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Obamacare: The Most Unpopular Reform in U.S. History?

As this chart below shows, support for the Democrats’ proposed overhaul of our health care system was never strong, rarely cracking 50% (and then only by a point or tw0) in any of the surveys used for this compilation.  While support has gradually declined since Obama took office, opposition skyrocketed in the spring to increase at a slower, but steady pace since this summer.

Has Congress ever passed reforms of this magnitude with so little popular support, indeed, with support as the issue was being debate in Washington?

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  1. Unpopular ….and wait for the gorey details of how they bought off Nelson, Lincoln, Landreu etc to come public.
    Nelson got a provision that his state won’t have to pay for ANY of the new Medicare patients…..the other 49 states will pay for them all. Now how is that fair? It’s outrageous!

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — December 19, 2009 @ 6:54 pm - December 19, 2009

  2. Do you feel the need to go to jail to protest the individual mandate?

    Please know that I love you and I am one with you.

    But while you’re in there.

    Please, please, will you slap around Olbermann and Moore just a little?

    It would make me feel so much better.

    God Damn those Bastards!

    Comment by sisterrosetta — December 19, 2009 @ 8:25 pm - December 19, 2009

  3. Next up – Comprehensive immigration reform.

    If you don’t like the electorate – replace it!

    Comment by SoCalRobert — December 19, 2009 @ 8:47 pm - December 19, 2009

  4. This is a bit off-topic, but it does relate to one of Obamacare’s most obnoxious supporters:

    Rep. Alan Grayson (a.k.a. “Congressman STFU”) has sent a letter to Eric Holder demanding that the proprietor of the website mycongressmanisnuts.com be prosecuted and imprisoned for five years. That’s right. The fool that said Cheney should “STFU,” called Rush Limbaugh a “has-been hypocrite loser” who “was more lucid when he was a drug addict,” called the U.S. healthcare system a “holocaust,” and announced on the floor of Congress that Republicans want Americans to “die early” has demanded imprisonment for an American who launched a website critical of him.

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2009/12/grayson-wants-to-send-critic-to-jail-for-five-years.html

    Liberals are ENEMIES of freedom.

    Comment by Sean A — December 19, 2009 @ 9:18 pm - December 19, 2009

  5. I went to the post office today, Saturday, at 8:40am to mail something. There was a sign on the door that the post office was not going to open until 9:30am and was going to close at 12:30pm……….. Copenhagen was a joke ……. Obama says that they can cut $500 billion of waste from Medicare ………… In 2010 we need to recover control of both houses of congress!!!.

    Comment by Charles — December 19, 2009 @ 10:07 pm - December 19, 2009

  6. When will the next tea parties be scheduled….Memorial Day, Independence Day….can’t wait.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — December 19, 2009 @ 10:13 pm - December 19, 2009

  7. There is opposition, and then there is opposition.

    I think I tried to explain this to you once before Dan, but you seem to not have absorbed it.

    A significant amount of the opposition to the bills as they are taking shape comes from THE LEFT. These are people who are fully supportive of health care of the type that liberals are advocating, but feel that the actual bills under consideration do not go far enough.

    Nate Silver did a good explanation of this a week or so ago LINK

    He used an Ipsos/McClathey poll that showed results pretty similar to the average in the graph you present – 34 favor, 46 oppose, 20 undecided.

    But,,,there was a breakdown of WHY people were opposed. Of those (46) who were opposed, 25% were opposed from the LEFT – about 12% of the overall sample. There was also a breakdown of supporters.

    Bottom line – these were the actual results:

    Support reform, oppose bill because it doesnt go far enough – 12%
    Support reform, support bills – 31%

    Undecided – 20%

    Oppose reform, support bills (thinking they arent the really scary reform) – 3%
    Oppose reform, oppose bills – 35%

    Add that up and you get 43% who support either Obamacare or something to the left of it.

    38% oppose Obamacare or any similar type of reform.

    Now maybe you understand why 60% of the Senate feels confident supporting this bill. The disappointed liberals will get over their disappointment, will end up being supportive of the bill and the effort, and will just redouble their efforts to get further reform in the future. They sure as heck are not gonna go out and support republicans in the next election.

    And what of the undecideds? How can anyone be undecided after over 6 months of very heated debate, tea parties, incessant noise in the blogosphere, the media etc? If you can’t take a stand by now, then you really must be a very apolitical person who is just tuning all this stuff out.
    People like that tend to reward and admire success – getting something done, even though they themselves cant figure out what they think should be done. In other words, Obama will most likely end up with positive feelings coming from a majority of those undecideds, because he will have gotten something done.
    If you guys haven’t turned those people agaisnt him by now, you have no chance to do so once the bill passes, and the national attention turns to other things.

