Some sleazy, intellectually repugnant commentators on this blog are constantly trying to redefine the English language, even when every online dictionary disagrees with them, precisely to avoid seeing others arguments.

Not naming any names

We don’t agree on everything (thank the Divine) but we can talk rationally and see each other’s arguments

Haha. Not everyone on this blog can. (Also naming no names.)

You have religious conservatives (albiet a heritic) like myself, sane liberals like Pat, um, shall we say, loud conservative gays on the right who I don’t need to name .

We don’t agree on everything (thank the Divine) but we can talk rationally and see each other’s arguments. That’s the kind of movement that the ‘gay marriage’ crowd needs, not a storming of the gates, but a persuasion through trade.

Not when one considers that, according to said gay community, being gay requires you to be a pedophile-supporting antireligious leftist idiot.

The biggest problem in the gay community is that every single gay leader, every single gay group, and the vast majority of gay people use the Al Sharpton method — blame everything that goes wrong on your minority status and insist that anyone who dares criticize or disagree with you is anti-minority.

It’s quite ridiculous for anyone on this blog to be making judgment calls on the gay marriage issue when you can’t even forth-rightly declare your support for it. Does being a conservative in this day and age mean adhering to conservative values like the promotion of strong relationships and families that marriage supports, or the promotion of unbending “conservative” ideals which have never proven effective? I think there is a difference between progressive conservatism, which actively seeks to address modern concerns with conservative values, and regressive conservatism, whose only function seems to actively deny the reality of progress. One of those two is why we have a Democratic president and congress and why a conservative forced a Republican loss in NY-23. It’s also the reason that no one, despite your best intentions (I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt here) will take you seriously on this issue. You’re enforcing the notion of being the party of “no” instead of the party of “yes, but let’s do it this way.”

http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2009/11/to-win-avoid-gay-inc-help-houstons.html

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/254666/november-03-2009/nailed–em—mormon-church-trespassing

Living NH I saw a lot of the commercials, and honestly I thought the ads in favor of marriage were much better. I thought the anti gay marriage side’s commercials were kind of “the sky is falling” in their nature-and most of them weren’t really about gay marriage so much as what would happen in education if gays were allowed to marry.

I think at this point it is all in the tone of the debate and the arguments made. I think gays need to make the case for why they want the institution and not just the benefits of the institution. Those who are currently voting against gay marriage are concerned for the institution-it is in that area the debate needs to move.

As someone who completely lacks an organizational gene, I greatly admire the trait in others.

I 100% agree – the current “leadership” (term used loosely) needs to go.

Please, post or email a URL of the position you stand on. (Using excluded-middle and applying the law of non-contradiction) It seem like a simple request. Do you, Mr. Blatt, want same-sex marriage, or civil-unions. Maybe going the route of Plato you could split the horns of the dilemma and offer a third option (say, “none of the above”), but you giving me a URL or two to your archives would be very helpful to allow me to see where you stand.

PapaG

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Why should I participate in a Pride parade or protest when I know it is just that sort of negative visibility which is causing voters to reject gay marriage?

Why don’t gays join a church? There is a denomination for every belief–but having a spiritual community working for you would be helpful. Is it better to throw rocks at church, or join them and help educate? I go to an extremely conservative Bible study every week–they know I’m gay, and I am helping change their minds. What are YOU doing?

Why not adopt a highway? Help out at a food shelter? Or get active in some issue which DOESN’T involve gay rights? Show that gays aren’t narcissistic by help out other people with THEIR problems.

Support other minorities. Work to help undocumented workers who, like gays, suffer at the hands of unjust, outdated laws. Let’s work to change the laws for them, and maybe they’ll help change the laws for us.

Or, we can continue to have our little parades and protests and the orgies which go along with them and hope that people don’t get hit too hard by the swinging dildoes.

Why can’t we have a leadership which STOPS the protests and parades? Why can’t we have leadership that isn’t forever in whiny-voiced victim mode (like the guy I just saw on MSNBC)?

http://www.pinetreepolitics.com/2009/11/04/how-gay-marriage-lost-in-maine/

Make its case how? In support of Same Sex Marriage? Or to be happy with and settle for civil-unions?

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Sorry, this is my post in which I refer to Tammy Bruce and others:

http://religiopoliticaltalk.blogspot.com/2009/06/homosexuals-against-gay-marriage-come.html

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