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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sometimes the govt must step in.

And this is one of those times.

Pls don’t pretend you don’t believe that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Are you kidding? Government is the REASON health care costs are skyrocketing to begin with. The only reason government needs to step in is to UNDO the damage they have already done. 

Medicare, medicaid, SCHIPS, are ALREADY bankrupt, and health care providers are forced to shift the cost they do not recoup from those socialist programs onto the rest of us. Meanwhile Democrats at the national and state level demand that people buy policies covering things they dont want coverage for. For example, why the hell should I be forced to buy a plan that covers birth control pills or mamograms? I am guaranteed to never need them. Why should a happily married woman be forced to buy a policy that covers HIV infection or erectile dysfunction?

Why shouldnt I be able to shop around and buy the policy I want that covers what I need, from anywhere in the country?

The truth is that none of us should be forced to buy coverage we dont want, and it is Democrats fascist regulation of the industry, and to a lesser but significant extent, their refusal to allow tort reform, that have driven health care costs through the ceiling.

And once again they say the reason that health care is so expensive is because government doesn&#039;t control the market enough. 

You clearly DO believe that, and, I&#039;m sorry, but you are ignorant for it.

That has ALWAYS been their solution and it is the reason health care has gotten so unaffordable to begin with. Even the CBO recognizes that all the Democrats plans will make care MORE EXPENSIVE, not less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sometimes the govt must step in.</p>
<p>And this is one of those times.</p>
<p>Pls don’t pretend you don’t believe that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you kidding? Government is the REASON health care costs are skyrocketing to begin with. The only reason government needs to step in is to UNDO the damage they have already done. </p>
<p>Medicare, medicaid, SCHIPS, are ALREADY bankrupt, and health care providers are forced to shift the cost they do not recoup from those socialist programs onto the rest of us. Meanwhile Democrats at the national and state level demand that people buy policies covering things they dont want coverage for. For example, why the hell should I be forced to buy a plan that covers birth control pills or mamograms? I am guaranteed to never need them. Why should a happily married woman be forced to buy a policy that covers HIV infection or erectile dysfunction?</p>
<p>Why shouldnt I be able to shop around and buy the policy I want that covers what I need, from anywhere in the country?</p>
<p>The truth is that none of us should be forced to buy coverage we dont want, and it is Democrats fascist regulation of the industry, and to a lesser but significant extent, their refusal to allow tort reform, that have driven health care costs through the ceiling.</p>
<p>And once again they say the reason that health care is so expensive is because government doesn&#8217;t control the market enough. </p>
<p>You clearly DO believe that, and, I&#8217;m sorry, but you are ignorant for it.</p>
<p>That has ALWAYS been their solution and it is the reason health care has gotten so unaffordable to begin with. Even the CBO recognizes that all the Democrats plans will make care MORE EXPENSIVE, not less.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;NO, that is the govt doing it’s job. &lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s not the government&#039;s job to do that which people are capable of doing for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>NO, that is the govt doing it’s job. </i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the government&#8217;s job to do that which people are capable of doing for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: sisterrosetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>sisterrosetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sisterrosetta, 

When the government tells you who you must cover, what you must cover them for, how long you must cover them, when it establishes who consumers can get insurance from and who they cant, where they can get it, what it must cover, etc…

that IS government-run health care. It’s also called fascism.

***

NO, that is the govt doing it&#039;s job.  There is a fine line between govt-run HC and the govt doing its job of oversight.

Of course the govt must regulate.  

Honestly, can&#039;t you see the difference?

We don&#039;t need another post office.

In fact, we must minimalize govt ownership of private capital.

Sometimes the govt must step in.

And this is one of those times.

Pls don&#039;t pretend you don&#039;t believe that.

You know I really can&#039;t say this better than someone who is an expert in this field:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQL5mwE-BZk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sisterrosetta, </p>
<p>When the government tells you who you must cover, what you must cover them for, how long you must cover them, when it establishes who consumers can get insurance from and who they cant, where they can get it, what it must cover, etc…</p>
<p>that IS government-run health care. It’s also called fascism.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>NO, that is the govt doing it&#8217;s job.  There is a fine line between govt-run HC and the govt doing its job of oversight.</p>
<p>Of course the govt must regulate.  </p>
<p>Honestly, can&#8217;t you see the difference?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need another post office.</p>
<p>In fact, we must minimalize govt ownership of private capital.</p>
<p>Sometimes the govt must step in.</p>
<p>And this is one of those times.</p>
<p>Pls don&#8217;t pretend you don&#8217;t believe that.</p>
<p>You know I really can&#8217;t say this better than someone who is an expert in this field:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQL5mwE-BZk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQL5mwE-BZk</a></p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But if we can move in the direction of universal coverage WITHOUT more govt-run HC&lt;/blockquote&gt;Sisterrosetta, 

When the government tells you who you must cover, what you must cover them for, how long you must cover them, when it establishes who consumers can get insurance from and who they cant, where they can get it, what it must cover, etc...

that IS government-run health care. It&#039;s also called fascism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But if we can move in the direction of universal coverage WITHOUT more govt-run HC</p></blockquote>
<p>Sisterrosetta, </p>
<p>When the government tells you who you must cover, what you must cover them for, how long you must cover them, when it establishes who consumers can get insurance from and who they cant, where they can get it, what it must cover, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>that IS government-run health care. It&#8217;s also called fascism.</p>
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		<title>By: sisterrosetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>sisterrosetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this has been fun!