    Comment by Tano — December 19, 2009 @ 10:27 pm - December 19, 2009

  8. Tano is Gillie because this same clap trap was posted under the Gillie moniker the other day here: http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/12/12/health-care-as-proxy-for-big-government/ post #12. Yeah yeah yeah gillieTano

    Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — December 19, 2009 @ 10:34 pm - December 19, 2009

  9. Isn’t it amazing how Tano and gillie repeat the same talking points?

    So Tano, why does the Department of Health and Human Services have a contract with you to propagandize on websites and repeat talking points for Obama? You do know that’s illegal, right? You are aware of the fact that, by your receiving government money to propagandize for Barack Obama without reporting it or paying taxes on it, you are committing a crime, right?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 19, 2009 @ 10:39 pm - December 19, 2009

  10. Clap trap Steve?
    Try a little harder. Make a substantive critique if you can.

    You REALLY think that simply because 2 people make the same argument, that you can therefore ignore the evidence?

    If you are following the politics of this issue at all, you must know that the results are highly likely to be true. There has been almost as much agita churning on the left as on the right over the details of this bill.

    Are you just totally unable to deal with any news or evidence that runs counter to your ideological fantasies?

    Comment by Tano — December 19, 2009 @ 11:00 pm - December 19, 2009

  11. Yeah TANO/GILLIE, it’s word for word the same. Here’s what I say to you…

    Gillie, even with all that voodoo, your buddy cannot even get split—50/50–support let alone majority support. But here’s a question for you since you like to play what if, what if the bill moved farther left to get that 12% onboard, how many of the 31% would drop off? Here’s a question that wasn’t asked, how many support reform but prefer a free-market approach? How many of the undecided do you think fall into that category? How many of the 31% do you think fall into that category but support because it’s something? Can you channel that for us? Even your buddy admits that:

    Some caveats, certainly, are necessarily. Ipsos’ question wording is somewhat ambiguous. For example, among those opposed to the plan, they didn’t provide a clear way to distinguish those who support health care reform but think the plan goes too far, from those who are opposed to health care reform in general. So it doesn’t necessarily follow that the plan would have better numbers if it were more liberal (by containing a robust public option, etc.)

    And it doesn’t follow that if the plan was more free-market oriented, that all of the 31% would be against it. I believe the question was targeting the current reform proposals and not any other proposal.

    Now, lets take that poll and play the same VOODOO, 61% – 12% = 49% + 3% = 52% against. And has been pointed out, this is not bipartisan.

    Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — December 19, 2009 @ 11:03 pm - December 19, 2009

  12. I’ve often wondered how people like Nancy Pelosi get elected and how people can believe that gummint can somehow solve all our problems. It’s some sort of mass psychosis.

    I ran across this article detailing incompetence in San Francisco that belongs in one of Dave Barry’s “I swear I’m not making this up” stories. Geez.

    http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-12-16/news/the-worst-run-big-city-in-the-u-s/1

    Comment by SoCalRobert — December 19, 2009 @ 11:12 pm - December 19, 2009

  13. “what if the bill moved farther left to get that 12% onboard, how many of the 31% would drop off? ”

    Probably a fair amount, which is why the bill is not further left than it is.

    “how many support reform but prefer a free-market approach? ”

    A free market approach means the government doing nothing – it means no bill. I think we can assume that such people are in the 35% group.

    Especially when you consider that this bill, along with many others that hve been done over the past few months, shows majority SUPPORT for a public option. In this poll, it is 52-36 in favor.

    This is an issue that I have never heard folks on the right deal with. The CONSISTENT majority, or at least plurality support for a public option. I think most righties simply take refuge in blocking it out of their brains and pretending that those findings don’t exist. They look, like Dan does, at the overall support numbers and think the people are on their side.

    The Ipsos poll breakdown suddenly makes this all clear. It reconciles the overall support numbers and the public option numbers.

    Sorry to say – but a good plurality of the people, and a majority of those who have decided views, are supportive of Obamacare, or something more. You shouldn’t be surprised by this – there are reasons you guys lost the last two COngressional elections and the WH, y’know,,,

    Comment by Tano — December 19, 2009 @ 11:29 pm - December 19, 2009

  14. A free market approach does not mean no bill tano and you know it. And since this poll compilation only goes up to 12/14/2009, which was Monday before the Public Option was dropped, TANO-GILLIE, they do not reflect what your REGRESSIVE buddies think of this bill yet. They’re probably going to go higher.

    Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — December 19, 2009 @ 11:35 pm - December 19, 2009

  15. And it is why you are going to loose the House of Representatives in 2010 and the Senate in 2012.

    Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — December 19, 2009 @ 11:38 pm - December 19, 2009

  16. Providing healthcare isn’t the point of all this. Never has been.

    As Mark Steyn has pointed out, socialized medicine (and this is where this is headed) is a game changer. Once done, there’s no going back. The goal is an enormous welfare state and humongous government with control over all aspects of our lives. We’re serfs working to support our lords in government.

    I think it was Ben Franklin who said that the founding gave us a republic – as long as we can keep it. I guess we can’t.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — December 19, 2009 @ 11:39 pm - December 19, 2009

  17. A free market approach means the government doing nothing – it means no bill.

    No a free market approach means government UNDOING all the crap democrats have done over the years that have driven up prices.

    Like blocking Americans from buying health care in other states, like laws mandating what kind of coverage policies must have even if people dont want it. Like the massive expansion of people eligible for entitlements, including perfectly able bodied adults making 300% above the poverty level, and so much more that Democrats have done to drive up the cost of healthcare, increase regulation and kill people.

    by the way, new study out shows that Government run care DENIES twice as many claims as the private market.

    Yet another liberal lie disproven.

    Comment by American Elephant — December 19, 2009 @ 11:44 pm - December 19, 2009

  18. “I think we can assume that such people are in the 35% group.” We all know what assume means: make an ASS-U-ME. We cannot assume that since the question was not asked. The poll was based on the current bill at the time and did not take any other option into consideration. Again, it does not follow that people in the 35% group are against reform and it does not follow that people in the 31% group would not be for free-market approaches…

    Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — December 19, 2009 @ 11:51 pm - December 19, 2009

  19. “Like blocking Americans from buying health care in other states”

    Is that liberal thing? Gee, I thought it was a federalist point. Insurance has always been regulated at the state level, which is why the market is fragmented in that way. You want to federalize insurance regulation? OK, I’ll consider that….

    “Like the massive expansion of people eligible for entitlements,”

    Hmmm. OK. This line of discussion started with a question about the polling popularity of “free market approaches”. So I ask you – what would be the popular support levels for doing away with health-care related entitlements?
    In fact, you don’t have to answer that, just do all you can to make sure that your party takes that position in the next election.

    Comment by Tano — December 20, 2009 @ 12:01 am - December 20, 2009

  20. OK Steve, fine.
    So how do you explain the public option numbers?

    Comment by Tano — December 20, 2009 @ 12:02 am - December 20, 2009

  21. And since this poll compilation only goes up to 12/14/2009, which was Monday before the Public Option was dropped, TANO-GILLIE, they do not reflect what your REGRESSIVE buddies think of this bill yet. They’re probably going to go higher.

    Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — December 20, 2009 @ 12:13 am - December 20, 2009

  22. “Insurance has always been regulated at the state level, which is why the market is fragmented in that way. You want to federalize insurance regulation? OK, I’ll consider that….”

    However Tano/gillie, that was the purpose of this clause: “To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;” To keep commerce regular not regulate the hell out of my back yard. It was put in to keep states from ganging up on other states, you know things that cause wars. I think we’ve said this before, give me a few minutes and I’ll go back and find the posts from the past.

    Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — December 20, 2009 @ 12:19 am - December 20, 2009

  23. “So I ask you – what would be the popular support levels for doing away with health-care related entitlements?”

    I think you might be surprised, there has been polling on it; however, in order to give you something to bide your time with, I’ll let you go look it up because I’m going to bed.

    Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — December 20, 2009 @ 12:29 am - December 20, 2009

  24. Good night Steve. Glad to see you had such a trenchant explanation of the public option polling. But I do welcome you to the anti-states-rights bandwagon.

    Comment by Tano — December 20, 2009 @ 12:36 am - December 20, 2009

  25. Oh one more question, how do you explain the 41% popularity of the Tea Party movement? I don’t think public options fit in with that group to well. I’m sure the others will be rewarded with some fine analysis from you.

    Comment by Steven E. Kalbach — December 20, 2009 @ 12:40 am - December 20, 2009

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  28. So TanoghillieTimboob’s polling “evidence” shows that most liberals aren’t satisfied with the careless bill. That tells me that the liberals in DC don’t give a damn what they think and they have contempt for their base as well. TanoghillieTimboob tells us that the libs will support it anyway.

