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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Stimulus Was For Creating Jobs&#8230; Before It Was Against It</title>
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		<title>By: Steven E. Kalbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven E. Kalbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see today, that 4 pollsters now have Obama approval in the 40s.  Imagine that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see today, that 4 pollsters now have Obama approval in the 40s.  Imagine that.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven E. Kalbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven E. Kalbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see today, that 3 pollsters now have Obama approval in the 40s.  Imagine that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see today, that 3 pollsters now have Obama approval in the 40s.  Imagine that.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama’s Stimulus Was For Creating Jobs&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Except that it was never about creating jobs in the first place. It was about destroying jobs and enriching criminal liberals. It&#039;s about making America into the third-world shit-hole  Maobama and Tano believe it to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Obama’s Stimulus Was For Creating Jobs</p></blockquote>
<p>Except that it was never about creating jobs in the first place. It was about destroying jobs and enriching criminal liberals. It&#8217;s about making America into the third-world shit-hole  Maobama and Tano believe it to be.</p>
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		<title>By: ted B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a small business owner and professional, it really pisses-me-off that Wall Street and the &quot;Big Labor&quot; unions got the stimulus money...meanwhile I and my clients are frozen-out of the credit we need to survive.  Commercial and personal lines-of-credit...and credit card limits which many really-small businesses use as lines-of-credit...have been sharply reduced, the rates have sky-rocketed, and bank credit has dried-up.

Meanwhile the speculators, arbitrageurs and the parasites are enjoying record profits...and don&#039;t even have to lay-out those paper profits against last year&#039;s losses since the TARP paid them for them.  &lt;i&gt;Heads I wind, Tails you lose...&lt;/i&gt;  The argument &quot;too big to fail&quot; should have been used to forcibly break-up and de-capitalize the Wall Street just as monopolies are forcibly broken-up as dangers to the economy and good policy.

Sweat-equity Capitalism, yes...Casino Capitalism, never again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a small business owner and professional, it really pisses-me-off that Wall Street and the &#8220;Big Labor&#8221; unions got the stimulus money&#8230;meanwhile I and my clients are frozen-out of the credit we need to survive.  Commercial and personal lines-of-credit&#8230;and credit card limits which many really-small businesses use as lines-of-credit&#8230;have been sharply reduced, the rates have sky-rocketed, and bank credit has dried-up.</p>
<p>Meanwhile the speculators, arbitrageurs and the parasites are enjoying record profits&#8230;and don&#8217;t even have to lay-out those paper profits against last year&#8217;s losses since the TARP paid them for them.  <i>Heads I wind, Tails you lose&#8230;</i>  The argument &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; should have been used to forcibly break-up and de-capitalize the Wall Street just as monopolies are forcibly broken-up as dangers to the economy and good policy.</p>
<p>Sweat-equity Capitalism, yes&#8230;Casino Capitalism, never again.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wesley M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who is self-employed, and pays the Self-Employment Tax, a payroll tax holiday (or even just a small payroll tax cut) would be the single best thing the government could do to help my own family. And to prod us into making one of those big-ticket purchases we&#039;ve been putting off.

I doubt it will ever happen, though. It just makes too much sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who is self-employed, and pays the Self-Employment Tax, a payroll tax holiday (or even just a small payroll tax cut) would be the single best thing the government could do to help my own family. And to prod us into making one of those big-ticket purchases we&#8217;ve been putting off.</p>
<p>I doubt it will ever happen, though. It just makes too much sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Rush on this one, Obama doesn&#039;t want to create jobs. He hates the wealth builders and he wants more people dependent on government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Rush on this one, Obama doesn&#8217;t want to create jobs. He hates the wealth builders and he wants more people dependent on government.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;However, the website [Recovery.gov] is troubled with inaccuracies, and these problems are undermining its credibility. Wisconsin Democrat Rep. Dave Obey agrees: “The inaccuracies on recovery.gov that have come to light are outrageous and the Administration owes itself, the Congress, and every American a commitment to work night and day to correct the ludicrous mistakes.”&lt;/i&gt;

As the saying goes, this isn&#039;t a bug, it&#039;s a feature.

