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Democrats’ Stealthy Saturday Strategy: Another weekend vote on Obamacare

Having used creative bribery (with our tax dollars), Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid apparently has all sixty Democrats on board for a cloture vote to begin debate on his 2,074-page health care bill.  While this vote will bring the legislation one step closer to passage, we still have a ways to go before Democrats succeed in increasing federal control over our health care system.

The bill would create new federal bureaucracies and increase the power of existing ones.  It increases taxes, creates new fees and eliminates or otherwise limits the scope of deductions already in place.  It will make our health care system increasingly complex, adding to the paper work burden for businesses.  This could become particularly burdensome for small businesses. To avoid running afoul with the law, entrepreneurs will have to divert resources from improving the quality of their product and increasing the efficiency with which they bring that product to market to consulting with lawyers and filling out forms.

Hardly a productive use of their time.

Cornell law professor William A. Jacobson contends the costs of compliance could be “in the thousands of dollars even for a small employer“:

Under Reid’s bill, and the House version, employers of all sizes will have to hire someone — either on staff for larger companies or third party vendors for small employers — to navigate the new health care regulations, reporting requirements, and tax provisions. This bill will create jobs, but in the least productive sectors of our economy.

Already, so much of our economy is devoted to satisfying federal paperwork requirements. This is unproductive work which adds nothing to our economic competitiveness. Every dollar spent on a tax lawyer or accountant is a dollar not spent creating economic opportunities for the business.

Decreasing economic opportunities for businesses at a time when they are shedding jobs?  No wonder Harry Reid has scheduled this vote for a Saturday night.

Does he even understand that bigger government means a smaller private sector?  And that that when that sector shrinks, jobs dry up?

The Democrats may think that by holding this vote on a Saturday, people won’t pay it much heed.  But, the world has changed with the advent of the Internet.  People are paying attention.  They’re going to vote out what’s in the bill and wonder about congressional Democrats’ second stealthy Saturday maneuver.

Whatever happened to the transparency Obama promised in last fall’s campaign?

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32 Comments

  1. Once again I ask you – what possible difference does it make that the vote is on Saturday night? Are you claiming that if the vote were held during the week, “the people” would drop what they are doing and tune into C-SPAN to watch the vote? And if they did, what difference would that make?

    Comment by Tano — November 21, 2009 @ 9:00 pm - November 21, 2009

  2. Tano, the difference is that is it off the news cycle and by Monday it will be so much fishwrap. The ones who care will pay attention at anytime. The others, they pay attention when they are not at the mall, or the kids’ soccer or hockey game, or doing the myriad number of things that they must do on a weekend.

    It is just another dirty, slimy way that the (D)s are stealthily carrying out their agenda to bankrupt the contry and make us all dependent.

    Remember that any government that can give you all you want can also take away all you need.

    Comment by WinstonO'Boogie — November 21, 2009 @ 9:25 pm - November 21, 2009

  3. No Tano, the majority of folks wouldn’t watch…

    Its no secret why politicians drop “incendiary bombs”(metaphorically speaking) on a Friday night or a Saturday. Hell, even you should be able to figure out by the time Monday comes around and it hits the MSM news cycle its already water downed old news….. They can’t run those banners across the bottom of the TV saying “BREAKING NEWS” ….. cause you know you’d be right there to call them all a bunch of liars if they did.

    Comment by Spartann — November 21, 2009 @ 9:31 pm - November 21, 2009

  4. Oh c’mon Spartann, this is hardly an instance of Friday-evening bad-news dumping. How could anyone hope that the news of this vote is somehow going to be lost over the weekend? The vote is to start debate on the bill. The debate is going to dominate the news for the next month. Its not like no one is going to pay attention to the fact that there is a floor debate going on because the vote to start it happened on a weekend.

    Comment by Tano — November 21, 2009 @ 9:35 pm - November 21, 2009

  5. I modestly suggest we propose a constitutional amendment banning Friday White House news dumps and Saturday votes by Congress.

