AmericanElephant, there are at least as many ethical clouds hanging over Christie&#039;s head.  He shortchanged on taxes (but did admit it was a mistake).  He&#039;s been accused of giving no-bid contracts, including John Ashcroft&#039;s law firm, while U.S. Attorney.  One of his aide, Michele Brown, was accused of receiving an improper loan from Christie, and failing to report it.  She has since resigned from his campaign team.  Whether or not there is anything more to this, I don&#039;t know.  But I will say this isn&#039;t just Democratic talking points.  His main opponent in the primaries, Steve Lonegan, first brought up these allegations.  

&lt;i&gt; 8.Pat, from all the stories I’ve read 90% of the corruption comes from the Dems, 10% from GOP. That’s hardly equally corrupt. &lt;/i&gt;

Dan, with the stats you&#039;ve mentioned, that indeed would not be equally corrupt.  I can only tell you from what I hear and see.  And I see it on both sides.  Right now, it&#039;s probably more Democrat, as there are more Democrats in office throughout the state.  But when Republicans were in power, they have lead in the amount of corruption, especially in the county where I live.  What I find most disturbing is, in public, they condemn the other party of corruption, among other things, but act like best buddies when the cameras are off.  

One thing I give Christie a lot of credit is, as part of his work as U.S. Attorney, a lot of politicians were arrested, and almost all of them are on their way to prison.  Almost all of them are Democrats.  Fine by me.  More of these scum need to be caught and sent to jail.  

&lt;i&gt; Have you decided who you’re voting for? &lt;/i&gt;

No, but I will most likely be holding my nose and vote for Corzine.  While he is, by no means, a stellar candidate, there are some pluses in my view.  He is the first governor in a long time to provide some fiscal restraint.  Granted, he has been forced to because of the recession, but it appears that he has been using less accounting gimmicks than previous governors, and yes, that includes Kean and Whitman.  He has been no worse in trying to solve long term problems that have plagued NJ.  These include higher tax rates, property taxes, and car insurance rates.  And frankly, I don&#039;t think Christie will do a better job with these.  I believe Corzine is stronger on gay rights, although I don&#039;t think Christie will be turning the clock back on that.  At the very least, I don&#039;t think he would try to rescind civil unions.  There is another issue that is personal (and I&#039;ll have to leave it at that), that favors Corzine.  

I don&#039;t think Christie will be terrible for NJ as a whole.  In fact, one with conservative views would definitely favor Christie over Corzine, although they probably would have preferred his main primary opponent, Lonegan.  

And you&#039;re right that Daggett&#039;s probably a spoiler for Christie, if anything.  There are many who are Democrats who don&#039;t want to vote for Corzine, and Daggett gives them that option without having to vote for Christie.  