I&#039;m crazy about you Gay Patriots!

Rosa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this has been fun!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m crazy about you Gay Patriots!</p>
<p>Rosa</p>
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		<title>By: sisterrosetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>sisterrosetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we stop imagining that Lieberman is thought of as a &quot;liberal&quot; member of Senate?

He&#039;s doing you a service, and your minds are too small to get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we stop imagining that Lieberman is thought of as a &#8220;liberal&#8221; member of Senate?</p>
<p>He&#8217;s doing you a service, and your minds are too small to get it.</p>
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		<title>By: sisterrosetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>sisterrosetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6.Well sisterrosetta guess what, I have ocean front property for sale in Arizona are you interested? I can make you a really good deal!

Well, if you have waterfront property in Puerto Penasco, I&#039;m there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6.Well sisterrosetta guess what, I have ocean front property for sale in Arizona are you interested? I can make you a really good deal!</p>
<p>Well, if you have waterfront property in Puerto Penasco, I&#8217;m there!</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did my tinfoil hat start sparking for some reason?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did my tinfoil hat start sparking for some reason?</p>
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		<title>By: The_Livewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do it!  California is about to sink into the sea under the weight of debt anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do it!  California is about to sink into the sea under the weight of debt anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steven E. Kalbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven E. Kalbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well sisterrosetta guess what, I have ocean front property for sale in Arizona are you interested?  I can make you a really good deal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well sisterrosetta guess what, I have ocean front property for sale in Arizona are you interested?  I can make you a really good deal!</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve a dumb question....is it CONSTITUTIONAL to force citizens of our country to BUY (for $500 or $5000 a year), health insurance?
You are going to have to buy insurance or go to jail.
Is that constitutional? If it is, there are no limits to the power of govenment. And that is precisely what our Founders tried to prevent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve a dumb question&#8230;.is it CONSTITUTIONAL to force citizens of our country to BUY (for $500 or $5000 a year), health insurance?<br />
You are going to have to buy insurance or go to jail.<br />
Is that constitutional? If it is, there are no limits to the power of govenment. And that is precisely what our Founders tried to prevent.</p>
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		<title>By: sisterrosetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>sisterrosetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, if it would put Olbermann in jail, I&#039;d be all for it!

We cannot have universal coverage without a strong individual mandate, i.e., the penalty must be comparable to what it would cost to pay premiums.

Without a strong individual mandate, we&#039;re just asking for higher premiums.

But no, jail is ridiculous.

There are other ways to get Libertarians to ante up.

And it&#039;s not worth firing a shot.

Those who truly cannot afford will receive subsidies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, if it would put Olbermann in jail, I&#8217;d be all for it!</p>
<p>We cannot have universal coverage without a strong individual mandate, i.e., the penalty must be comparable to what it would cost to pay premiums.</p>
<p>Without a strong individual mandate, we&#8217;re just asking for higher premiums.</p>
<p>But no, jail is ridiculous.</p>
<p>There are other ways to get Libertarians to ante up.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not worth firing a shot.</p>
<p>Those who truly cannot afford will receive subsidies.</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitcs</title>
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		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitcs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually sisterrosetta it is NOT obstructionism to STOP a bill that CREATES 118 new GOVERNMENT agencies that is quite simply protecting the American public from an un-Constitutional bill.  I suppose you think that MANDATE that FORCES Americans to buy health insurance under penalty of jail is ok.....well 61% of US DO NOT!  You sit under that 8% who call themselves liberals and WE will FIGHT this damn thing to grave to STOP IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually sisterrosetta it is NOT obstructionism to STOP a bill that CREATES 118 new GOVERNMENT agencies that is quite simply protecting the American public from an un-Constitutional bill.  I suppose you think that MANDATE that FORCES Americans to buy health insurance under penalty of jail is ok&#8230;..well 61% of US DO NOT!  You sit under that 8% who call themselves liberals and WE will FIGHT this damn thing to grave to STOP IT!</p>
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		<title>By: NebraskaPatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>NebraskaPatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve posted the latest on our Democrat U.S. Senator Ben Nelson and Obamacare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve posted the latest on our Democrat U.S. Senator Ben Nelson and Obamacare.</p>
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		<title>By: sisterrosetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>sisterrosetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a fan of this site almost since its inception.

But, I&#039;ve been a Lieberman Democrat since before then.

And to my way of thinking, he&#039;s handling HCR just right.

I would have preferred the Swiss model, more along the lines of Wyden -- Bennett.

But if we can move in the direction of universal coverage WITHOUT more govt-run HC, then I think we will have dodged a bullet.

It&#039;s not easy being a DINO or a RINO or a GAY PATRIOT for that matter!

Honestly, I believe continued Republican obstructionism now, and that is all it is as the Repubs in Senate have no real power, won&#039;t be viewed with admiration through the prism of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a fan of this site almost since its inception.</p>
<p>But, I&#8217;ve been a Lieberman Democrat since before then.</p>
<p>And to my way of thinking, he&#8217;s handling HCR just right.</p>
<p>I would have preferred the Swiss model, more along the lines of Wyden &#8212; Bennett.</p>
<p>But if we can move in the direction of universal coverage WITHOUT more govt-run HC, then I think we will have dodged a bullet.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not easy being a DINO or a RINO or a GAY PATRIOT for that matter!</p>
<p>Honestly, I believe continued Republican obstructionism now, and that is all it is as the Repubs in Senate have no real power, won&#8217;t be viewed with admiration through the prism of history.</p>
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