Comments on: So, which party is riven by ideological disputes? http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/11/06/so-which-party-is-riven-by-ideological-disputes/ The Internet home for American gay conservatives. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:47:05 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Steven E. Kalbach http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/11/06/so-which-party-is-riven-by-ideological-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-504546 Steven E. Kalbach Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:13:45 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=18858#comment-504546 No, there was myst 2 then riven No, there was myst 2 then riven

]]> By: Kevin http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/11/06/so-which-party-is-riven-by-ideological-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-504488 Kevin Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:21:09 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=18858#comment-504488 Isn't riven the game that followed Myst? Isn’t riven the game that followed Myst?

]]> By: John http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/11/06/so-which-party-is-riven-by-ideological-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-504422 John Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:33:17 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=18858#comment-504422 I must admit that I'm finding it quite amusing to see the Dems' plan for victory in 2006 & 2008 come right back to bite them in the keister. How're them Blue Dogs now, Nance? Sure, you the cool Speaker title and office but somehow I doubt you ever thought you'd have to face this. Methinks a fresh bowl of warm buttery popcorn is needed... I must admit that I’m finding it quite amusing to see the Dems’ plan for victory in 2006 & 2008 come right back to bite them in the keister.

How’re them Blue Dogs now, Nance? Sure, you the cool Speaker title and office but somehow I doubt you ever thought you’d have to face this.

Methinks a fresh bowl of warm buttery popcorn is needed…

]]> By: American Elephant http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/11/06/so-which-party-is-riven-by-ideological-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-504419 American Elephant Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:25:54 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=18858#comment-504419 Good piece. I agree that Democrats are much more divided currently, but there is an issue you touch on here that I think deserves emphasis. Its a tiny bit tangential, but is directly relevant I think. And that is that BOTH parties are constantly having internal ideological struggles. So many people argue that we need a mutli-party system. But the truth is that we HAVE a multi-party system now. Within the Democrat party there are liberals, conservatives, moderates. There are Marxists, Socialists, Greens, etc... While within the Republican party there are social conservatives, social moderates and liberals, fiscal conservatives, "big government" Republicans etc... And ALL these groups are constantly vying for control. In the GOP, for example, the big-government Frumpites have destroyed the party, but are still in positions of power which they are desperately clinging to. The only real difference between our system and a multi-party system, is that our many parties have coalesced into permanent governing coalitions BEFORE any election takes place, while in pariliamentary systems, voters dont know what they are even getting until AFTER the results are in. And even after our elections, those coalitions change to some degree, as they are now with health care -- the radical left wing of the Democrat party against all factions of the Republican party AND "Blue Dog" democrats. Good piece. I agree that Democrats are much more divided currently, but there is an issue you touch on here that I think deserves emphasis. Its a tiny bit tangential, but is directly relevant I think. And that is that BOTH parties are constantly having internal ideological struggles.

So many people argue that we need a mutli-party system. But the truth is that we HAVE a multi-party system now.

Within the Democrat party there are liberals, conservatives, moderates. There are Marxists, Socialists, Greens, etc… While within the Republican party there are social conservatives, social moderates and liberals, fiscal conservatives, “big government” Republicans etc…

And ALL these groups are constantly vying for control. In the GOP, for example, the big-government Frumpites have destroyed the party, but are still in positions of power which they are desperately clinging to.

The only real difference between our system and a multi-party system, is that our many parties have coalesced into permanent governing coalitions BEFORE any election takes place, while in pariliamentary systems, voters dont know what they are even getting until AFTER the results are in.

And even after our elections, those coalitions change to some degree, as they are now with health care — the radical left wing of the Democrat party against all factions of the Republican party AND “Blue Dog” democrats.

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