Anyway, it should be interesting tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> 6.NJ being very dark blue, and having the experience of the Al Franken “win” in MN, I’m not sure how the democrats will lose the NJ governors mansion. Don’t they usually just keep counting and counting until they win? </i> </p>
<p>Gene, I&#8217;m sure that can happen.  But since 1981, we&#8217;ve had three very close governor races, and they were won by Republicans (Tom Kean once and Christie Whitman twice).  </p>
<p><i> 7.Im not familiar with the Republican candidate. Whats he done that is corrupt? </i></p>
<p>AmericanElephant, there are at least as many ethical clouds hanging over Christie&#8217;s head.  He shortchanged on taxes (but did admit it was a mistake).  He&#8217;s been accused of giving no-bid contracts, including John Ashcroft&#8217;s law firm, while U.S. Attorney.  One of his aide, Michele Brown, was accused of receiving an improper loan from Christie, and failing to report it.  She has since resigned from his campaign team.  Whether or not there is anything more to this, I don&#8217;t know.  But I will say this isn&#8217;t just Democratic talking points.  His main opponent in the primaries, Steve Lonegan, first brought up these allegations.  </p>
<p><i> 8.Pat, from all the stories I’ve read 90% of the corruption comes from the Dems, 10% from GOP. That’s hardly equally corrupt. </i></p>
<p>Dan, with the stats you&#8217;ve mentioned, that indeed would not be equally corrupt.  I can only tell you from what I hear and see.  And I see it on both sides.  Right now, it&#8217;s probably more Democrat, as there are more Democrats in office throughout the state.  But when Republicans were in power, they have lead in the amount of corruption, especially in the county where I live.  What I find most disturbing is, in public, they condemn the other party of corruption, among other things, but act like best buddies when the cameras are off.  </p>
<p>One thing I give Christie a lot of credit is, as part of his work as U.S. Attorney, a lot of politicians were arrested, and almost all of them are on their way to prison.  Almost all of them are Democrats.  Fine by me.  More of these scum need to be caught and sent to jail.  </p>
<p><i> Have you decided who you’re voting for? </i></p>
<p>No, but I will most likely be holding my nose and vote for Corzine.  While he is, by no means, a stellar candidate, there are some pluses in my view.  He is the first governor in a long time to provide some fiscal restraint.  Granted, he has been forced to because of the recession, but it appears that he has been using less accounting gimmicks than previous governors, and yes, that includes Kean and Whitman.  He has been no worse in trying to solve long term problems that have plagued NJ.  These include higher tax rates, property taxes, and car insurance rates.  And frankly, I don&#8217;t think Christie will do a better job with these.  I believe Corzine is stronger on gay rights, although I don&#8217;t think Christie will be turning the clock back on that.  At the very least, I don&#8217;t think he would try to rescind civil unions.  There is another issue that is personal (and I&#8217;ll have to leave it at that), that favors Corzine.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Christie will be terrible for NJ as a whole.  In fact, one with conservative views would definitely favor Christie over Corzine, although they probably would have preferred his main primary opponent, Lonegan.  </p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right that Daggett&#8217;s probably a spoiler for Christie, if anything.  There are many who are Democrats who don&#8217;t want to vote for Corzine, and Daggett gives them that option without having to vote for Christie.  </p>
<p>Anyway, it should be interesting tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If Republicans go 4 for 4, Obama’s agenda is dead at least through next November. If they go 3 for 4, that will probably be good enough.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Optimistic aren&#039;t you! Call me cynical, but i suspect even if they are trounced, they will spin it, the media will support them in that spin, and they will keep right on destroying the country -- in fact, they will probably pick up the pace and get more blatantly corrupt, trying to ram through as much of their agenda and trying to cement themselves in power before next fall. 

If they lose big, look for the FCC to pass &quot;local control&quot; or &quot;minority ownership&quot; laws right away, look for major shenanigans with the Census, card check will come back...anything they think will help them stay in power! Everything they have done since getting elected has been to keep themselves in power, and it will only get worse if they feel threatened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If Republicans go 4 for 4, Obama’s agenda is dead at least through next November. If they go 3 for 4, that will probably be good enough.</p></blockquote>
<p>Optimistic aren&#8217;t you! Call me cynical, but i suspect even if they are trounced, they will spin it, the media will support them in that spin, and they will keep right on destroying the country &#8212; in fact, they will probably pick up the pace and get more blatantly corrupt, trying to ram through as much of their agenda and trying to cement themselves in power before next fall. </p>
<p>If they lose big, look for the FCC to pass &#8220;local control&#8221; or &#8220;minority ownership&#8221; laws right away, look for major shenanigans with the Census, card check will come back&#8230;anything they think will help them stay in power! Everything they have done since getting elected has been to keep themselves in power, and it will only get worse if they feel threatened.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Daniel Blatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Daniel Blatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, how do you figure Daggett will be a spoiler against Corzine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, how do you figure Daggett will be a spoiler against Corzine?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Q</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Conzine stays at 43% or less, he will lose.

Right now, Daggett is getting the people who don&#039;t want to vote for Corzine, but &lt;b&gt;won&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; vote for a Republican.  He&#039;s been trying to be a spoiler for Corzine, but will turn out to be a spoiler &lt;b&gt;against&lt;/b&gt; him. :-)

If Republicans go 4 for 4, Obama&#039;s agenda is dead at least through next November.  If they go 3 for 4, that will probably be good enough.