    If the amendment passes, both the legislative and executive branches will then have nowhere to go and they’ll both implode. And, hey, what’s not to like about that?

    Comment by MarkJ — November 21, 2009 @ 10:36 pm - November 21, 2009

  6. I don’t understand your logic Mark. Why would they have “nowhere to go”? And why would you cheer the implosion of our democratic government? Do you hate America or something?

    Comment by Tano — November 21, 2009 @ 11:19 pm - November 21, 2009

  7. Do you hate America or something?

    Are you really that stupid? And why not hold the vote during the week instead?

    You’re excuses of everything the Statist Neo-Comms are doing as “no big deal” are tedious and your petty, snot nosed, shitty assed two year old anklebiter”hate America” attacks are nothing more than projection.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — November 22, 2009 @ 1:07 am - November 22, 2009

  8. Tano: if you’re truly interested it works this way: Friday news conferences, Friday “leaks”, and weekend votes are specifically designed to minimize negative coverage by the media and minimize the outrage of the citizens and is almost exclusively done for things that will be unpopular and against the perceived wishes of the taxpayers, most of whom are doing things with their children and families and not reading weekend newspapers or watching television news.

    Comment by Dave B — November 22, 2009 @ 2:06 am - November 22, 2009

  9. Why the hurry? Dingy Harry had this bill in his office for over a month.

    And once the god-awful thing is law, it won’t take effect for several years (although the taxes will kick right off the bat).

    (And another barge-load of money for Louisiana.)

    Seems like our esteemed solons were in one hell of a hurry to pass the bailout and the stimulus… and we all can see how that worked out.

    If someone would have told me a couple of years ago that the Dems were hellbent on destruction of this country, I would have thought them nuts.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — November 22, 2009 @ 2:35 am - November 22, 2009

  10. most of whom are doing things with their children and families and not reading weekend newspapers or watching television news.

    Or jamming the Senate switchboard.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — November 22, 2009 @ 2:56 am - November 22, 2009

  11. If America we’re to be turned into a version of the USSR, where the government rules the collective citizenry for the sake of Mother Russia then yes,if the leaders in America turned to rulers and set forth policies that knowingly hurt the citizenry in all sorts of ways, from a highly inflated cost of living to denying basic rights to actively turning our dollars into rubles then yes, I would positively hate America.
    We have had generations of “Americans” who have fought and died to prevent the spread of such ideology.
    I would hate it with extreme prejudice much more so if it takes hold in America but I wouldn’t feel bad about it because it would no longer be America, it would just be a word.

    Comment by Drider — November 22, 2009 @ 6:44 am - November 22, 2009

  12. GreidCare sounds like a real job-destroyer, all around.

    From what I’ve heard, GreidCare is packed with new taxes. But the benefits don’t start until years later; so in large part, it’s a tax hike.

    Another big problem, I’ve been told, is its provisions to ban price discrimination based on pre-existing medical conditions. That means you can skip insurance, not paying until you’re sick, and then get insurance after you’re sick. As Peter Schiff has put it, “Imagine if you could buy fire insurance after your house already burned down. And for the same price as people whose houses aren’t on fire. Why would you pay fire insurance year after year? Just wait until it burns, then pay a small premium, maybe a few thousand dollars, to collect hundreds of thousands in benefits.”

    To deal with that, GreidCare and PelosiCare both contain penalties on people who don’t carry insurance. But so what? Will the penalties be large enough? GreidCare’s probably aren’t. The result will be both the destruction of private insurance (as people skip out on that), and a process of “progressive” new legislation in future years that imposes more and more draconian penalties on people. I wouldn’t be surprised if non-participation were eventually criminalized. And, like any penalty for non-participation, even a mild one, is somehow a good thing? Only to pelple who are Nazis at heart.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 22, 2009 @ 9:36 am - November 22, 2009

  13. Sorry, “…only to -people- who are Nazis at heart.”

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 22, 2009 @ 9:37 am - November 22, 2009

  14. “only to -people- who are Nazis at heart.”

    you mean like one of the frontrunners for the Republican nomination? – who instituted such a penalty in MA…

    Comment by Tano — November 22, 2009 @ 11:06 am - November 22, 2009

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  16. Once again I ask you – what possible difference does it make that the vote is on Saturday night?