No one in Chicago has an accurate list of government contractors, nor do they have a reconciliation. Money just vanishes into bribes and kickbacks to cronies.

Obama is steeped in this culture. Rahm Emanuel is steeped in this culture. Nancy Pelosi is steeped in this culture. These are criminals and thieves who think taxpayer money is their own private piggy bank, and who are using this money to make kickback payments to their supporters.

Furthermore, how many &quot;jobs&quot; created are like Tano, who admits flat-out that he is being paid by the Obama administration, laundered through the National Institutes of Health, to spread his propaganda and lies here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>However, the website [Recovery.gov] is troubled with inaccuracies, and these problems are undermining its credibility. Wisconsin Democrat Rep. Dave Obey agrees: “The inaccuracies on recovery.gov that have come to light are outrageous and the Administration owes itself, the Congress, and every American a commitment to work night and day to correct the ludicrous mistakes.”</i></p>
<p>As the saying goes, this isn&#8217;t a bug, it&#8217;s a feature.</p>
<p>No one in Chicago has an accurate list of government contractors, nor do they have a reconciliation. Money just vanishes into bribes and kickbacks to cronies.</p>
<p>Obama is steeped in this culture. Rahm Emanuel is steeped in this culture. Nancy Pelosi is steeped in this culture. These are criminals and thieves who think taxpayer money is their own private piggy bank, and who are using this money to make kickback payments to their supporters.</p>
<p>Furthermore, how many &#8220;jobs&#8221; created are like Tano, who admits flat-out that he is being paid by the Obama administration, laundered through the National Institutes of Health, to spread his propaganda and lies here?</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it, $98,000,000,000 of porkulus money has been wasted?

If they have no idea how many jobs have been &quot;saved or created&quot;, how can they know where all the money is? And we&#039;re supposed to trust them with our health?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it, $98,000,000,000 of porkulus money has been wasted?</p>
<p>If they have no idea how many jobs have been &#8220;saved or created&#8221;, how can they know where all the money is? And we&#8217;re supposed to trust them with our health?</p>
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		<title>By: Duffy - Native Intelligence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duffy - Native Intelligence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humm...the Democrats are finally waking up...Hope &amp; Change strikes again!!!  The new slogan for Obama and Crew should be Spend and Fail.  Who received the money for &quot;reworking&quot; the website - I would bet that following that money trail would lead to some people who are &quot;friends&quot; with Obama Child.  Oh, and last but not least - Obama is the Poster Child for the failure of Affirmative Action.  The country put someone in the Presidency who was not qualified; however, he was an ethnic minority.  This Quota that ignorant Americans wanted to fill is backingfiring bigtime - the economy, corruption, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humm&#8230;the Democrats are finally waking up&#8230;Hope &amp; Change strikes again!!!  The new slogan for Obama and Crew should be Spend and Fail.  Who received the money for &#8220;reworking&#8221; the website &#8211; I would bet that following that money trail would lead to some people who are &#8220;friends&#8221; with Obama Child.  Oh, and last but not least &#8211; Obama is the Poster Child for the failure of Affirmative Action.  The country put someone in the Presidency who was not qualified; however, he was an ethnic minority.  This Quota that ignorant Americans wanted to fill is backingfiring bigtime &#8211; the economy, corruption, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, good point.  Here in Michigan, the liberal, pro-Obama, pro-Democrat Detroit Free Press had a bunch of reporters look at all 1800+ projects &quot;awarded&quot; Stimulus Spending Spree money and found that not only the job numbers were cooked... but nearly 75% of the projects either created a single job or no new jobs... and dividing all the real jobs created by the amount of money spent, each resulting new job cost US taxpayers $2.7million in Michigan.

http://www.freep.com/article/20091016/NEWS07/910160373/So-far--stimulus-contracts-aren%5C-t-big-boost-for-Michigan-jobs