If Hoffman wins, you will see the RINOs all deciding thatObama just isn&#039;t for them.  If Corzine loses, you&#039;ll see the Blue Dogs all decide that they need to spend the next year showing their independence.

If Garamendi loses, There will be 50 - 60 Democrats in the House who won&#039;t want to have anything to do with Obama&#039;s agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Conzine stays at 43% or less, he will lose.</p>
<p>Right now, Daggett is getting the people who don&#8217;t want to vote for Corzine, but <b>won&#8217;t</b> vote for a Republican.  He&#8217;s been trying to be a spoiler for Corzine, but will turn out to be a spoiler <b>against</b> him. <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If Republicans go 4 for 4, Obama&#8217;s agenda is dead at least through next November.  If they go 3 for 4, that will probably be good enough.</p>
<p>If Hoffman wins, you will see the RINOs all deciding thatObama just isn&#8217;t for them.  If Corzine loses, you&#8217;ll see the Blue Dogs all decide that they need to spend the next year showing their independence.</p>
<p>If Garamendi loses, There will be 50 &#8211; 60 Democrats in the House who won&#8217;t want to have anything to do with Obama&#8217;s agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Daniel Blatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Daniel Blatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Sean A, let&#039;s hope the folk in Jersey know the party affiliation of the corrupt ones.  If the numbers were reversed, you can bet they&#039;d be saying that the corrupt ones were overwhelmingly Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Sean A, let&#8217;s hope the folk in Jersey know the party affiliation of the corrupt ones.  If the numbers were reversed, you can bet they&#8217;d be saying that the corrupt ones were overwhelmingly Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8: Actually, Dan, in the most recent round of corruption arrests in New Jersey (bribery to selling organs), the percentage was closer to 98% Democrat and 2% Republican (44 government officials were arrested--43 were Democrats, 1 was a Republican).

CNN&#039;s Wolf Blitzer and Deborah Feyerick reported the story as: “Dozens of public figures, including mayors, are caught in a stunning corruption sweep. They belong to both major parties.” (Blitzer) And: “nearly 30 politicians and public officials, Democrats and Republicans, were rounded up in what prosecutors called the largest sweep of its kind.” (Feyerick)

Charles Gibson (ABC), Katie Couric (CBS), and Brian Williams (NBC), all reported the story on their evening news casts without mentioning party affiliation.

I know.  SHOCKER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8: Actually, Dan, in the most recent round of corruption arrests in New Jersey (bribery to selling organs), the percentage was closer to 98% Democrat and 2% Republican (44 government officials were arrested&#8211;43 were Democrats, 1 was a Republican).</p>
<p>CNN&#8217;s Wolf Blitzer and Deborah Feyerick reported the story as: “Dozens of public figures, including mayors, are caught in a stunning corruption sweep. They belong to both major parties.” (Blitzer) And: “nearly 30 politicians and public officials, Democrats and Republicans, were rounded up in what prosecutors called the largest sweep of its kind.” (Feyerick)</p>
<p>Charles Gibson (ABC), Katie Couric (CBS), and Brian Williams (NBC), all reported the story on their evening news casts without mentioning party affiliation.</p>
<p>I know.  SHOCKER.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Daniel Blatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Daniel Blatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 05:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, from all the stories I&#039;ve read 90% of the corruption comes from the Dems, 10% from GOP.   That&#039;s hardly equally corrupt.