    Tano, here is a short walk with the calendar:

    Next Thursday is Thanksgiving. All next week Congress is gone and they will take the Monday after Thanksgiving to dribble back to Washington. It will be December and after December 15 all of Washington goes lame until after the first week in January.

    Reid pushed the vote to occur at the last possible minute in order to force a vote. That is how rough and tumble politics works. He is walking on eggs here, because Robert Byrd is a last gasp vote on the edge of extinction.

    The fact that you see nothing remarkable about the how Reid stacked the deck is merely a function of your rabid partisanship. You will brook anything that helps your team win. Understood. Just don’t carp when your version of bipartisan transparency comes back to bite you in the rear. When you engage in a blood sport, you can’t call time out when the machete is swinging at your neck. If that is your brand of politics and you approve of playing the game that way, then understand that you have clearly taken a stand with the Attila the Hun code of ethics and politics by deceit and corruption.

    Comment by heliotrope — November 22, 2009 @ 11:15 am - November 22, 2009

  17. ILC,

    My neighbor is going to Costa Rica to get a tooth transplant. A relative recently went there for a hip replacement. Obamacare will really enrich Costa Rica and other medical-tourism places. I can fly there for small dollars R/T and have a week in a resort thrown in. The medical costs are half or less. The care is excellent and the doctors are top rate.

    Sure, you can’t get there by ambulance, but it will rapidly develop as an alternative to Obamacare. You will have to be middle class, but the insurance companies are already working up policies for medical tourism health care. That is capitalism at its best, in my book. When Obama tries to slam the door on health care options, you just find a new door.

    The hospital I work with has a number of free standing clinics and test centers. We are beginning to research having medical care on retainer and opening boutique medical shops for those who want cash services.

    Obama is going to have to put out a lot of fires if he thinks he can control the health and insurance industries.

    Comment by heliotrope — November 22, 2009 @ 11:30 am - November 22, 2009

  18. you mean like one of the frontrunners for the Republican nomination? – who instituted such a penalty in MA…

    Tano, we’ve been over this before. Is your memory that short? My answer was/is, YES. I put it this way:

    As an Independent (and former longtime Democrat), I am quite happy to admit that [Romney’s] program was a betrayal of free-market principles and morally wrong, just like some of Bush’s programs were….

    [Having said that,] With the GOP, government force is the solution 70% of the time. With the Democrats, government force is the solution 100% of the time. The Democrats are the greater fascists.

    Whereupon you tried to attack me in essence for my honesty and consistency in being willing to call out the fascists or crypto-fascists of both parties.

    (Which, in turn, made the point that your only goal was to attack: since you would have equally attacked me had I been inconsistent, the bottom line is that you would have attacked me no matter what my position was… merely for my being in opposition to the DNC and your Dear Leader.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 22, 2009 @ 11:33 am - November 22, 2009

  19. (whoops, sorry – It was a different thread, where you went on to attack me in essence for my consistency, as described above)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 22, 2009 @ 11:35 am - November 22, 2009

  20. “My neighbor is going to Costa Rica to get a tooth transplant”

    Yeah, Thailand is quite the destination as well, for medical tourism.

    “…it will rapidly develop as an alternative to Obamacare.”

    This is hilarious. Why not acknowledge that these places already have been developed as alternatives – to our current “best medical system in the world”? IF you think it will be an argument against Obamacare, then it is an argument today against our current system.

    Comment by Tano — November 22, 2009 @ 12:00 pm - November 22, 2009

  21. ‘Whereupon you tried to attack me in essence for my honesty and consistency in being willing to call out the fascists or crypto-fascists of both parties.”

