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By: LesbianNeoCon

LesbianNeoCon — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:40:47 +0000

Did anyone watch the pilot episode of “V”? I could not help but think how eerily similar the blind devotion some gave the “visitors”, to the way the idiot masses flock to Obama. We all know the “visitors” are going to destroy us – or at least try to. Which is, pretty much, the same Obama agenda has in store for America.

By: Darkeyedresolve

Darkeyedresolve — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:12:56 +0000

Well its proven that this election, in VA, had a much lower turn out among Democrats than the past elections which resulted in Democratic wins. If the Dems had come out like they did before, the election would have been a lot closer or with a possible Deeds win.

And even with a more Republican/Conversative electorate that came out, Obama’s numbers are still pretty evenly split with 48-51 approval, disapproval.

The youth turnout was way down, and probably it was mostly young conservatives who came out to vote. The conservative base is energized and it has young people to come out and vote.

And if you are going to say his policies are on vote, then he is fine with healthcare. The voters who had health care for their main issue voted for the Democrat in both races, it was only issue that Deeds won on. The problem is its not the main issue, and unless he can turn that focus more; there could be a problem.

By: pumabydesign001

pumabydesign001 — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:05:24 +0000

As an African American, I am speaking based solely on what I am witnessing in my community, young people are clueless for the most part when it comes to Obama’s policies.

The only thing they get is that Obama is “cool,” “African American” and promised them hope and change.

I have noticed when discussing certain aspects of Obama’s agenda without mentioning his name, that many young and old are not happy and feel that their rights are being infringed upon.

However, the moment Obama’s name comes into the conversation everyone shuts up.

By: Chad

Chad — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:13:29 +0000

fair enough. perhaps i erred by using the term “en masse.” but i don’t even see evidence of dan’s conclusion, which you cite above.

By: ILoveCapitalism

ILoveCapitalism — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:55:27 +0000

I re-read Dan’s post, I didn’t find him claiming “en masse”. I found this:

Obama may not have been on the ballot… on Tuesday, but his policies were. And the more people look at them, the more they move away from his party.

Make of that what you will.

By: Chad

Chad — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:35:58 +0000

well, ilc, your conclusion is the different than dan’s. he states that younger voters are turning away from obama and his policies, and i don’t see the evidence the same way.

and it’s not just lower turnout, ilc. the composition of the electorate was very different. look at VA. the electorate from tuesday voted for mccain in 2008 by an 8 point margin, almost the exact opposite of the actual results. the proportion of the youth vote was substantially less. perhaps this is evidence of an energized conservative base, but i don’t see that as evidence that younger votes are rejecting obama, or his policies.

By: ILoveCapitalism

ILoveCapitalism — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:22:32 +0000

Since off-year elections almost by definition have fewer voters than Presidential years, and Presidential turnout would be the working definition of “en masse”… then yes Chad. Of course. When you’ll see “younger voters… en masse, turning away from obama” is: 2012.

By: Chad

Chad — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:18:32 +0000

i think you’re seeing evidence of a lack of enthusiasm amongst younger voters in these elections. i don’t think you’re seeing evidence that younger voters are, en masse, turning away from obama.

By: ILoveCapitalism

ILoveCapitalism — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:00:55 +0000

I had an interesting chat with my trouble-making (but basically well-intentioned) nephew recently who just entered the Marines. He said he voted for Obama, but just because “everyone did. The campaign was like, eww, do you really wanna vote for that Republican guy?” I hope he does well in the Marines, learns to think for himself and has better reasons next time, whoever he votes for.