Have you decided who you&#039;re voting for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, from all the stories I&#8217;ve read 90% of the corruption comes from the Dems, 10% from GOP.   That&#8217;s hardly equally corrupt.</p>
<p>Have you decided who you&#8217;re voting for?</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im not familiar with the Republican candidate. Whats he done that is corrupt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im not familiar with the Republican candidate. Whats he done that is corrupt?</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NJ being very dark blue, and having the experience of the Al Franken &quot;win&quot; in  MN, I&#039;m not sure how the democrats will lose the NJ governors mansion. Don&#039;t they usually just keep counting and counting until they win?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NJ being very dark blue, and having the experience of the Al Franken &#8220;win&#8221; in  MN, I&#8217;m not sure how the democrats will lose the NJ governors mansion. Don&#8217;t they usually just keep counting and counting until they win?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; 2.That 41% of New Jersians (Jerseyites?) are STILL willing to vote for Corzine despite how blatantly corrupt he is shows how deeply corrupt that state and the Democrat party are. &lt;/i&gt;

And how awful the equally corrupt Republicans are in this state.  It really is equal opportunity here.  That&#039;s the reason a 3rd party candidate is doing as well as he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> 2.That 41% of New Jersians (Jerseyites?) are STILL willing to vote for Corzine despite how blatantly corrupt he is shows how deeply corrupt that state and the Democrat party are. </i></p>
<p>And how awful the equally corrupt Republicans are in this state.  It really is equal opportunity here.  That&#8217;s the reason a 3rd party candidate is doing as well as he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3: Dan, it&#039;s the one area where conservative candidates consistently outmaneuver liberal candidates: AUTHENTICITY.  Conservatives have it while liberals treat it as a political skill to be cultivated and carefully staged.  Naturally, it&#039;s one of those things where the more liberals desperately chase it, the more elusive (embarrassingly elusive) it becomes.  It was Hillary Clinton&#039;s fatal political flaw and her tenacity to overcome it made it exponentially worse (who could forget that pathetically fake Southern drawl that appeared in Alabama, that crying jag, ...)  She is, and always will be, authentically inauthentic (and I believe she would forgive Bill a thousand mistresses before she would ever give up an ounce of the seething resentment she feels toward him for having been one of the few liberals that truly mastered what she could not).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3: Dan, it&#8217;s the one area where conservative candidates consistently outmaneuver liberal candidates: AUTHENTICITY.  Conservatives have it while liberals treat it as a political skill to be cultivated and carefully staged.  Naturally, it&#8217;s one of those things where the more liberals desperately chase it, the more elusive (embarrassingly elusive) it becomes.  It was Hillary Clinton&#8217;s fatal political flaw and her tenacity to overcome it made it exponentially worse (who could forget that pathetically fake Southern drawl that appeared in Alabama, that crying jag, &#8230;)  She is, and always will be, authentically inauthentic (and I believe she would forgive Bill a thousand mistresses before she would ever give up an ounce of the seething resentment she feels toward him for having been one of the few liberals that truly mastered what she could not).</p>
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		<title>By: B. Daniel Blatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Daniel Blatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean A, and let&#039;s not forget Christie&#039;s classy use of the &quot;fat&quot; card on his Imus appearance.  That could help improve people&#039;s image of him, as most of us tend to like a guy who can laugh at himself, making fun of his own peccadillos and imperfections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean A, and let&#8217;s not forget Christie&#8217;s classy use of the &#8220;fat&#8221; card on his Imus appearance.  That could help improve people&#8217;s image of him, as most of us tend to like a guy who can laugh at himself, making fun of his own peccadillos and imperfections.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That 41% of New Jersians (Jerseyites?) are STILL willing to vote for Corzine despite how blatantly corrupt he is shows how deeply corrupt that state and the Democrat party are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That 41% of New Jersians (Jerseyites?) are STILL willing to vote for Corzine despite how blatantly corrupt he is shows how deeply corrupt that state and the Democrat party are.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, you might want to revisit your analysis later, depending on how this plays out:

Paramus man claiming to work for Corzine arrested on drug charges
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/paramus_man_claming_to_work_fo.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, you might want to revisit your analysis later, depending on how this plays out:</p>
<p>Paramus man claiming to work for Corzine arrested on drug charges<br />
<a href="http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/paramus_man_claming_to_work_fo.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/paramus_man_claming_to_work_fo.html</a></p>
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