    Soooooo…. in other words, they’ll bit on a pillow, accept the ass raping and then beg for more. I’d call that prostitution if they got anything other than an ass jamming.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 20, 2009 @ 6:13 am - December 20, 2009

  29. “how do you explain the 41% popularity of the Tea Party movement? ”

    That was a fascinating poll. Great insight into the public’s mind. When asking the top-line question – do you have favorable, unfavorable or neutral feelings about the tea party movement, there was also an option for “no opinion, or unsure”. That latter category got 15% response.

    But they also asked a separate question. How much do you know about the Tea Party movement?

    Great Deal – 7%
    Fair Amount – 21%
    Just Some – 23%
    Very Little – 25%
    Nothing at all – 23%

    In other words, even though 48% of the people admit to knowing very little or nothing about the movement, 85% had an opinon about it. Heck, 71% of the people admit to knowing “just something” or less.

    If I were you, I would not exactly take these support numbers to the bank.

    Comment by Tano — December 20, 2009 @ 11:00 am - December 20, 2009

  30. But they also asked a separate question. How much do you know about the Tea Party movement?

    I do so love it when the fool Tano blunders into these things with his talking points.

    Since the pathetic liar Reid and the fool Obama refuse to keep their campaign promises and post the bill, the public can’t know anything about either — yet Tano waves the “poll results” frantically to “prove” that Americans want one.

    So here we have the talking points repeater Tano shrieking that poll results don’t count when he claims people don’t know enough about the subject — but then calling them ironclad when it is impossible for people to know about the subject.

    This is typical for Tano, though, who lies like his Barack Obama. Tano was caught lying about Sarah Palin, but as is typical for scum like himself, refuses to take responsibility or accountability. He is nothing but a pathetic paid criminal, a talking points repeater who is dodging taxes and who is receiving taxpayer money illegally.

    I would snapshot Tano’s posts, GP and GPW. In a year, when Congress can finally investigate how the criminal Obama Party is spending taxpayer dollars on propagandaizing for Obama, it will be simple to correlate the amount of time Tano has spent on the blog with the timecards he has submitted for his “contract” with the Department of Healht and Human Services. It should be interesting to see how the blabbering Tano explains that — or if he will willingly go to jail for defrauding the government to protect his precious Obama.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 20, 2009 @ 11:52 am - December 20, 2009

  31. Sorry to say – but a good plurality of the people, and a majority of those who have decided views, are supportive of Obamacare

    Another bald-faced Tano lie. According to CNN which polls ALL Americans (not voters, not likely voters, but even people who never vote…the ignorant group most likely to support Democrats)…

    61% of ALL Americans oppose Obamacare and ONLY a tiny minority of 36%, only the fascist base of the fascist Democrat party supports it.

    Comment by American Elephant — December 20, 2009 @ 4:22 pm - December 20, 2009

  32. AE, we should perhaps have Tano look at the numbers strongly opposed to Obamacare as compared to those strongly supportive thereof. Even those wouldn’t support the conclusions in his world of “facts” invented by the folks at Media Matters.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — December 20, 2009 @ 4:30 pm - December 20, 2009

  33. Fascinating poll AE.

    Lets look at some more questions.

    “Now thinking specifically about the health insurance plans available to most Americans, would you favor or oppose creating a public health insurance option administered by the federal government
    that would compete with plans offered by private health insurance companies?” yeah, the public option

    Favor – 53% Oppose 46%

    “Who do you trust more to handle major changes in the country’s health care system — the Democrats in Congress or the Republicans in Congress?”

    Dems – 43%, Reps – 40%

    But most fascinating of all – they asked the question last month about the HOUSE BILL – you know, they totally rad liberal bill with a public option and all that (and over 1 trillion dollars) –
    Favor -46% , Oppose 49% – within the margin of error.

    So once again – given all this, what do you really think is the significance of that 61% – how much of it is liberals expressing disappointment at how the bill does not go far enough?

    Comment by Tano — December 20, 2009 @ 5:35 pm - December 20, 2009

  34. Is that liberal thing? Gee, I thought it was a federalist point. Insurance has always been regulated at the state level, which is why the market is fragmented in that way. You want to federalize insurance regulation?

    Tardo, your ignorance never ceases to amuse!