And Michigan is supposedly ranked 9th in the Nation for jobs created under the Stimulus Spending Spree of Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, good point.  Here in Michigan, the liberal, pro-Obama, pro-Democrat Detroit Free Press had a bunch of reporters look at all 1800+ projects &#8220;awarded&#8221; Stimulus Spending Spree money and found that not only the job numbers were cooked&#8230; but nearly 75% of the projects either created a single job or no new jobs&#8230; and dividing all the real jobs created by the amount of money spent, each resulting new job cost US taxpayers $2.7million in Michigan.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freep.com/article/20091016/NEWS07/910160373/So-far--stimulus-contracts-aren%5C-t-big-boost-for-Michigan-jobs" rel="nofollow">http://www.freep.com/article/20091016/NEWS07/910160373/So-far&#8211;stimulus-contracts-aren%5C-t-big-boost-for-Michigan-jobs</a></p>
<p>And Michigan is supposedly ranked 9th in the Nation for jobs created under the Stimulus Spending Spree of Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aargh, sorry - &quot;Ted, I totally agree with your first sentence.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aargh, sorry &#8211; &#8220;Ted, I totally agree with your first sentence.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To call Obama “the new Hoover” is an insult to Pres. Hoover, who actually accomplished great things in his career as an engineer, industrialist, philanthopist and as an effective administrator of international aid. In part he was betrayed by flawed economic theories and the fiscal models of that time as the Depression unfolded.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ted, I totally agree with your middle sentence.

Hoover did have one great failure: his policies in handling the Recession of 1929.  You say &quot;he was betrayed by flawed economic theories&quot;.  I must slightly disagree there.  Good economic theories were available, in Hoover&#039;s time.  They said the government should cut spending, cut deficits, cut taxes, cut regulation.  It&#039;s what they did to solve &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.meltingpotproject.com/mpp/2009/02/the-great-depression-of-1920.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Depression of 1920&lt;/a&gt;.  Nobody ever hears of the Depression of 1920 - because they solved it so easily, with good policy.  Hoover was an engineer, as you point out.  His instinct was: engineer the economy.  In other words: government intervention.  And that is what caused the Recession of 1929 to become the Great Depression.

Conventional (i.e., left-liberal) history says that Roosevelt&#039;s New Deal was somehow a break with Hoover&#039;s policies.  It wasn&#039;t really.  It was an intensification.  Hoover raised spending, deficits, taxes and regulations in response to the Recession of 1929 - the wrong things to do.  Roosevelt took those policies to a new level.  Kind of like Bush boosting spending for 8 years, and running deficits in the $100-400B range; then Obama and the Democrats ratcheting deficits up to $1.5 trillion with Porkulus and bailouts.