    Well I dont doubt that – but I dont remember the details. But I do hope that I called you out for calling everyone a fascist. Was it then that I made that point?
    The day you begin to learn how to argue in a rational and respectful manner with people who you disagree with, will be the day you might begin to actually be taken seriously.

    Comment by Tano — November 22, 2009 @ 12:04 pm - November 22, 2009

  22. It’s cute when you try to put on a brave face and talk grownup talk, Tano.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 22, 2009 @ 12:09 pm - November 22, 2009

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  24. Hehehe, ILC 😉

    Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — November 22, 2009 @ 12:43 pm - November 22, 2009

  25. Why not acknowledge that these places already have been developed as alternatives – to our current “best medical system in the world”? IF you think it will be an argument against Obamacare, then it is an argument today against our current system.

    Alternatives to our system? Not so much. To other countries with Socialist Careless, definitely. Our current best medical system in the world is already an alternative for them. If the fascist ObamaCareless is passed, all those people (and their money) will go elsewhere and Americans will follow. That, or they will have to go to dark, back alleys to get quality care.

    It amazes me how many ways liberals devise for cutting off income and destroying the country and shitting on the people.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — November 22, 2009 @ 1:54 pm - November 22, 2009

  26. #22: “It’s cute when you try to put on a brave face and talk grownup talk, Tano.”

    It’s also cute how Tano thinks we don’t know that he would be shrieking bloody murder if a Republican-controlled Senate operated this way.

    Comment by Sean A — November 22, 2009 @ 2:42 pm - November 22, 2009

  27. It’s cute the way Tano is completely incapable of defending these actions. That and the fact that there’s no Constitutional justification for it.

    It’s a fascist power grab of the private sector and he damn well knows it, but can’t defend it.

    Stand by for another round of him squealing “traitors” again in 4…3…2…

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — November 22, 2009 @ 7:03 pm - November 22, 2009

  28. This is hilarious. Why not acknowledge that these places already have been developed as alternatives – to our current “best medical system in the world”?

    C’mon people, Tano is exactly right for once. The more Democrats have driven up the costs of health care through over regulation, constantly snatching up more of the private market by the government (read: bankrupt medicare, medicaid, SCHIPS, etc), and forcing doctors to practice defensive medicine with constant frivolous lawsuits by the bottom feeding scum sucking trial lawyer Democat base — the more Americans do flee the country to find cheaper, CAPITALIST health care.

    Comment by American Elephant — November 22, 2009 @ 8:20 pm - November 22, 2009

  29. This is hilarious. Why not acknowledge that these places already have been developed as alternatives – to our current “best medical system in the world”?

    Tano, you were born stupid and you have been losing ground ever since. Where ever you roost in the US of A, I guarantee that you have far better access to immediate topnotch health care than any other weak minded average person anywhere else in the world has. Now if you say otherwise, would do us all the favor of moving there and taunting us with post cards telling us how much your standard of living, health care, job security and social welfare have improved.

    Medical tourism is quality on the cheap. The docs there do not have to figure malpractice insurance costs into their bills. And since they don’t have to deal with insurance policies that are bloated from over regulation, the customer gets a tremendous break. You know how Obama and the libs will deal with it? They will tax people usurious amounts for going out of the country for health care. If you are over the age limit for a transplant and get one elsewhere, they will create a heavy fine and jail time for disobeying the Health Czar.

    What would you do to a woman who crept across the border for a mammogram? She is not behaving like a citizen of the egalitarian state! She is a self-centered wench who is not willing to play on a level playing field. Heck, why not shoot her and be done with it!

    Comment by heliotrope — November 22, 2009 @ 9:33 pm - November 22, 2009

  30. Do we need a Doe v. Obama case so women can get the care they used to get before liberals took absolute power?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — November 23, 2009 @ 3:57 am - November 23, 2009

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