    One thing federalists do NOT oppose is free and open markets. It is the fascist Democrats who have passed onerous mandates on both the insurance industry and individuals, requiring people to buy more coverage than they want or need, often just to line the pockets of their special interest groups, who have prohibited their constituents from buying policies out of state. As fascists always do, force people to do things their way, then put up walls to make sure they have no other choices.

    But I love that on one hand you are arguing that health insurance is a states rights issue, while simultaneously arguing that the federal government needs to reform the industry! That points out the unconstitutionality at the core of Obamacare!

    Just like you Obama refuses to allow people to buy Health insurance across state lines while simultaneously demanding that there is a federal issue and congress has the right to regulate the industry because of the inter-state commerce clause, even though they wont allow inter-state commerce.

    One of the many reasons this fascist power grab will be thrown out as unconstitutional if your fascist party passes it.

    So I ask you – what would be the popular support levels for doing away with health-care related entitlements?

    Oh I readily admit that once entitlements pass they are very hard to take away. But not impossible. And certainly not because they are popular. Its not that people LIKE social security, for example, its that they have been forced to pay into it all their lives and they want THEIR money back.

    But if you poll young people, who havent yet paid much into the bankrupt ponzi-scheme, they overwhelmingly want out. They want choice! They see that they can get a better return and enjoy a better retirement even if they just put the same amount of money in a basic savings account. And that they can enjoy far better retirement with diverse investment — EVEN when Democrats distort and destroy the markets by illegally guaranteeing bad bank loans .

    Whats more, every single country in Europe, as well as our Canadian neighbors, are bringing free market reforms to their bankrupt, socialist entitlement programs, because they cant afford them, care is rationed, slow, unavailable, and millions are dying who wouldn’t have had they been free.

    Comment by American Elephant — December 20, 2009 @ 5:51 pm - December 20, 2009

  35. But if you poll young people, who havent yet paid much into the bankrupt ponzi-scheme, they overwhelmingly want out. They want choice! They see that they can get a better return and enjoy a better retirement even if they just put the same amount of money in a basic savings account.

    Absolutely, and here’s why.

    The average monthly benefit for a person from Social Security for 2009 was $1,153 per month, or just under $14k per year. If you assume a person retires at age 65 and lives to be 75, they would collect approximately $140k in Social Security benefits, after having put away 6.25% of their income personally and their employer being taxed at 6.25% for the 43 years of their working life (age 22 to age 65).

    Now, had this person contributed 6.25% of their income per year, at an average lifetime income of $40k (well below the national median) and stashed it at a piddling 3% interest per year, compounded annually — roughly the rate at which a government bond pays — they would have, at age 65, $220k total. And that is WITHOUT their employer having to pay a cent — it’s just the taxes they’re already paying.

    How do you think people would receive that, child Tano? “Give the government 12.5% of your pay and get $140k, or keep it yourself and get $220k”? Not to mention the fact that immediately reducing business payroll expenses by 6.25% would trigger a hiring boom the likes of which has never been seen, which would mean that MORE people would have jobs.

    The problem with that, Tano, is that you have to work in order to get that money, versus living off welfare. You can’t do that. You are a welfare addict, and therefore you need the government to take care of you because you’re too lazy and shiftless. Therefore you and your Barack Obama, also a lazy and shiftless welfare addict, insist that everyone else should be forced to pay for you. The wastage in Social Security comes from exactly that — the fact that welfare addicts like yourself and your Barack Obama who don’t work get proportionately MORE benefits than those who do.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 20, 2009 @ 6:21 pm - December 20, 2009

  36. The percentages of liberals against Obamacare are there because they thought they were promised FREE HEALTH CARE. You know that those other people pay for.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — December 20, 2009 @ 8:43 pm - December 20, 2009

  37. The following article from Real Clear Politics
    describing the coming Obamcare nightmare for the liberal Democrats.
    Great reading for conservatives…..
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/12/19/the_health_care_bill_is_political_suicide_99590.html

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — December 20, 2009 @ 8:51 pm - December 20, 2009

  38. I oppose the health plan as currently proposed because it doesn’t go far enough. I could support it if it contained a real public option, although I would prefer a single-payer system – essentially Medicare for everyone. But I can accept the current proposals as better than nothing.

    As a self-employed person for the last fifteen years, I’ve had a direct view of the situation. And I’ve been more fortunate than many people by being able to access insurance via the Chamber of Commerce.

    I think the reason most people are opposed to major reform is not that they believe it won’t be good for the nation, but that they fear it will be good for nation, and then it would be more difficult to destroy Obama.

    Comment by Richard R. — December 21, 2009 @ 11:04 am - December 21, 2009

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