You have the emotional maturity of a preschooler. I’ve seen people throw temper-tantrums on the ‘net before, but never anything like this.

Since you’re not even smart enough to figure this part of it out, I’ll let you in on a little secret. I stick around just to throw in another jab — because I know you’ll react exactly as you do. It’s fun. People have almost certainly been doing that to you all your life.

You’ve already shown you have absolutely zero sense of humor, so you can’t tell when people are at least half-kidding with you. ILC tried to get you to lighten up, but you just take yourself WAAAAY too seriously.

Your vanity has been injured. The only problem is no one cares. You’re left all alone on stage, bawling and screeching about whichever hairsplitting little point you think you’re right about. You are really a spectacle of pathos.

Oh, do I CARE because I keep coming back? Your Sally Field paraphrase (“You like me…you really, really like me”) was so sweet. I was trying to poke a little more fun at you. My sense of humor may not be your cup of joe, but what the hell…at least I have one.

You’re two of ‘em, and your mother wears Army boots. Psych! Punk! If you had a big red nose, I’d honk it.

You can play on on the stage all alone, or you can just shut up and go somewhere else. It’s very likely all the same to most of us either way.

now, back to the topic you’ve said like 5 times now that you are done with:

Those of us who do care about honesty are waiting for ILC to explain why he says we should dismiss judicial reasoning that cites precedent because it “has quotes….not scare quotes exactly” BUT apparently similar to scare quotes….

ILC, since you claim you already answered this question, if you dont want to re-write it, you can just quote the part where you answered this question. I looked through all the comments you referred to, and dont see it answered anywhere.

I’ll leave it on that note. I suspect ILC will, too.

Yellow, you know where to find me. Any time you care to, just bring it.

Those of us who do care about honesty are waiting for ILC to explain why he says we should dismiss judicial reasoning that cites precedent because it “has quotes….not scare quotes exactly” BUT apparently similar to scare quotes….

ILC, since you claim you already answered this question, if you dont want to re-write it, you can just quote the part where you answered this question. I looked through all the comments you referred to, and dont see it answered anywhere.

Like most people, I don’t care.

Yes, you have spent two full days, posting over a half a dozen times to insult and threaten me . Obviously the behavior of a person who doesn’t care.

Another shining example of your deep devotion to honesty! And we all believe you. Now you can show us how much you dont care by going away.

Elephant, you are so emotionally messed-up that I will allow your latest ravings to stand on their own. They show what a nutcase you are better than anything anyone else could ever say.

You clearly have a pathological case about people supposedly being liars. Whether that’s because someone lied to you once and hurt your poor, little feelings, whether Daddy used to use the belt on you for it or whether it’s because you know it to be your own failing is anybody’s guess.

Like most people, I don’t care.

Come and call me a liar in person. You know how to reach me, now, so if you don’t, you’ll prove who the coward is for everyone to see. I gave my name and how to find me. Cowards do that? You are one yourself, so you can speak only for yourself.

I’ll just wind you up and let you go. On and on, and on and on and on…ad nauseum and — apparently — ad infinitum. You prove what a basket of crazy you are better than anyone else could.

You have also not explained how it is you think marriage is a right, according to Loving, even though you have stated many times that it is NOT a right, but you think there can be a right to government marriage without a right to a government marriage license.

and many, many other inconsistencies and self contradictions I have caught you at, BUT!!!! I have learned that you, being a completely dishonest and dishonorable person will use the opportunity of being confronted with multiple lies at once, to invent a new distraction, so PLEASE, lets focus on the lie in question.

Please explain why it is that people dismiss Judicial arguments that cite precedent because its “in quotes” — “not exactly like scare quotes” but apparently somewhat like scare quotes….

Note that Loving puts the word “rights” in quotes, there. In context, it’s not scare quotes exactly, but showing that Loving is quoting someone else’s voice

People of REAL rationality goodwill and INTEGRITY are waiting ILC.

Good will is having the manhood to admit when you are wrong not lying that Supreme Court cases citing precedent should be dismissed because the are “in quotes”

Note that Loving puts the word “rights” in quotes, there. In context, it’s not scare quotes exactly, but showing that Loving is quoting someone else’s voice

You have not and cannot explain it, so you SPIN and IGNORE!

But what does anyone expect from a “man” who claims all the online dictionaries are wrong and he is right!

what does anyone expect from a “man” who REFUSES all requests to show any state or any legislature or any statute or any referendum ANYWHERE that agrees with his definition of the purpose of marriage?

You see ILC, thats why courts quote precedent! because opinion backed up with facts is MORE authoritative than opinions that are not. Its also why I back my opinions up with sources, and why YOU cannot.

You lied and are now raging and frothing at the mouth that you were called on it. You’ve even ADMITTED that I was telling the truth WHILE you were calling ME a liar, so your explanation that I deserve to be threatened with violence because I called you a liar, is just another of your many disingenuous ravings.