But, bad economic policy aside, yes: Hoover was a very good man in many other ways.  My comment was meant to address the conventional (again, left-liberal) history in which Hoover supposedly, allegedly did nothing but lame PR efforts while unemployment continued to climb.  When in reality Hoover was pursuing interventionist policies, causing the problem.  That is Obama today - on both points.  We see the bad policies causing American unemployment, AND we see what history ought to record as some pretty lame PR efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To call Obama “the new Hoover” is an insult to Pres. Hoover, who actually accomplished great things in his career as an engineer, industrialist, philanthopist and as an effective administrator of international aid. In part he was betrayed by flawed economic theories and the fiscal models of that time as the Depression unfolded.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ted, I totally agree with your middle sentence.</p>
<p>Hoover did have one great failure: his policies in handling the Recession of 1929.  You say &#8220;he was betrayed by flawed economic theories&#8221;.  I must slightly disagree there.  Good economic theories were available, in Hoover&#8217;s time.  They said the government should cut spending, cut deficits, cut taxes, cut regulation.  It&#8217;s what they did to solve <a href="http://www.meltingpotproject.com/mpp/2009/02/the-great-depression-of-1920.html" rel="nofollow">the Depression of 1920</a>.  Nobody ever hears of the Depression of 1920 &#8211; because they solved it so easily, with good policy.  Hoover was an engineer, as you point out.  His instinct was: engineer the economy.  In other words: government intervention.  And that is what caused the Recession of 1929 to become the Great Depression.</p>
<p>Conventional (i.e., left-liberal) history says that Roosevelt&#8217;s New Deal was somehow a break with Hoover&#8217;s policies.  It wasn&#8217;t really.  It was an intensification.  Hoover raised spending, deficits, taxes and regulations in response to the Recession of 1929 &#8211; the wrong things to do.  Roosevelt took those policies to a new level.  Kind of like Bush boosting spending for 8 years, and running deficits in the $100-400B range; then Obama and the Democrats ratcheting deficits up to $1.5 trillion with Porkulus and bailouts.</p>
<p>But, bad economic policy aside, yes: Hoover was a very good man in many other ways.  My comment was meant to address the conventional (again, left-liberal) history in which Hoover supposedly, allegedly did nothing but lame PR efforts while unemployment continued to climb.  When in reality Hoover was pursuing interventionist policies, causing the problem.  That is Obama today &#8211; on both points.  We see the bad policies causing American unemployment, AND we see what history ought to record as some pretty lame PR efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted B.  (Charging Rhino)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted B.  (Charging Rhino)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To call Obama &quot;the new Hoover&quot; is an insult to Pres. Hoover, who actually accomplished great things in his career as an engineer, industrialist, philanthopist and as an effective administrator of international aid.  In part he was betrayed by flawed economic theories and the fiscal models of that time as the Depression unfolded.

Obama had a shaky career as a law school educator, and wrote a book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To call Obama &#8220;the new Hoover&#8221; is an insult to Pres. Hoover, who actually accomplished great things in his career as an engineer, industrialist, philanthopist and as an effective administrator of international aid.  In part he was betrayed by flawed economic theories and the fiscal models of that time as the Depression unfolded.</p>
<p>Obama had a shaky career as a law school educator, and wrote a book.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the Obama Administrations PR effort has fallen flat on its face &lt;/blockquote&gt;Obama: the New Hoover.

And his hyperinflation hasn&#039;t even hit yet.  Want to know a neato synonym for &quot;double-dip recession&quot;?  Here it is: OBAMA FAIL.&lt;blockquote&gt;Stop all Stimulus spending for 9 months beginning NOW.  Instead, institute an across the board payroll tax holiday&lt;/blockquote&gt;Nah, makes too much sense.  Would be too helpful in restoring jobs and making people *not* dependent on government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the Obama Administrations PR effort has fallen flat on its face </p></blockquote>
<p>Obama: the New Hoover.</p>
<p>And his hyperinflation hasn&#8217;t even hit yet.  Want to know a neato synonym for &#8220;double-dip recession&#8221;?  Here it is: OBAMA FAIL.<br />
<blockquote>Stop all Stimulus spending for 9 months beginning NOW.  Instead, institute an across the board payroll tax holiday</p></blockquote>
<p>Nah, makes too much sense.  Would be too helpful in restoring jobs and making people *not* dependent on government.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greta had Congresswoman Brown-Waite on last night who said that the whole Recovery.Gov site is a sham. She says it was established last February and then revised. She waived a highly redacted contract that shows 18 million was spent for a reworking of the site that the OMB claims should have cost under a million. You can see the interview here:

http://video.foxnews.com/11729829/reporting-recoverygov-to-recoverygov

I wonder if there will ever come a time when the liberals say that they just can&#039;t carry the water for this peacock any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greta had Congresswoman Brown-Waite on last night who said that the whole Recovery.Gov site is a sham. She says it was established last February and then revised. She waived a highly redacted contract that shows 18 million was spent for a reworking of the site that the OMB claims should have cost under a million. You can see the interview here:</p>
<p><a href="http://video.foxnews.com/11729829/reporting-recoverygov-to-recoverygov" rel="nofollow">http://video.foxnews.com/11729829/reporting-recoverygov-to-recoverygov</a></p>
<p>I wonder if there will ever come a time when the liberals say that they just can&#8217;t carry the water for this peacock any more.</p>
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