Its very simple, if you dont want to be called a liar, don’t lie.

I dont call Bruce or Dan or NDT, or Livewire, or Leah, or Ashpenaz, or even Tano, or anyone liars but you and ILC, and I dont call people liars without being able to prove my case, as I have in both of yours.

Real men prove their cases Lori, as you and ILC are unable to do. Real men back up their arguments with sources and ILC has REFUSED to do.
Real men also call each other liars all the time. We have a court system where it happens millions of times every day. But real men dont do so without being able to prove their case.

And real men certainly dont threaten violence when they are proven to be lying. Thats what cowards, and apparently lesbians do.

Now seriously, grow up, stop lying, and stop raging for being called on it.

If I didn’t know you were stupid before, I do now. One wouldn’t need to be a dyke to teach you a lesson about getting impertinent with strangers. My very-straight sister, nearly sixty years old, could and would break you in half if you made the mistake of doing that to her.

Men don’t talk that way, even to other men, in person. A hundred years ago, a man would have dragged you out into the middle of the street and cut your tongue out with a bullwhip for calling him a liar simply because you disagreed with something he’d said. And your being gay wouldn’t have had to have anything to do with it. Straight men don’t shoot their mouths off like that, either.

That’s why people are more civil to each other in person.

And again, you know how to find me.

ILC, I’m sorry you keep getting kicked around like that. I don’t see a blog link to your name. I would have clicked over and read more of what you had to say if I’d found one. NDT hasn’t posted anything new over at his blog since about August, and I haven’t seen anything from him at Lloydletta’s blog, either. I miss hearing from him.

I guess Seane-Anna is gone, which is sort of a pity. I merely pointed out that if she’s straight and married, she has her hand in our pockets, and I guess that made her slink away. The libertarians have a way of putting things in plain terms, and that clears the mind. I must confess that for a while, I hoped Obama would really do something worthwhile and I forgot that.

These are desperate times. They’re making people like Elephant go psycho (or was he always like that?). We need to keep our sense of humor. Sometimes all we can do is point and laugh. And sometimes, when confronted by someone like Elephant, we actually get something to laugh at.

You, on the other hand, don’t know it. Heh.

Even though ILC has been monitoring the room for an hour and a half according to the timestamps of his statements, waiting for someone to come along and help him (if past performance is any indication, he probably emailed her himself) he STILL CANT explain why we should dismiss precedent, the very benchmark of judicial reasoning because it is “in quotes” as he says, but should instead favor reasoning that is NOT backed up with precedent:

Note that Loving puts the word “rights” in quotes, there. In context, it’s not scare quotes exactly, but showing that Loving is quoting someone else’s voice

Because there IS no good explanation for it, because its obviously wrong, so he must refuse to answer that very straightforward question.

When ILC cant SPIN SPIN SPIN, he ignores ignores ignores! But he can never simply admit he was wrong. He would rather put everyone through months of arguing than admit he was wrong and I was right.

Here let me help you ILC. Try saying this:, “Youre right, of course citing precedent is the strongest form of judicial argument, not a weaker one, and I, ILC, was wrong to suggest otherwise in my endlessly dishonest attempts to win an argument.”

It will at least be a start!

I am very easy to find if you want to back up your big talk with action.

I will not tolerate bullying from you or anyone else.

YOU are the only one trying to bully, Lori. Here you are again, threatening violence:

A dyke may knock you on your ass if you call her a liar in person

I merely said I am happy to say everything to your face that I have said here online, to which you AGAIN try your intimidation tactics:

I am very easy to find if you want to back up your big talk with action.

I made no big talk. YOU did. Twice.

Like a cornered animal, you rage and threaten. Because you long ago AGREED that I was correct. So its all you can do.

Grow up.

I will not tolerate bullying from you or anyone else. You sit there behind your alias, safe in cyberspace, and talk like you think you’re John Wayne. You are a joke.

You are the one who began using the word “liar” to describe other people here. You obviously have some mental problem connected with that charge. I don’t know if Daddy used it on you when you were a child, or what, but please seek professional help about your compulsion with using it against other people the way a caveman would have used a club.

Your next favorite seems to be “grow up.” You might try heeding your own advice. You sound like you’re about to blow up and splatter all over your computer screen, and that wouldn’t be very pretty. For an “elephant,” you’re certainly making a donkey of yourself.

Seriously, you are one messed-up dude. Get help, as soon as possible. And if you don’t want to get married, again…on behalf of a lot of very fortunate gay men, I can only say, “Thank God for that.”

Please explain, which you never have, why we should dismiss precedent, the very benchmark of judicial reasoning because it is “in quotes” as you say, but should instead favor reasoning that is NOT backed up with precedent.

Note that Loving puts the word “rights” in quotes, there. In context, it’s not scare quotes exactly, but showing that Loving is quoting someone else’s voice

SPIN ILC! SPIN! SPIN! SPIN!